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Format[edit source]

Hey Lacrossedeamon, I want to thank you for your initiative in creating the article on Mirages, but there were several formatting errors in regards to that page:

  • Perspective
We take a lore-oriented approach here, and as a result, mainstream articles should be written as though you actually are living in the Assassin's Creed universe. This means that you should be writing from an in-universe perspective, rather than a gameplay one. A lot of the information on the page, while not explicitly referring to the game, were organized and listed out in such a specific way as to clearly suggest that it's coming from a gameplay point-of-view. For example "Known Mirages" implies that there is an audience that this list is using as a referential point—known to whom? Known to players. But from an in-universe perspective, players of the game doesn't exist. Instead, you should integrate that information into the article as just what mirages can manifest as without implying the observers of this are obviously players.
  • Tense
Because we write from an in-universe perspective, this means we treat people and things that existed historically in Assassin's Creed, such as Ezio Auditore, as having really existed historically. This is why we tend to write in the historical past tense. However, not everything from historical periods are long gone; some still exist in the present day in the Assassin's Creed world. Mirages is one of these things. Mirages, being a naturally occurring optical phenomenon, continue to exist in the present day and will continue to exist as long as this phenomenon can exist in the universe. As such, it was incorrect to write about mirages in the historical past tense rather than the present tense.
  • Introducing the subject of the article
As an extension of the first point, introducing the subject of the article from the very specific perspective of a main protagonist heavily implies that you're writing from a gameplay perspective. When you introduce subjects, the first line should always define exactly what it is. What exactly is a mirage? Refer to my correction as an example.

Anyways, I hope all our formatting standards don't come across as too overwhelming for you. You are not at fault because we have not had our layout guide and manual of style written out yet, and in fact, several other new editors such as yourself have been making similar errors. So don't worry. You are free to try to add back information to the page and even expand on it; just make sure to do your best to write from an in-universe perspective! Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 04:00, February 8, 2018 (UTC)

Hey thanks for the rundown. I’m usually not big on editing as all I have is an iPad which makes formatting a pain. I was just surprised that the page hadn't been created yet so I just hoped to get the ball rolling on this one in hopes a better Wikia editor might pick it up. I’m also curious on the validity of creating a page similar to the Hunt for the Nine or Liberation of Rome but about Bayek and Aya hunting the Snake. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 04:17, February 8, 2018 (UTC)
That would be entirely valid, even encouraged. Technically, we should have articles on every major event in the series. However, these articles are normally among the largest of projects, so you might want to warm-up with smaller articles first just to have a little more experience. You're not required to do so though. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 04:21, February 8, 2018 (UTC)

New message[edit source]

The Shroud[edit source]

Hello Lacrossedeamon.

I'm here to ask you again about the shroud. Once, you told me that Jesus' and Jason's weren't the same one. But it seems that Syndicate says otherwise and it confuses me. (A lot).

Let me explain myself by giving you some important points:

1- In Syndicate we know that Abstergo had one shroud before the one the Templars got from the Buckingham Palace, and that shroud was the original Consus created long before. (And it had his consciousness stored inside of it).

2- That shroud (the original) is known as the Golden Fleece, because Consus (in one of his conversations with Álvaro Gramática) mentions Jason as a person who he had contact with. And Consus' consciousness is stored ONLY in the original shroud. (Although a magazine says that Consus can/could communicate telepathically with some individuals).

3- This is not official, but I think that the Assassin Intel in Syndicate adds the stories from Project Legacy because that's explaining the journey that Shroud #1 (let's call the original that way hehe) took before being sold to Abstergo. (It was sold, was it?)

4- Renato mentions that the shroud had the image of a tortured man on it. (A reference to the shroud of Turin) This could confirm that the shroud of Turin is fake, since Shroud #1 was stolen by the assassins. It could be Brutus' body, but he wasn't tortured... right? Why would the responsible ones for the lore make such a reference? Was it suppose to be Jesus'?

5- The Essential Guide mentions Jesus' shroud as ONE of many, and also said that it's not the same one that Jason used before.

It confuses me so much. Can you explain to me once more why Jason's shroud is not the one Jesus wore?

Oh, and I read your fanfic about Jesus' story. We have some details in common hehehe.

Thanks in advance.

Cristophorus35 (talk) 06:49, March 9, 2018 (UTC)

First thanks for the read, it means a lot. I tried to keep it mostly canon compliant and just theorize stuuf but admit it did get little fanfic-y in places, especially the Chalices and MD portion. Ideally Ubi are working up to a life of Jesus story as some of the coincidences like Kawab and the Holy Lance/Devotion Prong seem to perfect, But I’m worried if it does come to fruition I’ve hyped myself up to much and it won’t be as good as my idea and then I’d be devastated.
But onto the Shrouds. So Ubi has introduced a possible 4 Shrouds: the Golden Fleece or #1, the Coat of Many Colors, Jesus's, and the Buckingham Palace. Now I theorize that those last three are actually the same with the Coat of Many Colors being based down the Tribe of Judah to Jesus and then taken to Britannia by some of his Disciples as told in a few of the Holy Grail myths. Now due to the Abstergo files in Syndicate we know that the Golden Fleece is the original Shroud with Consus in it and that through it he also came in contact with Jason, Giovanni Borgia, and William Robert Woodman (the last hasn't been explained how he came in contact with the Shroud though) but that Shroud was destroyed by the Assassins necessitating for the acquisition of the other Shroud in Syndicate. Consus is also shown to have a connection to Dorothy Osbourne from Uprising but we don’t know how as the Shroud should have still been in Europe. Additionally, Abstergo theorized that Jeanne d'Arc's Voices were from Consus (I've got my own theories on that though). Those two are probably what magazine was referring to.
The main confusion is due to the Shroud of Turin. It’s advertised as the same Shroud that Jesus had but Project Legacy tells us differently. It was stolen and replaced with a fake by Italian Assassin’s. When used to heal Giovanni Borgia, it give the boy a connection to both Consus and Brutus. This tells us that the Shroud of Turin was the original Shroud, ie the Golden Fleece, and the one used on and buried with Brutus. While it’s possible I find it highly unlikely that it made its way from Brutus's tomb to Judea in half a century in order to also be the same Shroud Jesus had. It’s described depicting the visage of a tortured man but that the man has changed throughout history, possibly to be the last person who used it, so the tortured man shown on the Shroud could be anyone and not specifically Jesus or Brutus. Now why the Templars marketed the Shroud of Turin as the same Shroud Jesus had is unknown. Either they were mistaken similar to the belief that the Chalice was an object rather than a person or they believed there was some benefit to be gained by the deception. We won’t known until it explained how d'Charney found it or it’s history from Brutus to that point. Hopefully we see it in the Origins comic.
Please let me know if you have more questions or if anything I said was unclear and I’ll try to explain myself better. Also I’d love to know what details we had in common.
V/R Lacrossedeamon (talk) 06:15, March 10, 2018 (UTC)


Sorry for the delay. I forgot there's no notification on the talk page haha.
So... it's basically a plot hole then, that's sad. It was well explained in Project Legacy, but now with Syndicate, it got confused. I tried to ask Mr. Aymar and M.r Yohalem about it... but no answers. Now, another thing that disturbes me, it's the color of the Shroud. According to the glyphs, Jesus' was red. Why do I say this? Some glyphs shows us the real aspect of some POEs, like the staff and the sword. First, I thought that all the historical characters (that were the answer to solve the puzzle) had the same POE, but know I see that those had that kind of POE, but NOT the same one. Example: Saint Peter and Alexander had a staff, but it wasn't the same one, and the staff we saw in the glyph was the papal one. You follow me? Same happened with the sword and, I theorize, the same happened with the shrouds. Jason's wasn't Joseph's and the glyphs show us a red shroud. Curiously, it shows us that when we are seeing an image of Jesus crucified. If this is true, then Joseph's wasn't the one Jesus wore. In my headcanon, Joseph's, David's and Jesus' was the same one. (I thought as much because, according to the Bible, Joseph and David were Jesus' ancestors. Please, correct me if I'm wrong). But now, I don't know anymore. It bothers me because, as a believer, it hypes me seeing the history of my beliefs being adapted to my favorite franchise, but this lack of attention really pisses me off.
And don't worry about your idea. If it doesn't make it, you can always write a good fanfiction. (As I'm doing these days... well... not the writing part haha. It still a work in progress... a very... very slow progress). And of course, we can chat about the things we have in common about it. I fact, I tried to search your username in the ACWiki discord server, to make you this very question, but it seems you are not there. If you have an alternative when we can chat (aside from this, because talking on the talk page it's... uncomfortable for me hehe), but don't feel forced to share it if you dont want to.
It was fun reading your adaptation about Jesus' life. I really, really, like it. :D
Cristophorus35 (talk) 07:36, March 12, 2018 (UTC)
I wouldn’t say it’s a plot hole. First off I disregard how the Shrouds have been depicted as artistic license. We don’t yet know enough about them to say how static they are in their physical attributes. I still do believe Joseph's Shroud is both David’s and Jesus's. And your are sorta right about them being related, David is actually descended from Judah, one of Joseph’s older brothers, which makes sense as they stole the Shroud from him and sold him to Egyptians as a slave. Now, Mary’s husband, St. Joseph, is descended from David; some say Mary is as well but others say she’s from the Tribe of Levi, not Judah. So technically Jesus isn’t officially descended from David. Incidentally, I think the Papal Staff was the one in the possession of John the Baptist before St. Peter got it. And since John the Baptist is from the Tribe of Levi, I think that Staff was also Moses's as he is also from the Tribe of Levi.
Now in regards to Jesus's Shroud not being the Shroud of Turin, I don’t think that’s a plot hole either. Ubi likes to subvert some commonly held beliefs, like Juno being married to Aita instead of Jupiter or Hephaestus being older than her. So if I was in charge here’s how I’d explain it. The Shroud of Turin surfaces in the 1300s a few decades after the disbanding of the Knights Templar in the hands of a man allegedly the newphew of one of the Templars executed during the disbandment. Bonus points for having it be the Templar we saw in the beginning of Unity. So the Order has lost its clout with the Church at this time. What better way to regain it than to claim that the mystical artifact in your possession was previously owned by Jesus. This backfired obviously as it advertised the owner of the Shroud and the Assassins stole it back (no clue how they lost it in the first place though).
I definitely think we should get another story from the Templar point of view dealing with the fallout of the public disbandment of the Order. The Sinclair Expedition could tie in to it as well.
Lacrossedeamon (talk) 10:35, March 13, 2018 (UTC)


I see now. Thank you very much.Cristophorus35 (talk) 04:25, March 18, 2018 (UTC)

Titling images[edit source]

Hey Lacross, when you title images you upload, remember to give them a title reflective of what they are, not a random series of numbers and letters. Since you're only using them for your own reference, I think I will be lax and not delete them which would force you to reupload them all over again, but yeah, just make sure that you give them proper titles for future reference. :P Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 23:30, July 20, 2018 (UTC)

Possibly deleted blogs by accident[edit source]

Hey Lacross, I deleted two spammy comments left by a user on your two blogs: " Juno, Aita, the Sages, the Grey, and how it fits with te Osiris Myth" and "Screenshots and Transcripts from AC: Rebellion Screenshots", but for some reason the deletion log has it recorded that the two blogs have been entirely deleted, and they are red-linked for me. In spite of this, I can still access both blogs just fine. Can you double-check that the blogs still exist? I'm not sure if my ability to access it might just be because I am an administrator or what went wrong. I am absolutely sure I only deleted the comments, and the blogs should not have been removed, and I apologize if any error of the like has occured. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 04:38, August 4, 2018 (UTC)

Looks good on my end, thanks for notifying and checking. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 05:23, August 4, 2018 (UTC)

Soldiers category[edit source]

Sorry for my reverting. I only reverted the individuals who were alreaady categorized as French Army, or British army etc. I subcategorized this categorized as soldiers. I found it repetitive to say they are soldiers and members of an army.Francesco75 (talk) 09:25, September 30, 2018 (UTC)

RE:'S on singular words[edit source]

The main reason why I had to change your edit is because we already have an established policy regarding it in the Manual of Style. I am well aware that Canadian standard, based in the Canadian Press Stylebook, tends to follow the only partially standardized American practice of always dropping the extra 's' no matter what. I am also aware that we normally prefer to conform with the spelling used in the game, but in this case, it is more about a formatting style not rendering a name faithfully. I am not sure if Assassin's Creed is consistent about this all throughout anyways.

Do you pronounce the possessive of Hades as /ˈheɪdiːz/ or /ˈheɪdiːzəs/? Two syllables or three? The pronunciation guideline isn't perfect, and in some names, it can vary depending on the editor. In such a scenario, normally, editors should respect whichever choice was made for the name in the article first. However, with certain names, especially Greek ones ending in /iːz/ like Socrates, it is virtually universal that the possessive should be pronounced with only two syllables which is why names with this ending tends to never be in dispute about excluding an extra 's'.

I really hope that this minor matter doesn't actually bother you much because admittedly your opening sentence in this message does come across a bit randomly abrupt. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 16:53, November 8, 2018 (UTC)

If you do apparently pronounce it in three syllables, then your position isn't invalid. (What is invalid is when people pronounce it in two syllables but insist on adding the extra 's' which properly is meant to add an extra syllable to the pronunciation). Anyway, can you elaborate more on why this bothers you? Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 23:12, November 8, 2018 (UTC)

"Animus simulated maps"[edit source]

Lacrosse, I really appreciate your effort to modify our content in accordance with our in-universe policy, but to describe those game maps as "Animus-simulated maps" is to try to force them to be in-universe renditions when they simply aren't. Every map in the games are only models of how they really appeared canonically. They are drastically scaled down beyond realism as in any other game. There are severe ramifications to the in-game lore if these places as they appeared in the game are truly how they appeared canonically. This would mean that canonically, the distance between Alexandria and Memphis is less than an hour by horse when in reality, it would take days or even weeks. This would also mean that canonically, the distance between Acre, Damascus, and Jerusalem is only a 10 minute trip.

Can you imagine what ramifications this would have on historical events if the distances between such places were really so short? Entire battles and the logistics for battles would have been entirely different. It would also imply that the entire planet is impossibly small.

The problem with even designating these maps Animus simulations is that reliving an ancestor's memories means exploring the world that they lived. If their world truly were this scaled down, the experience could not authentically be called reliving their lives. It does not make sense for an Animus user reliving their ancestor's memories to suddenly find entire buildings displaced from where they were historically.

Because of this, these maps are definitively OOU, and to describe them in such a way as to imply that they're IU is to only exacerbate any problems arising from this. Since our galleries include concept art, the section isn't actually IU-exclusive in the first place, but I understand the mix of IU and OOU images in the section makes it disorganized, and we perhaps we should devise a solution to clarify which is OOU which is IU. Otherwise, if we have a committed section for maps like we currently do at Damascus, then perhaps we need a new template which clarifies that the section is OOU. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 06:03, November 15, 2018 (UTC)

Alright I'll go undo those. I thought the scale down and distortion due to the fact the character might not have actual visited certain parts of an area or the character might not have developed an impressionable memory of the place so the instead of having missing gaps in the map it distorts it to fill all spaces and the distance is cut down for the same reason the days are and why we never seem to eat, sleep, or use the restroom: the animus hasn't simulated these as the memory isn't important (how it would know, not sure). But I guess this is just my head canon for it. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 06:15, November 15, 2018 (UTC)

Followers of Romulus[edit source]

My bad. Just read 'followers' as in 'people who were members of the cult' and not 'all things related to Followers of Romulus'. Don't you just love brain farts? :D Sadelyrate (siniath) 17:05, March 4, 2019 (UTC)

No problem. We are moving towards 'members of _____' for the actual individuals while the organization category is now broader mainly to include locations but also other concepts or items. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 17:08, March 4, 2019 (UTC)
Figured as much. Thanks for ascertaining that. :) Sadelyrate (siniath) 17:13, March 4, 2019 (UTC)

Pausanias in the novel[edit source]

Does the novel confirm Pausanias' year of death, and his pseudonym 'Red-Eyed Lion'? Sadelyrate (siniath) 10:07, March 8, 2019 (UTC)

Referring to Kassandra as a Spartan[edit source]

You know what I've just realized after reviewing this dialogue? I wonder if it's actually not ideal for us to always refer to Kassandra as a Spartan mercenary. She corrects Drucilla that she is Kephallonian not Spartan, and although it's not incorrect to call Kassandra Spartan when that demonym refers to her origin, it may invite confusion that her allegiances is still to Sparta during the Peloponnesian War. In other words, the meaning of calling Kassandra Spartan is ambiguous, and it might be a bit odd whenever talking about her aiding the Athenians if there are any articles describing her as doing such. From what I've read on reddit, she mostly helps the Spartans in the war, but her loyalties are still fluid. What do you think? I will ask the others for their opinion as well. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 14:58, April 16, 2019 (UTC)

Hello Lacrosse, I'm not sure how involved you have been with equipment pages recently, but I've created a guide detailing some of the common issues I've been encountering with them lately. Please take a look at it when you have the chance! Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 20:32, April 29, 2019 (UTC)

Re: OotA clues[edit source]

Seriously, thanks for that stockpile, saved me several days of work. Although I'll want to check with XOdeyssusx first, since it is coming out of his sandbox. RShepard227 (talk) 07:18, September 15, 2019 (UTC)

Real life makhiars were not shaped like that, they had more curved edges. The hilt and blade look more like khybers so we should keep it in.

RE: Possessives[edit source]

Hello Lacrosss,

Thank you for informing me about the rules of using possessive nouns for the wiki! I'll fix the edits I made when I can, unless someone else does before me. TheAstuteMaverick (talk) 10:32, October 26, 2019 (UTC)

Let's see if you find out[edit source]

You know the media is connected to Ubisoft, and where do you think they get the news? Blade5435 (talk) 20:48, October 26, 2019 (UTC)

still not a valid citation; also you know you are going to get blocked again, right? Lacrossedeamon (talk) 00:27, October 28, 2019 (UTC)

re: A favor[edit source]

OK, I can help. And yes, the terminology was a little different in this game, only Commander as Officer, Crossbowman as Marksman, Wolfman as Wolf and Papal Guard as Champion. --UJ112013 (talk) 07:49, April 24, 2020 (UTC)

Unity Archetypes[edit source]

Hi Lacrossedeamon,
I happened to see your list of enemy archetypes when scrolling the Recent Activity feed. Great work! I notice you're missing the ones for Arno and Shao Jun's Helix sessions. I have the Unity guidebook on hand, and while it doesn't have all the enemies, ex. the raiders in Dead Kings, I thought it'd be a start. They're listed as follows:

  • "Soldier" (generic)
  • Brute
  • Watcher/"Marksman"
  • Defender (a weaker Brute?)
  • Seeker (Extremists)/Officer (Guards)

All AC China guards are in our Database page in the order listed. – Darman (talk) 12:20, April 24, 2020 (UTC)

Awesome thanks. I’ll add them when in a bit when I’ve got the time. Would you happen to know all the combatant factions for Unity and whether their archetypes are the same? I’m trying to break it up so all factions are represented so if an archetype is carried across certain factions it’s variants are all accounted for. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 13:50, April 24, 2020 (UTC)

For the extremist:

  • The soldiers (sword and pistols)
  • The enforcers (sword and pistol but more powerful)
  • The brutes (as always armed with axes and pistols),
  • The defenders (like the seeker, armed with pikes and pistol, didn't move from their post if you tried to lure them)
  • The elites (agile swordsman armed with a pistol and using stun bombs)

For the National Guards:

  • The soldiers
  • Swiss Guards (act as the elite but without stun bombs)

The two factions have watchers (riflemen). You have also the vigilantes who help Arno who acted like soldiers. For the raider you have common raider (soldiers) and leader (brute you can killed to frightened other raiders)Francesco75 (talk) 16:11, April 24, 2020 (UTC)

Okay it looks like we have a little bit of contradiction here and I don’t have a source to check. If y’all want y’all can start adding what y’all know deconflicting as need be. We can also use Unity as our test run for adding tile pictures of the archetypes similar to what we have on the grandmaster page if you have them. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 18:40, April 24, 2020 (UTC)
I Use the name from the extremist page, but the label names use by Darman are correct when I search on the internet. But they don't mention the enforcers and the Officers have the Swiss guards~' database entry in the game.Francesco75 (talk) 19:45, April 24, 2020 (UTC)

Proto-Assassins & Proto-Templars[edit source]

Hey, I just opened up a discussion on our usage of the terms "proto-Assassin" and "proto-Templar". It's a long read, but I think is very important for us to clear this up because our wiki has been rather inconsistent about it, and we could cause some serious problems with it down the line. If you had the time, could you offer your input on it? Thanks. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 00:50, May 4, 2020 (UTC)

Merge Proposals[edit source]

Hey, Lacrosse! I put this on discord too, but just in case you missed it I'll comment here too. I just opened up a discussion on our open merge proposals. It's quite long, but if we discuss it we can close them (especially because there are some from 2014 still unsolved :o)

If you have the time, could you offer some input? Thank you a lot. - Soranin (talk) 22:27, May 21, 2020 (UTC)

Edits in Spanish[edit source]

Yes, I noticed it because he has been translating articles on this wiki with Google (which is obviously not a fantastic translator) and pasting them on the other one. I have tried to contact him since his articles are a bit of a mess because of the translator thing (some of his articles just lead back to this wiki and not to other articles in ours). If I receive a response, I'll make sure to tell him about this, although I'm just a regular user and I have no power over him. Sorry for the inconveniences! The MFDZ (talk) 02:10, May 25, 2020 (UTC)

No worries, I only pinged you because you were active at the time. If the issue continues I’ll escalate it up to El Fantasma so he can try to handle things on his end before we issue any punitive measure on ours. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 02:15, May 25, 2020 (UTC)

Thank's for the pic correction on Diary of Eurypheus Wikia. If you have more suggestions, please let me know, it's my first wikia and I'm still learing all the features of this website.

Joanpm1215 (talk) 17:44, June 4, 2020 (UTC) Joan P.

Animus Archetypes[edit source]

You have done good work with your sandbox, but some mistakes: British military, not British navy. Also I want you to find some images. The best sanbox I seen.unsigned comment by NON-STOPPING GAMER2009 (talk · contr)

Status on Soldiers & Archetype pages?[edit source]

My progress on the "Soldier" page has really stalled because I have been quite unsure of how to rewrite the sections on each militaries' units, but after I was reminded that there is a unit in Chronicles: China called Grabber, I realized that you were right that I can't go around the article describing each of the units that appears in Animus sessions like they are actual units in the military. I think you're also completely right that I should only cover the units which are actually historical.

With that in mind, it is probably best that I shorten the sections covering each militaries' units. For the Animus archetypes page, I'm also less averse to it being IU now since Chronicles enemy types do have database entries, but it still depends on how it is written.

We should eventually have headers for both articles directing readers to the other also. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 18:34, June 19, 2020 (UTC)

I just took the initiative to rewrite the lead in your draft for "Animus archetype" to see if it helps. It was kind of awkward to open with defining archetype; the page isn't about archetypes in general but Animus archetypes, and the definition provided was too vague or incomplete.

Apart from that, we've talked before how "generate" can imply that the Animus automatically or even sentiently creates these archetypes itself, making it sound more like an active agent. I recognize that it was also too far in the other direction for me to have instead attributed the archetypes to the Animi makers like Abstergo or Rebecca though. So, I changed the wording to described within the Animus. I think describe is the perfect term since it only notes that these archetypes are, well, described in the Animus, without implying or attributing the descriptions to anyone or anything. It is a simple, indisputable fact. So I hope that works.

My rewrite was really simple, and it's just to give another idea. You can continue to try to modify it or tweak it if you think there's a better way of wording it. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 18:50, June 19, 2020 (UTC)

Oh! Forgot to add that we could also invert the new lead I wrote since conventionally leads begin with the subject, but I considered we could make an exception here since the inverted sentence probably sounds more awkward. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 19:08, June 19, 2020 (UTC)

Glad to get input from you on this. Yeah my lede was unorthodox. I still think archetype by itself should get defined as it might be an unfamiliar word and we do have Animus archetypes that are more conceptual than just physical in the final LD novel. But I fully recognize you are more eloquent than myself so defer to you on this matter. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 19:55, June 19, 2020 (UTC)
Also yeah the chronicles' database really gives us some wiggle room on what can be considered IU speak but I still don’t want to go to overboard. I’d have to review but I think how the guides describe the different types might be a good base to start from. Some guides are probably better with their perspective than others though. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 20:00, June 19, 2020 (UTC)

Sanboxing[edit source]

Hey, Lacrossedeamon! I want to know how to make a sandbox? You've done good work at your own, so that is why I ask you? GodGamer GodConsole 13:48, June 20, 2020 (UTC)

Go to make new article and then for the title put User:[Your name]/[article title] just without the brackets. Also I saw your edit on the EIC page. My page was made specifically for that sort of content since it doesn’t quite belong on organization/faction pages with how our formatting is. It’s kinda of the additions I’d hope you’d make when I pointed you towards the sandbox. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 13:53, June 20, 2020 (UTC)

Animus Archetypes[edit source]

Your sandbox will become a real article soon by me. But think. You write:

Sikh forces[edit source]

Sikh Guard

Sikh Rifleman

Sikh Elite Guard

Master (pretty sure he goes here)

I bolded it to show you that in real articles it should not exist. We need to find a fact. Lets make the Armored Knight to Spanish Army and Master to Sikh forces. Ok? You have done very good work with other archetypes. Please leave me a talkpage message and don't reply me at yours. GodGamer GodConsole 14:42, June 24, 2020 (UTC)

Article creation reply[edit source]

I just write because I cannot move page without living a redirect. Privateers are not confused with the Animi Avatar Privateer. So, I cannot write it in singular because of the Animi Avatar pages. There is Governor Animi Avatar page and the Governors occupation page. I cannot create articles with singular when in Animi Avatar pages with the same name. Example: Lieutenant rank page is not to be confused with Lieutenant Animi Avatar page. This is the problem. Also, the Armored Knight surely goes to Spanish or Inquisition because in Templar forces is the Templar Knight. Master is unknown, probably EIC. GodGamer GodConsole 18:36, June 28, 2020 (UTC)


I must have the ability to move articles without redirecting the previous name for not disregarding the MOS. GodGamer GodConsole 19:07, June 28, 2020 (UTC)

I will be very busy. Can you give me this ability? I don't want to be against the MOS, ok? I don't want! GodGamer GodConsole 19:21, June 28, 2020 (UTC)

Unavailable[edit source]

I cannot right now. Please can you do it? GodGamer GodConsole 19:39, June 28, 2020 (UTC)

Redirects[edit source]

I saw your talk with Non-Stopping Gamer about moving pages, and I'm a bit confused what you mean by checking the box apparently marked "move without redirect". Whenever I've tried a page Move, it turns always into a Rename that leaves a redirect. The only tick-box I've seen is "Follow this page", with maybe a "Rename associated talk page" box if there's discussion. How is it Non-Stopping Gamer has this ability and I don't, though I've been here for much longer than they have? – Darman (talk) 02:10, June 29, 2020 (UTC)

I have two check boxes, "follow this page" and "leave redirect". I assumed they were available to all editors but maybe it's a permissions only thing. In that case, oops! I lied to the other guy. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 04:22, June 29, 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, I think it is a permissions thing; when I've seen pages moved without/over redirects, it was always done by Staff users. Thanks for clearing up, though. Darman (talk) 13:40, June 29, 2020 (UTC)


You lied to me? Or to someone else? GodGamer GodConsole 15:28, October 5, 2020 (UTC)

I didn't realize it was not an option to other editors. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 15:45, October 5, 2020 (UTC)

Success[edit source]

I found time, and made all the job alone. GodGamer GodConsole 04:25, June 29, 2020 (UTC)

Occupation vs Animus Avatar[edit source]

I read the MOS section about it, as I was going to rename page Assassin's Creed to Assassin's Creed (video game). But where the MOS say that Mond-controlloed humans should be deleted? That's other thing. It is more good than Privateer (occupation) to Privateer. I am going to make other articles about military ranks, but there are Animi Avatars with the same names. I will notify basic admins, including you. GodGamer GodConsole 09:23, June 29, 2020 (UTC)

Shaded=Tartaros prisoners[edit source]

The Shaded souls were the Tartaros prisoners who were trying to escape Underworld, especially Tartaros to go back to the world of the living. It was mentioned by Hades in the start of the new episode. Maybe you bypass the cutscenes like other gamers? GodGamer GodConsole 14:37, July 1, 2020 (UTC)

It's time[edit source]

The Animus Archetypes page will be created. The Master will go to East India Company and the Armored Knight is surely refers to Spanish Knight. It will guide the gamers well. Please accept it. Master surely goes to EIC because he is seen serving them. GodGamer GodConsole 15:25, July 1, 2020 (UTC)

Sorry to butt in, Lacrosse, but Non-Stopping Gamer, we don't know if Lacrosse was finished the draft page. Enemy archetypes can't just be listed on a page bullet-form, and there's a reason why so many text boxes had filler text to amend later. Don't presume to know when a user's personal project is complete, or go publish it for them without confirmation/denial of permission. – Darman (talk) 19:30, July 1, 2020 (UTC)

Sorry for publishing your page, but I couldn't wait for a response. I may did something bad. If yes, I didn't want it. GodGamer GodConsole 18:04, July 2, 2020 (UTC)

Persian Warrior Breastplate[edit source]

Look, I see you are more specific, and I have no problem with this. But this is a torso, not a set. The armor is the set, not only a part of it.unsigned comment by NON-STOPPING GAMER2009 (talk · contr)

No armor can be used to describe a singular piece of a set. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 15:44, October 5, 2020 (UTC)

State vs capital[edit source]

You think just the capital is a faction, but I'm sorry you are wrong. The Naxian city is the capital. The island is the state, not only a region. You may think that Potidaia and Amphipolis (example) may be their own nations but in-univerese they are one. The only location is the city. The state is the island. GodGamer GodConsole 14:53, October 15, 2020 (UTC)

We aren’t treating Naxos as just a capital but all land under it’s influence as befitting a polis. You on the other hand are wrong to conflate a geographical feature with the state controlling it even if they line up one to one at times. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 14:59, October 15, 2020 (UTC)

Hoplite Helmet[edit source]

I want to change the primary image of the Hoplite Helmet with the image I recently added, The Hoplite Helmet2. This is more common than the full blue. Isn't it more fair? GodGamer GodConsole 18:04, October 17, 2020 (UTC)

I don’t do much with image files but I suggest adding it to a gallery section and make sure all the info is source properly. I’ll have another editor look over it later. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 21:59, October 17, 2020 (UTC)


Who's that guy? GodGamer GodConsole 10:50, October 18, 2020 (UTC)

Don't worry about that; just put the image up in a gallery section and we will fix it if necessary. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 10:52, October 18, 2020 (UTC)


I found the variant of the Politician's Helmet as the Hoplite Helmet, and I think we should add the ACOD Hoplite Helmet3. Just I wanted to put the full-blue variant first. Or the third, the colourful variant. GodGamer GodConsole 11:10, October 18, 2020 (UTC)

Then add it to that gallery on that page. I think the full blue variant should be the main image but all others can go in the gallery section. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 11:52, October 18, 2020 (UTC)

Image licenses[edit source]

Hi Lacrosse,
I have a few AC comics on hand and want to add some images from them, but I'm confused which license to use because of their inconsistent application. The image policy says "Any [comics] images...have {{Fairuse}} permission attached", even though that categorizes them as "Files with unknown copyright status". But scrolling through comics images, I see {{Screenshots}}, {{CC-BY-SA}}, and {{Cc-by-sa-3.0}}. What license do I use? – Darman (talk) 17:45, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Thought I'd bump this in case you haven't seen it. – Darman (talk) 15:55, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
Hey, Darman! Thought I'd butt in a bit. So, the thing about comic images is a mess FANDOM-wide. For example, the Batman wiki doesn't have any licensing for its images, while DC comics wiki and the Marvel wiki use "Fair Use" for all of them.
The categorizing it as "Files with unknown copyright status" I think is a coding error, cause that should be for {{No license}}. I'll take a look at it. OOPs, forgot to sign. - Soranin (talk) 17:37, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
Oh, it absolutely was a mistake! It had the wrong category coded in. If you look at the individual files they already have the correct category now but the category page is still without any, but that should fix itself with time. - Soranin (talk) 17:54, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing the categorization. If I understand licenses right, a plain comic panel with no text would have {{Fairuse}}, but if we edit by cropping to focus on a person/thing, and/or we scrub the speech bubbles, that'd be {{CC-BY-SA}}? But why not have them as CC-BY-SA too, since (almost) all concept art on here is unchanged from the artist's original work, even though it probably would be copyrighted? – Darman (talk) 21:05, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
The cropping I believe so, I don't know about the text scrubbing one though, gotta admit. But if it's a panel with background, I'd probably err on the safe side and go for {{Fairuse}}. I don't know about copyright status of concept art though. - Soranin (talk) 21:49, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

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Floating talks[edit source]

Why is the combat dialogue between Cordelia and Eivor put in Floating conversations when it's already written in the page for the memory "[Cordelia (memory)|Cordelia]"? It's no different than, say, the lines between Haytham and Connor in "Lee's Last Stand", right? Or is there indeed something special? – Darman (talk) 17:50, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Personally I think we are premature in categorizing such activities as full memories. The shift from DNA progression logs of Syndicate to the Quest log of Origins changed a lot of things that I don't think we've ever really discussed as an editing community. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 03:57, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
Oops, I thought I'd replied. Thanks for the reminder. OK, I see where you're coming from. Yeah, that's a bit of a mess, to put it lightly. It's one of my few grievances with AC going more RPG-style, that we can't replay actual memory sequences. – Darman (talk) 19:55, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Finalizing the bio for Lif.[edit source]

Lacrossedeamon,

I was under the impression that Galinn being named the traitor WAS the canonical ending, since in no other scenario does Birna survive to join the Raven Clan (which is canonical, if I am not mistaken). With your permission, I'd like to roll back the most recent edit to the page in order to reflect this. If you agree that it should be rolled back, let me know how you want me to alter the infobox's format in order to better reflect only the canonical events. Thanks. unsigned comment by Alpine5000 (talk · contr) 17:50, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Re: "Lif"[edit source]

Lacrossedeamon,

Thanks for the clarification. I'll be sure to set up those sandbox pages when I get the chance. unsigned comment by Alpine5000 (talk · contr) 06:50, 1 January 2021‎

Thank You[edit source]

To Lacrossedeamon,

Thank you for the welcome. For the trivia, I just noticed the similarity between games and saw to point it out. It was always a good way to link past characters to current ones. However, I understand completely from your explanations. Also, in terms of the audio chat, my audio kind of been lagging so that's an issue. But I truly am grateful for your constructive criticism and warm salutations. Thank you for being open for any help or concern and I will contact if I have any questions. unsigned comment by Batfan13 (talk · contr) 08:57, 16 February 2021

ACS Datamine Files[edit source]

Hello! I'm sorry to bother you out the blue like this, but I've been mustering the courage to speak with for some time now. ^_^; I saw your latest edits on the Secrets of London's article and Michel Regue's article about some of the recent game files you datamined. First, I want to say a big thanks, as someone who is a huge of ACS. I've gotten into the game a couple of months ago and I've been rather desperately scouring for hidden/datamined files of the game. I've observed that you are a dataminer on the wiki for a while now, but I've been kinda nervous to approach to ask a question. So, um, here it is: As I said before, I've been scouring the Internet for a couple of months to find datamine files (text AND audio files) from "Syndicate", but I haven't had much luck with that since there aren't a lot of dataminers in the fandom, it seems. I was able to find some datamine files on the All Sounds of Assassin's Creed Tumblr blog, but they've been inactive for a long time. I was able to find a Reddit user who did some datamining for Jack the Ripper's audio files a while back ago, but aside from that, I haven't had much luck with finding anything else. Since you're a dataminer for the AC Wiki, my question is, do you have any sort of Google Drive or whatever where you catalogue all of the datamined text and audio files for ACS that you might be willing to share?--NinjaSheik 23:00, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

WP icon[edit source]

Hey Lacrosse
On my talk page, you said you wanted the WP template to be on the same line as the era icons, but whenever I've seen it done, eg. on Gozlin's page, the new Fandom desktop display still has it align left and underneath them instead. – Darman (talk) 17:50, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Butting in without being invited to say that's cause the code still hasn't been merged with the wiki css, we're waiting on Sol to do so, since DarkFeather is still on sabbatical. But I guarantee it works! - Soranin (talk) 17:59, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
This. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 19:26, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Lacrossedeamon

I was under the impression that weapon stats provided before were of stats that were not Base Level 1 Eivor at max level 10 for each weapon. If they were, however, I accept full responsibility and will undo my undo's. Batfan13 (talk) 18:25, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

RE: Oh okay, so all weapons follow this format. Gotcha. I asked awhile back about stats about Thorgest's Shield. I thought it was needed for all tiers. Thank you for letting me know. Batfan13 (talk) 19:15, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Kassandra's, Alexios' and Myrrine's age[edit source]

Hi, Lacrossedeamon! Just wanted to ask if you have any updates on this topic, in what concers the permission to alter the articles.TiagoFF (talk) 23:44, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Medal Reset?[edit source]

Hello,

I asked other people recently about a small issue awhile back. I refreshed my profile once due to a low connection a few days back and then I saw my Grand Master medal reset back to 1 day, around 5 days ago. Did something happen with the requirements or did I make a mistake somewhere? Just wanted to know. Batfan13 (talk) 20:38, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Korfu Island Historical Locations[edit source]

Hello, Lacrossedeamon I notice that you added 4 new Historical Locations of Korfu Island, would you show the the location of "Tomb of Menecrates"? https://guides4gamers.com/assassins-creed-odyssey/map/korfu/ Map guide shows there only 3 Historical Locations, maybe they missed it?

AC3 Animus Feedback[edit source]

Hi Lacrosse,
I see you're adding a bunch of "Memory Animus Feedback System" bullets to the AC3 memories. Couldn't these go under the "full synch" memory infobox parameter? Just thinking that they'd fit better there than as a page section because these objectives change with mission progress like the "kill 2 guards with poison" optional objectives and they're separate from either wiki/Ubi memory descriptions or dialogue that's in-universe to [insert time period]. – Darman (talk) 06:45, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

That's actually a good idea and probably my plan during my revision while going back to replay AC III (whenever I get around to that). At the time, though, I'm only pulling this information from the datamined text files which are a jumbled mess and I think the formatting with the full synch objectives is slightly different, so at this moment I am unsure on how to merge the two. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 06:54, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
I still think they could fit together. From a quick glance at the memories "Infiltrating Southgate" (game start), "River Rescue" (middle), and "A Bitter End" (near game end), these optional objectives can still be merged into the full sych section or reformatted as the goals themselves if they memory doesn't have any constraints. Alternately, do we really need these here? It would make the infobox really long and some of the Animus Feedback is already echoed in the default constraints. – Darman (talk) 21:05, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Hey, I made a poll yesterday, asking people which character they think is the most boring in terms of personality between Connor and Arno, but it looks like it was deleted. Do you know why it was deleted? MedievalVibes (talk)

I didn't delete your post so I can only speculate, but all thread moderators reserve the right to delete any post for any reasons. If I had to guess: low effort. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 01:43, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
Hello MedievalVibes, our guidelines state that moderators reserve the right to remove low-quality posts at their own discretion. I removed your post because in my opinion, creating a poll with just two characters you dislike and asking "who is more boring" isn't a substantive question. In fact, it's more of a leading question, and it feels like something thrown out on a whim. Honestly, if you had at least included a wider selection of characters rather than just the two you personally dislike, I probably would have let it pass because then there would be a little more substance to the poll. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 02:45, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
From what I've seen people say online, it seems like it's almost unanimously agreed that them two are the most boring characters in the MAIN series. Hence why I mad a poll on it. It doesn't seem like people complained about other characters being boring anywhere near as much as they did about 'Connor' and Arno. So I didn't make it because I 'personally dislike' them, and I'd appreciate if you restore the poll. Thanks MedievalVibes (talk)

Layla Hassan's personal files edit[edit source]

No problem on the undo, and thanks for the info on moving away from Trivia sections. Morgan-wolf (talk) 02:21, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Images[edit source]

Why do you insist on not leaving the images of Heimdall and Baldr, logically these are their appearances in the AC universe. unsigned comment by Akinori Júnior (talk · contr) 23:18, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Neither Heimdall or Baldr use their appearances in ACV because these are their depictions filtered through how Eivor imagined them from the myths she was taught, as opposed to their Isu form seen in the video after completing all the Animus Anomalies, which has Odin and his group drink the serum. – Darman (talk) 20:25, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Heimdall & Vidar[edit source]

Where does it say that Heimdall or Vidar are sons of Odin in AC? unsigned comment by Akinori Júnior (talk · contr) 19:57, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Heimdall's parentage is from Rig Reidarasson's ramblings in entry 3 of Rigsogur, while Vidar's parentage is a passing remark in the memory "Malvigr" from the Dawn of Ragnarök expansion. – Darman (talk) 20:25, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

My edit regarding The Aerie.[edit source]

Hello Lacrossedeamon with FalconBrowser here! I had a question regarding my editing on the AC wiki. I edited The Aerie section and my contribution was removed, after I found out why it was removed it made sense to me, next time I put it in the Raids at the Aerie page but I'm still confused as to why the Employee section had to be removed since it's relevant to the location itself and putting one extra Aerie image inside the gallory doesn't seem to be a bad idea. —unsigned comment by FalconBrowser (talk · contr) 16:17, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Journey to the World Subpage[edit source]

Yes, it's open to all editors. Personally, I am surprised what events were "clarified" and the rest were still left up to the player's choice. Ultimately, those "clarified" points are the ones that piqued my interest, and hopefully others as well, and wanted to know if we see them as canonical. Batfan13 (talk) 17:41, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

How could Boudon's vague, 1-liner on Desmond's ancestry be anything but obvious? – Darman (talk) 12:45, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

As editors, I think we are conditioned to view this as self-evident. But I have seen more casual players already citing this AMA as proof that Altair is descended from Roshan even though the devs don't even mention Altair in their answer. Because the answer was not an explicit no, many readers will interpret it as a coy yes. So I feel the note is necessary to explain that we can't take the statement as a coy yes that others might think it is. I am, however, bringing up this issue with other staff members and will get back to you later in the week. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 04:26, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
But even aside from being an editor, as someone who studied history and science, in which facts generally need to be supported with hard evidence, why would people say this is hard proof of anything when he doesn't give a concrete yes/no answer, as you've noted? – Darman (talk) 23:25, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Not sure if it is general naïvety or just underestimating the leaps in logic people will make but since this AMA happened, I've seen multiple people using it as proof that Altair is descended from Roshan. Just because you get it doesn't mean everyone will. We have to cater to the lowest common denominator as it were. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 18:03, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
My position was originally the same as Darman in that I also thought the extra note was superfluous, but if we have reason to believe that our audience is still misunderstanding the information and spreading misconceptions, that alone is enough to warrant greater clarification if an editor deems it necessary. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 21:19, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Re: Valhalla chronology[edit source]

Thanks for the heads up. As I haven't been back to the wiki in quite some time, I was a little uncertain how to tackle that, or if I ought to do anything as exhaustive as I did with Odyssey (which, after that game, I am certainly looking for any excuse not to go down that lengthy a road again lol). And yes, I did pick up on the likelihood of Grantebridge being set before Ledecestre; part of why I'm hesitant to go any further.

op-ed: I'd rather Ubisoft not have gone down this road of "alterable chronology" in the first place; even though some questlines in the franchise's history have been doable in any order, the memory sequence format from every game up until Origins at least made a rigid "A first, then B" chain of narrative progression. Now it's a... wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey mess where A events can reference B's outcomes... but since I'm so late getting through my Valhalla footage, I think I'll not go out of my way to account for these anachronisms and defer to what the wiki has settled on.

(and if it interests you to know, my first playthrough was done on story mode with the high Power Level areas first, deliberately so, b/c I figured they'd do something like this and wanted to flush out such anachronisms. And then I lost my first batch of footage. lol)

RShepard227 (talk) 08:18, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Listing Memories and Transcripts[edit source]

Is there a preferred method to listing the transcript and missions in order on the Game's wiki page?Firestorm808 (talk) 07:38, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

How come all my polls keep getting wiped out, was it the necroposting. I already told you it wasn't done purposely unsigned comment by .WKR (talk · contr) 03:34, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Historical and Fictional Characters Category[edit source]

Does an existing category exist separating the Historical Figures like Leonardo Da Vinci from the Fictional Figures like Ezio? If not, can we implement one?Firestorm808 (talk) 01:40, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Re: Trivia -> BtS[edit source]

Thanks for the heads up. I was operating off (at this point distant) understanding of the Manual of Style, so I hope I didn't cause any major cleanup issues. I should also note that a lot of the information I've been collecting the past couple weeks might be characterized as "game operations" knowledge (Alliance Map orders of operations, Order clue unlocks, et cetera, similar to what I did with Odyssey), and I've happened on several discoveries that the wiki missed. I'm not quite sure how the designation of "unnecessary" will be qualified (quantified?) going forward—the bit about Yohanes is a good example—but I'd certainly hope that what I've uncovered would still be of value and have a place for inclusion on the relevant pages. RShepard227 (talk) 01:32, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Kaori Kagami[edit source]

I saw you noted a perceived continuity error with Dr. Kagami's quest for the Precursor box. While this is likely just a writer oversight IRL, I had a thought: do you think Ellen set up Kagami to fail? I cannot imagine that the leader of both the Templars' governing council and Abstergo's Board of Directors was unaware that the company had found the box in 2014, had given it to a subordinate Inner Sanctum member (Laetitia) for safekeeping, had it couriered by the Sanctum's own Master Templar underling (Juhani) to give to a direct colleague (Álvaro), only to lose it in an explosion in Australia. – Darman (talk) 04:45, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

I actually haven't read BoSJ so I don't know the minutia regarding her interaction with Ellen Kaye but would it make sense for it to be a set up for failure? TBF we have kinda seen that in Heresy with Rikkin trying to do the same with Hathaway. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 04:52, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
Funny, because it's the inverse situation for me, having read Blade but not Heresy. I'll try to take a quick reread and see if there's any more detail to get from her few talks with Ellen. – Darman (talk) 21:40, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Talk pages[edit source]

I notice that you've lately been editing what looks to be every talk page, going in loose alphabetical order, but frequently have added no more to them than {Talkheader}s, missing topic title(s), and applicable {OpenTalk}s. If I may ask, why? The {OpenTalks}s I understand, but the title-less topics are long dead, and I don't see why every talk page needs {Talkheader} if they're inactive. Is all this really necessary? From my perspective, it seems you've self-imposed this standardization, but for what? How does this benefit the site/other editors? – Darman (talk) 14:00, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

It's not a problem Darman, but I appreciate you inquiring about it. Lacrosse was just following by my example. In fact, every talk page with at least one discussion topic is supposed to have a {{Talkheader}}. (A talk page without any discussion topic should not exist at all). This is a message informing users that talk pages are supposed to be used only for discussing wiki contributions. You should see them as like an opening banner to a talk page.
Lacrosse adding headings to discussions which were missing them is also correct. Heading-less discussions are usually the result of ancient users opening talk pages with their ancient topics but not bothering to add a heading because theirs was the only topic at the time. For some reason, I have noticed other wikis do not take an issue with this enough to go around fixing these whenever they encounter them, but it only makes sense to do so. It doesn't make sense for every topic to have a heading except the oldest one where an ancient user just happened to forget.
It is actually adding {{OpenTalk}} to some long dormant or inactive discussion topics that I have expressed concerns with Lacrosse about a couple times. I haven't gotten around to looking at the latest batches of additions to the category for me to assess whether I still disagree with any though. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 15:55, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
If it's a case of clogging up the recent changes page I can mark talkpages that I am only cleaning up as minor edit while leaving opentalk ones regular with it to then be on you to filter out minor edits. But yes since I am step by step going through all the talkpages (I just finished the first page of about 300 only 30 more pages to go) to check for "relatively recent" unresolved talkpages I thought I might clean them up while I am at it. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 01:30, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
I didn't think it was clogging Recent Changes. I just noticed that you have done a whole bunch of these recently and was perplexed, as I did not see any reasoning behind it when this is essentially overdue, standardized maintenance. Thank you both for explaining it. – Darman (talk) 03:15, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
I think it is a good idea to mark edits to talk pages that only involve adding missing headings or the {{Talkheader}} as minor because they are, after all, minor edits. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 04:28, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Apologies. I meant if this game is out already to order because I saw a preview and that's it. Batfan13 (talk) 02:36, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Re: Outfits[edit source]

Where and by whom exactly was this type of categorisation decided upon? Because the Talk page of the Wardrobe seems to be empty. I do see a line in many of those wardrobe pages stating "In an Animus session of [Protagonist]'s life, other outfits of notable Assassins were made available via Animus mods", with a note referencing to the entire game as a source. I have however yet to encounter where exactly in the game it states that these outfits are in the game as a result of Animus mods. Kensterdam (talk) 11:20, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

ACV Art Book cover[edit source]

Found something interesting while looking for ACV art pics. This Croatian site includes the Collector's Edition cover art instead of the half-inserted unclear pic the wiki currently uses...but this Parisian's RedBubble store has a very similar image in stock for shirts, stickers, etc. I can't tell who made their design first and ripped off the other. Thoughts? – Darman (talk) 16:25, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

As we know, Ubisoft isn't above repurposing an asset from somewhere else, but gut feeling is this is an Ubisoft original that the other person is selling as stickers rather than other way around. Otherwise I think it would have been reported somewhere given the hate Ubisoft can sometimes get. Is there a way to check when a design was listed on RedBubble that would be the best way to confirm. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 00:35, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
I'd imagine the corporate copyright hammer would have fallen hard and fast if someone tried to rip off Ubisoft. But it also isn't unheard of for companies to steal ideas and not properly credit them. Seeing as you like to find where Ubi gets their designs, I thought the similarities were unusual and wondered if anyone else had caught wind of it. As for finding dates, I'm uncertain. On many webpages I've seen, if there's no date, the source code usually has a "date-published" attribute somewhere, but I can't seem to find anything, or else it's through a means I don't know. – Darman (talk) 05:15, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
(I guess I'll just respond here and you can delete the portion on your talkpage) Personally I think this is too small fry to be on Ubisoft's legal team's radar and possibly even more costly to try to action anything here. I do like to find if and where they were inspired (or stole) their designs but gut instinct says this isn't the case here. I did see on RedBubble you can sort by new to old or vice versa but didn't see a date or anything nor does it seem to have been scraped by the wbm. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 19:26, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

BTS and P&T[edit source]

Gotcha. I'll review and update the ones that do not need them. Thank you so much! Made creation easier for me. Batfan13 (talk) 04:02, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

Animus morale feature[edit source]

I thought the "Morale" page should be flagged as OOU since it's an Animus feature written in a more IRL gameplay format rather than something like synchronization, which not only is mentioned in-universe but I feel also has a clearer definition of what it is. – Darman (talk) 23:00, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Re: Good Faith on Shay's article[edit source]

I unintentionally necroposted like two threads which if I recall correctly I found from googling the topic. Big deal. It doesn't seem to be against the rules either, but nevertheless I've since took caution to not do it again, hence why I haven't necro'd any forum posts since. I even signed up for Discord at a time I absolutely didn't want to, just to be cleared as a sockpuppet. which as even Sol said, showed good faith. You yourself commented on old talk page topics multiple times, so please do not try to hold that against me. I simply shared my sentiments after coming across Shay's talk page and I was civil and respectful the entire time, very different from reviving old social drama which ironically you just did. I don't believe I've crossed the good faith boundaries. .WKR (talk) 00:11, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

You are rehashing an issue from last year. This is becoming a pattern of behavior for you and does you no favors with the staff or other editors. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 01:16, 12 July 2025 (UTC)
You brought it up on Shay's article, I responded. Given how far this whole thing has went I'll probably email fandom about it on monday anyways, so I will not respond here further least till they've taken a look. .WKR (talk) 01:38, 12 July 2025 (UTC)
Yes, I brought up your problematic pattern of behavior on the applicable talkpage where it was occurring. But please feel free to email away. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 01:55, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Translation aid[edit source]

Seeing as you know Arabic, I noticed that the dog constellation image for the memory "Aligning the Stars" has some script in it that the bird seems to lack. Is it legible enough for you to read, and if so, what does it say? Unlike the Arabic calligraphy for the Mirage skill tree animals, I highly doubt Ubisoft will have reason to comment on this. – Darman (talk) 03:55, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

The star at the withers is labeled المرزم (al-Mirzam) which is the name for Beta Canis Major. The star at the haunch is labeled الشعرى (ash-Shi‘rā) which is Sirius or Alpha Canis Major. I can't read what comes after that word though but I have some people I can ask. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 04:15, 31 October 2025 (UTC)
Cool! Makes sense in retrospect, the dog stars. What made you study Arabic? – Darman (talk) 04:55, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

Any word from your contacts about the missing word(s)? – Darman (talk) 06:55, 6 November 2025 (UTC)
Better. Found someone who did their PhD dissertation on translating Abd al-Rahman al-Sufi's Book of the Fixed Stars. So the star labeled alif/1 is also noted as الشعرى الشامية وهى الغميصاء (al-Shi'ra al-Shāmīya wahaa al-Ghumaiṣa) which technically translate to "The Syrian/left/north Sign/Shiner, also known as the Bleary-eyed (woman)" which here both refer to Procyon because I was wrong and this is actually Canis Minor, not Canis Major; ba/2 is المرزم (al-Mirzam) "the girdle/herald" as I previously stated (both constellations have a star with that name). I also noticed on the constellation of Aquila at the star labeled dal/4 they also have written upside down/backwards النسر الطائر (al-Nasr al-Ṭā'er) meaning the "the flying eagle" which is the Arabic name for the Alpha Aquilae/Altair. For note, the translated version I found was based on MS Marsh 144 at the Bodleian Library while the game uses images taken from 13.160.10 at the Met. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 05:36, 7 November 2025 (UTC)
DAMN, that is a great find. Between some other things I have to do over weekend, I'll try(?) to look up these sources so I can add this to the memory page, unless you want to instead seeing as you found the info. I was just generally inquisitive about it, but your detailed reply above makes me think it warrants being in BTS. – Darman (talk) 16:55, 7 November 2025 (UTC)
I've also got other stuff I am trying to focus on so if you have an idea of how you want to add this all to the page I'll let you take point. For the English I used this thesis which is an analysis and partial translation of this specific manuscript. However the actual diagrams used in Aligning the Stars are pulled from this manuscript instead. Also note that while the constellations were well known before 'Abd al-Rahman al-Sufi's time his actual book is like 100+ years after when this memory is set. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 02:06, 8 November 2025 (UTC)

Unrelated to Discovery Tour, and in light of new Valley info, I've another question for you. If Basim is "ibn Ishaq" and Ishaq is "ibn Khalid", then Nimlot ("نميلوت"?) would be "ibn Mas'ood", yes? I had briefly thought that he would be "Nimlot al-Mas'ood", like how Mas'ood is "al-Ya'qoob", except it doesn't fit with what I recall of nasabs and WP says "al-" is instead the Arabic definite article. Slightly related, would his father's name roughly be rendered as "مسعود يعقوب" for his page? – Darman (talk) 18:56, 24 November 2025 (UTC)

Message reports[edit source]

Hi Lacrossedeamon, I wanted to reach out about some reports we've received regarding your interactions in Discussions. A few users have flagged with Fandom that some of your messages come across as dismissive or condescending, which isn't the tone we'd expect from a moderator. As an example, a recent comment was reported as mocking another user - going forward, please keep your interactions respectful. If you have questions or want to discuss this, feel free to reach out. –ReverieCode <staff/> 16:05, 19 December 2025 (UTC)