'''''Assassin's Creed: Mirage''''' is the thirteenth main installment in the [[Assassin's Creed (series)|''Assassin's Creed'' series]] developed by [[Ubisoft]]. In the game, players take control of a younger version of [[Basim Ibn Ishaq]], a central character from the 2020 video game ''[[Assassin's Creed: Valhalla]]'', and explore his life during the 9th century in the [[Abbasid Caliphate]]'s capital city of [[Baghdad]].<ref name="Ubisoft">{{Ubisoft|url=en-us/article/BvgGGDYNnLdApaOgCg5Yz/assassins-creed-mirage-takes-players-to-ninth-century-baghdad|text=Assassin's Creed Mirage Takes Players to Ninth Century Baghdad|archivedate=20220911035849|subdomain=news}}</ref>
==Plot synopsis==
== Unveiling Luxury: Villas for Sale in Sobha Reserve ==
''In the ninth century CE, Baghdad is at its height, leading the world in science, art, innovation, and commerce. Amid its bustling urban landscape, a conflicted young orphan with a tragic past must navigate the streets to survive.''
Dubai, a city renowned for its opulence and modernity, has long been a magnet for those seeking the epitome of luxury living. If you're in search of your dream home in this dazzling metropolis, the '''[https://www.leadroyal.ae/sobha-reserve/ villas for sale in Sobha Reserve]''' are sure to capture your attention. Nestled within the heart of Dubailand, Sobha Reserve is not just another residential development; it's a statement of grandeur, sophistication, and exclusivity.
''In'' Assassin's Creed® Mirage'', you are Basim, a cunning street [[thief]] with [[Djinn|nightmarish visions]], seeking answers and justice. After an act of deadly retribution, Basim flees Baghdad and joins an ancient organization—The Hidden Ones. As he learns their mysterious rituals and powerful tenets, he will hone his unique abilities, discover his [[Reborn Isu|true nature]], and come to understand a [[The Creed|new Creed]]—one that will change his fate in ways he never could have imagined.''<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://store.ubi.com/en-us/assassin-s-creed-mirage/62ea4f8e09372571f2736a71.html|title=Assassin's Creed Mirage|publisher=Ubisoft Store|accessdate=11 September 2022}}</ref>
Discovering Sobha Reserve: Where Luxury Meets Nature
==Gameplay==
Sobha Reserve is not your typical residential community. It's an oasis of tranquility within the bustling energy of Dubai. Sprawled across acres of lush greenery, this development is meticulously designed to offer residents a peaceful haven while still being within reach of the city's amenities and attractions. The villas in Sobha Reserve are, without a doubt, the crowning jewels of this prestigious project.
Set 20 years prior to the events in ''Valhalla'',<ref name="UbiFoward">{{Youtube|SS_khJE0mbQ|Assassin’s Creed: 2022 Showcase <nowiki>|</nowiki> #UbiForward|Ubisoft|Ubisoft}}</ref> players assume the role of Basim Ibn Ishaq with the gender choices, dialogue options, and relationship possibilities removed. After ''Valhalla'' had the [[raven]] [[Sýnin]] provide [[Eivor Varinsdottir]] with [[Eagle Vision]] despite being a corvid rather than an [[eagle]], ''Mirage'' returned to the method used in ''[[Assassin's Creed: Origins]]'' and ''[[Assassin's Creed: Odyssey]]'' by having the {{Wiki|Eastern imperial eagle}} (''Aquila heliaca'') [[Enkidu]] aid Basim.<ref name="GameInformer" />
The main location of the game is primarily be the city of Baghdad, with minor parts of the game also set at the [[Alamut]] [[fort]]ress,<ref name="IGN">{{cite web|url=https://www.ign.com/articles/assassins-creed-mirage-revealed-at-ubisoft-forward|title=Assassin's Creed Mirage Revealed at Ubisoft Forward||author=Purslow, Matt|publisher=''{{Wiki|IGN}}''|date=11 September 2022|accessdate=11 September 2022|archiveurl=https://archive.ph/rnZ8o| archivedate=11 September 2022}}</ref> but it will not be explorable.<ref name="Arabhardware">{{Cite web|url=https://arabhardware.net/articles/assassin-s-creed-mirage-lead-producer-interview|title=تفاصيل حصرية عن Assassin's Creed Mirage من مقابلتنا مع مدير الإنتاج!|author=أحمد الصايغ|publisher=''Arabhardware''|date=12 September 2022|accessdate=14 September 2022|archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20220912174314/https://arabhardware.net/articles/assassin-s-creed-mirage-lead-producer-interview|archivedate=12 September 2022|language=Arabic}}</ref> The Black Box missions from ''[[Assassin's Creed: Unity]]'' and the ''Valhalla'' [[Assassin's Creed: Valhalla downloadable content|downloadable]] expansion ''[[The Siege of Paris]]'' returned, with Basim being able to explore the environment and find different ways to approach and eliminate his targets.<ref name="IGN"/> Another returning feature was a notoriety system that either assisted or hindered Basim in his objectives.<ref name="GeekCulture">{{Cite web|url=https://geekculture.co/assassins-creed-mirage-interview-stephane-boudon-ubisoft-bordeaux/|title='Assassin's Creed Mirage' Goes Back To Basics With Stealth, Parkour & Assassinations Gameplay Pillars|archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20220910223306/https://geekculture.co/assassins-creed-mirage-interview-stephane-boudon-ubisoft-bordeaux/|archivedate=10 September 2022|author=Su, Jake|publisher=''GeekCulture''|date=11 September 2022|accessdate=14 September 2022}}</ref>
The villas in Sobha Reserve are more than just homes; they are architectural marvels. Each villa is a testament to the utmost attention to detail, combining classical and contemporary design elements seamlessly. With spacious interiors and thoughtful layouts, every villa is a canvas for you to paint your dreams upon.
Basim also has a variety of weapons and tools to use, including [[smoke screen bomb|smoke bombs]], the [[Hidden Blade]],<ref name="GameInformer" /> a [[blowpipe]] and [[dart]]s, mines, [[Throwing knife|throwing knives]], [[Cherry bomb|noise makers]], and more.<ref name="TrailerBreakdown">{{Youtube|video=dKox5i_T6XA|text=Assassin’s Creed Mirage: Developer Trailer Breakdown <nowiki>|</nowiki> #UbiForward|channel=Ubisoft|channelname=Ubisoft}}</ref> There will be no more leveling and XP system, only tool improvement. Basim will have to go to the [[Banū Mūsā brothers]] in order to upgrade his weapons and tools, such as the blowpipe or bombs.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.jeuxvideo.com/news/1631436/assassin-s-creed-mirage-retour-aux-sources-bagdad-basim-le-prochain-jeu-d-ubisoft-se-devoile.htm|title=Assassin’s Creed Mirage : retour aux sources, Bagdad, Basim... le prochain jeu d'Ubisoft se dévoile.|archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20220910203101/https://www.jeuxvideo.com/news/1631436/assassin-s-creed-mirage-retour-aux-sources-bagdad-basim-le-prochain-jeu-d-ubisoft-se-devoile.htm|archivedate=10 September 2022|author=Meakaya|publisher=''{{Wiki|Jeuxvideo.com}}''|date=10 September 2022|language=French}}</ref> A [[Skill Tree (Assassin's Creed: Mirage)|skill tree]] allows the player to choose different effects for each of his tools or weapons. A new combat mechanic, Assassin Focus, will look similar to the various enhanced abilities [[Kassandra]] had access to in ''Odyssey'' through the [[Spear of Leonidas]].<ref name="GeekCulture"/>
A Wealth of Amenities
Basim witnesses the prelude of the [[Zanj Rebellion]], where the people of Baghdad rose up against the Turk forces of the [[caliph]]ate.<ref name="Arabhardware"/> The density of [[civilian]] crowds echoes their appearance in ''[[Assassin's Creed: Unity]]'',<ref name="GameRantInfluences">{{Cite web|url=https://gamerant.com/assassins-creed-mirage-influences-gameplay-setting-interview/|title=Assassin's Creed Mirage Creative Director Talks Influences, Gameplay, Setting, and More|archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20220911220607/https://gamerant.com/assassins-creed-mirage-influences-gameplay-setting-interview/|archivedate=11 September 2022|author=Duckworth, Joshua|publisher=''GameRant''|date=11 September 2022|accessdate=14 September 2022}}</ref> and although Basim's movements were done on the same engine as ''Valhalla'',<ref name="Arabhardware"/> they were built from scratch, and he can move through crowds and traverse the city by [[freerunning]] in similar fashion to [[Arno Dorian]] in the [[French Revolution]].<ref name="GameRantInfluences"/>
Sobha Reserve isn't just about exquisite homes; it's a lifestyle choice. Residents here enjoy a plethora of world-class amenities. Whether it's a leisurely swim in the infinity pool, an invigorating workout in the state-of-the-art fitness center, or a relaxing stroll through the landscaped gardens, Sobha Reserve offers everything you need to live life to the fullest.
Unlike previous installments in the [[Assassin's Creed series|''Assassin's Creed'' series]], ''Mirage'' is be the first story to not be interrupted by a modern day plot element, except for a framing device that bookends the start and end of the game.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://gamerant.com/assassins-creed-mirage-no-modern-present-day-gameplay/|title=Assassin's Creed Mirage Doesn't Feature Playable Present Day Segments|author=Duckworth, Joshua|publisher=''GameRant''|date=10 September 2022|accessdate=11 September 2022|archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20220911121800/https://gamerant.com/assassins-creed-mirage-no-modern-present-day-gameplay/|archivedate=11 September 2022}}</ref> [[Contracts]] that mark targets for [[assassination]]<ref name="Arabhardware"/> and [[Hiding spot|hiding places]] return, alongside optional challenges. Enemy [[archer]]s can also shoot at Basim's eagle, canceling the Eagle Vision.<ref name="IGN"/>
Privacy and Security
==Development==
The villas in Sobha Reserve are designed to ensure the utmost privacy and security. With 24/7 surveillance and gated access, you can rest easy knowing that your loved ones and your possessions are safe and sound.
The game is designed to be smaller and more "intimate" than previous entries. According to Ubisoft, players were growing tired of the larger RPG games in the series.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.kotaku.com.au/2023/01/the-next-assassins-creed-is-smaller-because-past-games-got-way-too-big/|title=The Next Assassin’s Creed Is Smaller Because Past Games Got Way Too Big|author=Zwizen, Zack|date=13 January 2022|publisher=''Kotaku''|accessdate=20 January 2022}}</ref> The conceptual title of "''Assassin's Creed: Rift''" was first leaked on 9 February 2022 and reported by ''{{Wiki|Bloomberg L.P.|Bloomberg}}'';<ref name="Bloomberg">{{Cite web|url=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-09/ubisoft-plans-new-assassin-s-creed-game-to-help-fill-schedule|title=Ubisoft Plans New Assassin's Creed Game to Help Fill Its Schedule|author=Schreier, Jason|date=9 February 2022|publisher=''Bloomberg''|accessdate=9 February 2022}}</ref> another working title was "''Assassin's Creed: Dust''", as revealed in the path names for a series of concept art by [[Xavier Minguell Solanes]] for [[Digic Pictures]].<ref>{{ArtStation|8bl1WE|Assassin's Creed Mirage: Cinematic World Premiere|digicpictures|DIGIC Pictures}}</ref> Originally planned to be a DLC for ''Valhalla'', ''Rift'' was expanded into its own standalone game. ''Bloomberg'' also revealed that it would be be developed by Ubisoft Bordeaux and was planned for released in late 2022, but it was pushed back to the first quarter of 2023.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.nme.com/en_au/news/gaming-news/assassins-creed-rift-reportedly-delayed-3275558|title=‘Assassin’s Creed Rift’ reportedly delayed until 2023|author=Coleman, Jack|publisher=''{{Wiki|NME}}''|date=23 July 2022|accessdate=13 August 2022|archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20220729005417/https://www.nme.com/en_au/news/gaming-news/assassins-creed-rift-reportedly-delayed-3275558|archivedate=29 July 2022}}</ref>
On 1 September, after the official title "''Assassin's Creed: Mirage''" was leaked alongside art for a DLC called "''[[The Forty Thieves]]''" that promised to visit the infamous {{Wiki|Ali Baba and the Forty Thieves|criminals of legend}}, Ubisoft formally announced the game<ref name="VGC">{{Cite web| url=https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/assassins-creed-mirage-artwork-seemingly-leaks-revealing-forty-thieves-quest/| title=Ubisoft confirms Assassin’s Creed Mirage following art leak| first=Tom| last=Ivan| publisher=Video Games Chronicle| date=1 September 2022| accessdate=2 September 2022| archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20220902105942/https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/assassins-creed-mirage-artwork-seemingly-leaks-revealing-forty-thieves-quest/| archivedate=2 September 2022}}</ref> and promised that more details were to come at the Ubisoft Forward convention on 10 September.<ref name="Reveal Tweet">{{Twitter|assassinscreed|status/1565369047461642240|Assassin's Creed|quote=Assassin's Creed Mirage is the next Assassin's Creed game. We can't wait to tell you more on September 10 at Ubisoft Forward: 9PM CEST <nowiki>|</nowiki> 12PM PT. #AssassinsCreed [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FblO14_WAAAbGEP.jpg pic.twitter.com/92LoEcrrWs]}}</ref> [[Darby McDevitt]], Basim's creator, reportedly did not have any development role but acted as a character consultant.<ref name="GameInformer">{{Cite web|url=https://www.gameinformer.com/2022/09/10/assassins-creed-mirage-reveal-trailer-released-game-launching-in-2023|title=Assassin's Creed Mirage Reveal Trailer Released, Game Launching In 2023|author=LeBlanc, Wesley|date=10 September 2022|publisher=''{{Wiki|Game Informer}}''|accessdate=10 September 2022|archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20220911042135/https://www.gameinformer.com/2022/09/10/assassins-creed-mirage-reveal-trailer-released-game-launching-in-2023|archivedate=11 September 2022}}</ref>
A Green Retreat in the Heart of Dubai
On 3 December, it was reported that the game had been internally delayed a second time and it was slated for an August 2023 release instead of in the first quarter,<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.dexerto.com/assassins-creed/assassins-creed-mirage-reportedly-delayed-2001779/|title=Assassin's Creed Mirage reportedly delayed after dev issues|author=Reeves, Brianna|publisher=Dexerto|date=3 December 2022|accessdate=9 February 2023|archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20221204110746/https://www.dexerto.com/assassins-creed/assassins-creed-mirage-reportedly-delayed-2001779/|archivedate=4 December 2022}}</ref> though Amazon pre-order links contradicted it and listed December 2023 instead.<ref name="Gamerant">{{Cite web| url=https://gamerant.com/assassins-creed-mirage-adult-rating-gambling/| title=An AO Rating for Assassin's Creed Mirage Appears Online, But It's Not Likely to Stick|author=Duckworth, Joshua|publisher=''GameRant''|date=12 September 2022|accessdate=12 September 2022|archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20220912104203/https://gamerant.com/assassins-creed-mirage-adult-rating-gambling/| archivedate=12 September 2022}}</ref> A new gameplay trailer was revealed on 24 May 2023 and gave an official release date of 12 October,<ref>{{Youtube|video=G97lx7orMN8|text=Assassin's Creed Mirage: Gameplay Trailer|channel=@Ubisoft|channelname=Ubisoft}}</ref> later amended to the new date of 5 October.<ref>{{Twitter|assassinscreed|status/1691117533846482944|Assassin's Creed|quote=Assassin's Creed Mirage has gone gold and is coming out a week early! 📀
One of the standout features of Sobha Reserve is its dedication to green living. The lush landscapes, parks, and open spaces provide a refreshing contrast to the urban jungle of Dubai. If you're an admirer of nature, you'll find your haven here, as every villa overlooks the sprawling greenery, offering breathtaking views and a serene environment.
On behalf of the entire team, we can't wait for you to explore 9th Century Baghdad with Basim.
A Prime Location
Your journey now starts on October 5. Save the new date! #AssassinsCreed}}</ref>
Sobha Reserve's strategic location within Dubailand ensures that you're never too far from Dubai's key attractions. The vibrant downtown area, global business hubs, and world-class entertainment are all just a short drive away. This blend of accessibility and seclusion is what makes Sobha Reserve truly exceptional.
==Release==
Investing in Luxury
''Assassin's Creed: Mirage'' released on 5 October 2023 for {{Wiki|Amazon Luna}},<ref name="Gamerant"/> {{Wiki|Windows Microsoft}}, {{Wiki|PlayStation 4}}, {{Wiki|PlayStation 5}}, {{Wiki|Xbox One}}, and {{Wiki|Xbox Series X and Series S}}.<ref name="GameInformer"/> ''[[The Forty Thieves]]'', a downloadable quest was available as a pre-order bonus.<ref name="Mirage page">{{Ubisoft|url=en-us/game/assassins-creed/mirage|text=Assassin's Creed Mirage|archivedate=20230813124542}}</ref>
===Marketing===
Investing in a villa in Sobha Reserve isn't just a purchase; it's an investment in a lifestyle that exudes luxury. The property market in Dubai has always been robust, and Sobha Reserve is no exception. These villas are not just homes; they are assets that are destined to appreciate in value over time.
After a series of leaks, Ubisoft officially confirmed the existence of ''Assassin's Creed: Mirage'' on 1 September.<ref name="VGC" /><ref name="Reveal Tweet" /> On 10 September, ''Mirage'' was featured in the 2022 ''Assassin's Creed'' Ubisoft Forward showcase, alongside the debut of its cinematic trailer.<ref name="UbiFoward">{{Youtube|SS_khJE0mbQ|Assassin’s Creed: 2022 Showcase <nowiki>|</nowiki> #UbiForward|Ubisoft|Ubisoft}}</ref><ref>{{Youtube|x55lAlFtXmw|Assassin's Creed Mirage: Cinematic World Premiere <nowiki>|</nowiki> #UbiForward|Ubisoft|Ubisoft}}</ref> When the various editions of the game were announced, Ubisoft ran a promotion through Twitter for the ''Collector's Case'' that fans could vote on their favorite design for the exclusive steelbook.<ref>{{Twitter|assassinscreed|status/1570442390929920001|Assassin's Creed|quote=Vote for your favorite Steelbook by liking one of the replies of this tweet. The one with the most likes will be chosen for the Assassin's Creed Mirage Collector's Case! #AssassinsCreed [https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1570416039824867331/pu/vid/720x720/L4YJnRINMcDrQrjo.mp4 pic.twitter.com/Jui1J3qtIz]}}<br>{{Twitter|assassinscreed|status/1570442445615398913|Assassin's Creed|quote=Like this Tweet to vote for this SteelBook! #AssassinsCreed [https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1570416144560824322/pu/vid/720x720/Lc4NPP__9VjzsUPH.mp4 pic.twitter.com/fddHz8CUe1]}}<br>{{Twitter|assassinscreed|status/1570442500095246339|Assassin's Creed|quote=Like this Tweet to vote for this SteelBook! #AssassinsCreed [https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1570416227041828869/pu/vid/720x720/hlLf5b8Pbtc0bX_8.mp4 pic.twitter.com/3u6oOdaBF1]}}</ref> Out of two design choices, one was decided the most popular by the time voting closed on 23 September.<ref>{{Twitter|assassinscreed|status/1573024345458450432|Assassin's Creed|quote=Voting has now closed. Thank you for participating! #AssassinsCreed}}</ref>
===Rating===
Conclusion
On 12 September, it was reported on Gamerant that the Microsoft Store listing for ''Mirage'' had an Adults-Only (AO) ESRB rating, which, if valid, could only be explained by the game featuring real gambling. Gamerant speculated that it could also have been a mistake which stemmed from Ubisoft showing that one of their games had an AO rating at the start of their Ubisoft Forward event.<ref name="Gamerant"/> Ubisoft subsequently released a statement on the official ''Assassin's Creed'' Twitter account declaring that ''Mirage'' would not feature gambling or {{Wiki|Loot box|lootboxes}}.<ref>{{Twitter|assassinscreed|status/1569377802188734469|Assassin's Creed|quote=Following the announcement of Assassin's Creed Mirage, some store pages displayed the game for preorders with an Adults Only ESRB rating. While the game is still pending rating, we want to reassure players that no real gambling or lootboxes are present in the game.}}</ref>
==Editions==
Villas for sale in Sobha Reserve represent an opportunity to live the life you've always dreamed of in Dubai. These homes offer the perfect blend of luxury, tranquility, and convenience in one of the world's most dynamic cities. So, if you're in search of your dream home, one that redefines the meaning of luxury living, look no further than Sobha Reserve in Dubailand. Your dream home awaits, where luxury meets nature and the city's heartbeat is just a stone's throw away.<tabber>
Ubisoft announced several editions of ''Assassin's Creed: Mirage''.
Unveiling Luxury: Villas for Sale in Sobha Reserve
Dubai, a city renowned for its opulence and modernity, has long been a magnet for those seeking the epitome of luxury living. If you're in search of your dream home in this dazzling metropolis, the villas for sale in Sobha Reserve are sure to capture your attention. Nestled within the heart of Dubailand, Sobha Reserve is not just another residential development; it's a statement of grandeur, sophistication, and exclusivity.
Discovering Sobha Reserve: Where Luxury Meets Nature
Sobha Reserve is not your typical residential community. It's an oasis of tranquility within the bustling energy of Dubai. Sprawled across acres of lush greenery, this development is meticulously designed to offer residents a peaceful haven while still being within reach of the city's amenities and attractions. The villas in Sobha Reserve are, without a doubt, the crowning jewels of this prestigious project.
The villas in Sobha Reserve are more than just homes; they are architectural marvels. Each villa is a testament to the utmost attention to detail, combining classical and contemporary design elements seamlessly. With spacious interiors and thoughtful layouts, every villa is a canvas for you to paint your dreams upon.
A Wealth of Amenities
Sobha Reserve isn't just about exquisite homes; it's a lifestyle choice. Residents here enjoy a plethora of world-class amenities. Whether it's a leisurely swim in the infinity pool, an invigorating workout in the state-of-the-art fitness center, or a relaxing stroll through the landscaped gardens, Sobha Reserve offers everything you need to live life to the fullest.
Privacy and Security
The villas in Sobha Reserve are designed to ensure the utmost privacy and security. With 24/7 surveillance and gated access, you can rest easy knowing that your loved ones and your possessions are safe and sound.
A Green Retreat in the Heart of Dubai
One of the standout features of Sobha Reserve is its dedication to green living. The lush landscapes, parks, and open spaces provide a refreshing contrast to the urban jungle of Dubai. If you're an admirer of nature, you'll find your haven here, as every villa overlooks the sprawling greenery, offering breathtaking views and a serene environment.
A Prime Location
Sobha Reserve's strategic location within Dubailand ensures that you're never too far from Dubai's key attractions. The vibrant downtown area, global business hubs, and world-class entertainment are all just a short drive away. This blend of accessibility and seclusion is what makes Sobha Reserve truly exceptional.
Investing in Luxury
Investing in a villa in Sobha Reserve isn't just a purchase; it's an investment in a lifestyle that exudes luxury. The property market in Dubai has always been robust, and Sobha Reserve is no exception. These villas are not just homes; they are assets that are destined to appreciate in value over time.
Conclusion
Villas for sale in Sobha Reserve represent an opportunity to live the life you've always dreamed of in Dubai. These homes offer the perfect blend of luxury, tranquility, and convenience in one of the world's most dynamic cities. So, if you're in search of your dream home, one that redefines the meaning of luxury living, look no further than Sobha Reserve in Dubailand. Your dream home awaits, where luxury meets nature and the city's heartbeat is just a stone's throw away.
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