Talk:Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad/Archive 1

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Scar

Desmond also has a scar on his mouth. Look closer.

Pronunciation

How do you pronounce his LAST name?

It's pronounced (la-ah-ha-d)

How do you pronounce his name?-- 02:39, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

It is pronounced like "all-tie-ear".

Isn't it pronounced as "All-tha-ear"? It has even come to my attention that some characters in the game pronounce it as "All-Tha-Air". It depends on the character I think. Desmond seems to pronounce it more with "ear" in the back, while some Arabic characters, pronounce it with "air" in the end. Though I don't think Al Mualim does.

I say all-tie-ear but for some reason when I first played I called him Altail because of how I heard it pronounced but that's just me.

Just a suggestion but I feel this article is too jumbled up. Some one should break it up into introduction or background, assassin creed 1 plot, assassin creed: AC plot and relationship.

when does Altiar use a crossbow? FireWolf⁽⁷⁸⁷⁾ 05:07, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

He doesn't. I think him using it in the opening movie was probably cut content or just a conception.

What about the PC version. I haven't completed it and didn't see a crossbow either except in the introduction. So it's all a lie that you can use it in the director's cut?

Altair uses a crossbow in AC:AC (Altair's Chronicles)(Da Firenze 02:57, November 21, 2009 (UTC))

Why does it list the pronounciation with "tha?" At no point is it ever pronounced as a voiced dental fricative, and is always pronounced merey as a hard t. In AC, his name is always pronounced All-tie-ear, or All-ta-air, so the TH is misleading and should be changed.Thepaperclip 06:23, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

I agree what you said about the 't' and I'll change that, but about the second part of his name. I still think most pronounce it as 'All-ta-ear'. or 'All-ta-air'. - Altaïr 12:46, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

People you don't see the first question, it's about the LAST NAME NOT FIRST NAME. It's i-bin La- A-had.

Altair uses crossbow on the Mobile game and AC:Altair's Chronicles.Most likeley the opening scene is from the mobile since the first target in mobile was Sibrand and he was an executioner. MakinArceneau 14:11, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

Fanwank alert!

Can someone purge the fanwank out of the page?It stinks of copypaste.Wikiastalker 20:16, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I Think...

i think that l4d (left 4 dead) used the model of altair for the hunter commonly found pouncing and clawing

Randomnutjob: There's a slight problem with that theory. Ubisoft didn't publish -or- develop L4D! Valve&nbsp published L4D, and Turtle Rock Studios developed it. Whereas Ubisoft Montreal developed AC1 and it was&nbsp released under the general Ubisoft label. A hoodie covering the face is an extremely generic version of&nbsp an even more generic 'disguise' (technically a face obscuring piece of apparel)

To be honest I thought that the Hunter's in L4D looked a bit more like Alex Mercer from Prototype than they do Altair. More evidence to convince me on this was that there are achievements for both games to kill a high-set number of infected, and the numbers for both achievements were very similar, and it would make some sense seeing as how both games (Prototype and L4D) were in developement around much the same time, I think. Not to mention that both games dealt with deadly viruses that infected people, although there's always controversy one way or another in the debate whether or not an infected corpse is really a zombie. Assassin-Rayne 09:36, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

biography

A biography should be a story about a person's life, and in the biography section there are many facts that altair did not know at the time. Such as his master not telling him about the truth, and the fact that he was being used in a genetic project to take over the world. I suggest that we take those out. Also, Altair's Chronicles is a prequel, it should go before AC1.

If you think you can make this article better somehow, go ahead then! ^^ And I suggest you should create an account first =D - SilverSummoner^TaLk 15:47, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

I noticed that there was nothing about Altair's deeds in Assassin's Creed: Altaïr's Chronicles, so I added the section into his biography. Master Mold 14:49, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

After reading a bit furher, I noticed that the biography section is actually quite messed up... I think it should be eventually split into his actual deeds and story (biography) and into another section titled "Skills \ abilities". I might someday do it myself but not until I finish the game :) Master Mold 14:55, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Guys, maybe someone/someones could take the part that talks about Altaïr shadow and name and such and put it under a "behind the scenes" or trivia section? Also, what you think about adding a link to the targets he kills, either by a list or by adding in the biography section through the text per se? -- D. Cello 02:49, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

someone should expand about what happened in assassins creed bloodlines in Altair's Biography. AssassinCreedFreak122 11:44, May 7, 2011 (UTC)

Stop vandalizing the page!

I just understood that recently someone deleted the info form the Bloodlines, Legacy and Altair's Chronicles sections... Whatta? I now agree that some information from the AC:AC section I put may be not enough... correct. But Bloodlines and Legacy... why deleting it? Thanks to Jasca Ducato, who returned everything back into its place. Master Mold 20:06, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

Relationship with Maria Thorpe

It was not mentioned clearly if he married her, but it is confirmed from Assassin's Creed II that they were life partners and lovers. So I dismissed the title of wife and kept it neutral to life partner PassiveNeoluna 22:13, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

In Revelations it is established that he is married to Maria and that he has 2 children.

Kenway 14:20, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

SPOILER ALERT/possible inclusion of codex interpretation?

Codex page 30 clearly states Altair uses The Apple to gain eternal life, or at least intended to, I am very inclined to believe he is still alive in Desmond's time, and following this logic, Ezio is as well, though it seems substantially less likely, anyone else think AC3 is likely to see some huge family reunion of centuries of Assassins, Altair and his descendants? Probably insane, but who doesn't want to see Viddic impaled by Altair for misusing his legacy?

• Codex page 30 does not clearly say Al used the Apple for that purpose, it merely mentions him musing that possibility over. And it's not being included. Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 10:29, March 16, 2010 (UTC)
• I agree with Jasca. All the pages are very vague about what Altaïr is talking about. One is more clear than the other, but the only thing you can do is assume based on what is written, but that doesn't make it fact. We can assume that Altaïr used the apple for getting eternal life, but it stays an assumption, so it can't be included. If there is more proof then I would be for the idea to put it in, but there are no other sources that support this theory so far. --Altaïr 11:35, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

• In page ELEVEN of the codex, Altair makes reference to the fact that Gods throught history have very similar backgrounds, and this line here caught my attention. "Perhaps it isn't... Merely a single story told over the ages? Borrowed then changed to fit the times? Evolving as our tools and language do? Is this tale born of fact or fiction? A bit of both? Could these figures be the same person - their life extended and transformed by a Piece of Eden?" Perhaps this is what Altair is contemplating in the last page. Also did anyone else notice that Altair, Ezio, AND Desmond have the same scar across their lips? Anyways, food for thought! ~Justin

• Even though every other character in Assassin's Creed had a voice befitting their nationality and the time period, Altair had an American accent, this was done intentionally by Ubisoft although they didn't give a reason for it. Maybe it was done so that Altair would fit into Modern Times somehow? RussellSparrow 10:18, October 16, 2010 (UTC)
• In ACI Lucy justifies Altair having an American accent and speaking in new English by telling Desmond that it is so he would be able to understand it. She says that if they just had the Animus translate it word for word it would not make sense to Desmond. Then Ezio can be justified to have an Italian accent and speaking in Italian at points because Desmond is in a different Animus, which Rebecca says has a glitchy translator. -Juno57

Profile Pic

PLEASE leave it as it is i like this pic better as we can actually see a good pic with his face--RexGodwin 01:18, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but I'll talk to this with DCello for your picture to be placed, before you change it. This is an important article, so important changes should be discussed first. --Altaïr March 10, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Altair, the picture you suggested, Rex, diminishes the quality of the article. The other looks more professional as it is a HD promo shot - Maria Thorpe Mar 10 2010 (UTC)

i have no idea what your talking abut, this pic has quite good quality, and the ither one is a crappy small picture where most of his face is obscured i don't see whats so great about full-body shots especially if they suck :P

Well another reason to keep the full body-shot is, because Ezio's profile, also uses a full body-shot very similar to Altaïr's profile. That makes the articles more identical in shape. --Altaïr March 10, 2010 (UTC)

Mind your place, padawan. This is a community, your opinion that the other is crappy and yours is perfect is yours alone. Your picture has bad frame, bad lightining, and I belive it's Altair's skin from AC2. The other is AC official, better defined and two members already expressed their agreement for the original image to remain, between other reasons. It follows unchanged. -- D. Cello 23:04, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

Until there is an good quality pic of Altaïr's face available, I think the current should remain; the same goes for Ezio's article. However, as soon as a good quality facial image is available, I do feel that that should take precedence over the full body pic; that can be reloacted elsewhere within the article. Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 13:02, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

I like the full body pics, the clothes in Assassin's are just as important as the character themselves. They are a character of their own, with a set of movements, style and purpose. -- D. Cello 18:30, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

Left--handed

This has been driving me crazy for a while. Did anyone else notice that Altair is left-handed? He wears his hidden blade on his left hand and the control scheme in the game has you press the left button on your controller (Square on PS3, X on 360) to attack and the right button (Circle on PS3, B on 360) to grab. 174.112.183.209 02:51, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

• Altaïr is right-handed. Despite that the hidden blade is attached to his left hand, he uses his sword and other weapons with his right hand. You can even see pictures of this in his profile. Altaïr 06:00, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
• Makes sense. What if he's ambidextrous, though? I've seen him throw throwing knives with his left hand. 174.112.183.209 19:32, April 15, 2010 (UTC)
• That's more likely, which would also explain why he uses the hidden blade with his left-hand. Though the reason why he uses his left hand for the hidden blade, could also be, so that he's not handicapped to use his sword, because of his missing finger -- Altaïr 21:44, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
• Sorry that this is non-related, but is ASSASSIN'S CREED (the first one) on PS2?
• No it has only been released for the X-Box 360, PS3 and PC. -- Altaïr 12:39, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

His parents

Um where was it mentioned in any of the games that his mother was Christian and his father was Muslim? I only know it said in the first game guide that he was ethnically ambiguous. PassiveNeoluna 19:18, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

I did read it on a lot of places, forums even on IMDB. And in the gameguide it adds after ethnically ambiguous 'mix of European and Arabian'. Upon further research I saw that Jade Raymond, creative producer of Assassin's Creed, revealed this during an interview at the Ubidays 2007 -- Altaïr 21:28, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank for clarifing this Cedric. PassiveNeoluna 19:50, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Unlockable Costume

Yeah, it's not an altair costume that becomes unlockable in Prince of Persia. It's actually an Ezio costume so can it be removed please?

• Erm, no. It is Altair's costume in PoP. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 16:50, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
• I'm pretty sure he (or she, whatever) meant PoP: The Forgotten Sands. Altair's costume was present in the 2008 PoP, while Ezio's in the new one War Clown 11:52, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

The I in Altair

Is it really that important to use that special character I (sorry, don't know how to type it in :D) in Altair's name? Because, I'll be laying out more of the storyline, and I need to know if the special I is really important War Clown 11:54, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Hold the Alt key and type 0239, and I guess his name with the special I is how his name would be type if it was translated in English. Add the ï just in case. a Lunatic 18:41, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Another solution is just to copy-paste it. That's what I sometimes do. But indeed it is important. I had to correct dozens of articles with the incorrect namespelling. -- Altaïr 21:06, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Ok then. I'll fix all the "Altair/s" I typed in so far :D War Clown 10:01, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

• Yes, it is important. His name is Altaïr, not Altair. It doesn't matter so much on talk pages, but in-article it does. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 11:49, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
• Yes, I know. I just fixed all of Altaïr's I/s in one of the timeline pages (eyes hurt XD). I should make a note not to type in his name more and start referencing him as "assassin", or "the assassin" more often :D War Clown 11:58, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

What is he saying?

Sometimes, when you stab a guard before the others realize you are a threat when saving a citizen, Altaïr will respond (to the guards telling him to go away) with something in Arabic. It is usually after this that they start fighting him. Having no knowledge of Arabic phonetics relative to English, I'll try to transliterate this as best I can..

'anarislic/g' (confused on the last character. Could be either a c or a g. He makes it sound almost like a threat.), 'wayhaf', 'noha alay(alain?)' If in doubt, save some citizens and you should be able to pick out what I'm talking about. Hard to render this in text, honestly. 173.50.240.35 07:22, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Faith

Is Altair christian something else ? 79.101.91.187 18:23, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

He's certainly no Christian. I wouldn't say he's an atheist, but he doesn't believe in any God I think. I think the official game guide just described him as a spiritual person. -- Altaïr 20:29, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Altaïr was likely a Muslim, if a member of any denomination, for the duration of the game, having been raised in Muslim lands and being born to a Muslim father. There is a solid chance that he was not Muslim, however, as certain pages from the Codex contain passages suggesting that he was at odds with many beliefs central to the Muslim tradition at the time. One such passage has him mentioning that he became enraged and clenched his fists in anger after seeing a man treating his wife as if she was inferior to him, a belief held by most Muslims during that time period. Also, since his mother was Christian, he might have been at a religious and spiritual crossroads at the time of the game, torn, as he was, between two faiths. If he wasn't atheist before it, he was almost certainly atheist at the end of the game when Al Mualim revealed to him that every miraculous and/or supernatural event in history was caused by the Pieces of Eden. We learn in Assassin's Creed II, at the end of the last mission, in the Vault underneath the Vatican, in Minerva's message to Desmond, that all god-worshipping religions arose from early humans' misunderstandings of the race that created the Pieces of Eden, so it is quite possible that this information was also relayed to Altaïr by the Apple, although we don't know for sure. EEA 01:01, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

In any case he ended up not being a person to believe in God as he clearly stated there's no heaven or hell in the codex. Like I said previously he was described to be a spiritual person and there's no evidence that he was religious of the sort. --Altaïr 01:06, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Assassin's Creed II clearly states his religious views in the codex.The Leaping Eagle 12:19, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

Arabic pronunciation

I'd like to make a suggestion as to changing the article's explanation of the Arabic pronunciation of his name. A direct transliteration of the Arabic characters in his name gives the spelling "Al-Ta'ir", (there is a stop between the a and i). I understand this is what is used in the game. However Arabic has what are called "sun and moon" letters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_and_moon_letters), and the emphatic "Ta" (the T used in Altair's name) is a "sun" letter. This means that the L in Altair's name would not be pronounced by an Arabic speaker. Therefore, the correct Arabic pronunciation of Altair's name in Arabic would be "At-ta'ir.

Malik A-Sayf is also an instance of the sun and moon letters. That's why it isn't "Malik Al-Sayf", because S is also a sun letter.

Also, people pronounce the T incorrectly. It's actually heavier than that. It should be pronounced as the ط in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh-H7TtAf2k&feature=related.

Name

Where does the version "Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad" come from? In the game manual it says "Altaïr Ibn La-Ahad". -- Master Sima Yi 22:19, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

I know this is an extremly belated response, but whilst the game manual does indeed spell it "Ibn La-Ahad", in the introductory video for Brotherhood it is spelt "Ibn-La'Ahad", which IMO should take preference. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 14:27, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

I know, I saw it as well. We'll just leave it as it is. -- Master Sima Yi 14:28, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

The proper way is Altaïr ibn La-Ahad, since ibn mean 'son of', it's not two surnames with a little - between them. Similarly you wouldn't write Ezio Auditore-Da'Firenze, because that's how surnames worked in olden-times. They used their father's names or where they were from. 88.196.181.241 12:37, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, now I'm not so sure anymore, given the explanation by Professor Arab below, perhaps Altaïr ibn la Ahad, if the la is an article? 88.196.181.241 12:42, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

We do it in the same way as Ubisoft, not in the way it "should be" according to the real world logics. Nesty ^{Contact me!} 12:54, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

The name translation is vandalized

"Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad (Arabic: الطائر ابن لا أحد) (born 1165) was anAssassin living during the Third Crusade..."

The Arabic translation above reads as "I am not a bird". The actual translation is:

نسر الاحد لوسانجليس لابن

Dont use translation websites they are actually WRONG. better learn how to write arabic or ask an arabian! MakinArceneau 14:28, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

Haha, well, thanks for notifying us! Next time you see an error like this feel free to edit without asking here, I would fix this myself right now, but my browser is stuffing up ATM. Thanks, --THIEF 06:34, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

Dude the guy who wrote the new translation is wrong. Do you know what he just said? He said: Eagle the one los angeles for son.

Yeah, I ran the "actual translation" through this site, and it came up with "Eagle Sunday to Osangeles Ibn". OZZY 14:07, December 8, 2010 (UTC)

Isnt this (النسر الابن بلا) the true translation?Einsteinium99 18:28, June 24, 2011 (UTC)

I'm a native Arab and the direct translation, without using any online dictionary, is:

الطائر إبن لا أحد&nbsp Altaïr - الطائر: an Adjective to a person who flies: literally The Flyer.

Verb Past tense: Flew: طار

Verb Present tense: Fly: يطير

Ibn- is literally: son of: إبن

La'Ahad: actually two words

La: No:لا

Ahad: one or body أحد

So if you want a direct meaningfull transliteration of the name in english you would say:

"The Flyer son of no-body." also "The Flyer son of no-one" or A-Tta'er Ibn la Ahad.

Yes, the Arabic letter ط is a sun letter and the L in AL (used as a definitive article similar to 'the' in English ane Le in French) would not be pronounced

Mkrbu50 13:06, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

For someone who is a native Arab, your Arabic is a little off. Yes, ط is solar so the ل in front takes the same sound, so it should be "at" and not "al". Next the ط is a harder sounding "T" that is produced from the back of the throat as opposed to the ت which is a lighter sounding "T" that is produced with the tip of the tongue and the top of the mouth.

Next, while yes, at-Ta'ir can be defined as "the flyer", I have never heard it described that way in MSA, or in Levantine, Egyptian, or Iraqi dialects. It also can be used to say aviator, omen, or presage, BUT its common use in any Arabic Dialect and MSA is "the bird". And الطيار at-Tiiar is commonly used for "the flyer" as well as the aviator and the pilot. This is just a good case of an English speaker wanting a cool sounding Arabic name for the game and failing miserably to really understand the language. As with most 3-letter roots, adding the alif (ا) between the 2nd and 3rd diacritic is about the english equivalent of adding -er to english words.

next, ibn la-ahad is just horrible in itself. Arabic is a descriptive language, unlike English (which uses a lot of shortcuts and inferred meanings). ibn does mean son, but is mostly used like "hal hua ibn kareem" (is that Kareem's son). When used as a title (such as a name), bin (same root) is used more frequently (bad example, but a well known one-- bin Ladin).

la ahad is used as a pronoun for no-one, but because arabic is a descriptive language, it is used as a subject and therefore must have a verb. In English, we understand that "one" means a person, but you have to be descriptive in Arabic, so it would be better to say something along the lines of "lesa bin shakhs" or "lesa bin rajal", especially since la (لا) is primarily used on verbs as an answer, and lesa (ليس) is used for nouns and everything else.

Oh, and for your last comment about the L in AL not being pronounced, I said before it takes the sound of the TOH (ط), so, in a way, it is pronounced, but more so like putting a shadda over the TOH.

Reference: I do Arabic for a living, and talk daily to native Arabic speakers of all dialects

74.123.249.235 02:09, September 3, 2011 (UTC) ضياء

Your proffessional insight is much appreciated. I said I'm a native speaker, I didn't say I'm a professor of Arabic Studies in some reknown University. In light of your impressive analysis, I doubt "daily natvie speakers" would share this expertise with you.

By the way, you did tell us what you think about my off Arabic understanding of the name. What you didn't tell us is what's your opinion/translation of it! Your effort would only be complete and time would be appreciated if you address the main subject, or is it negative disagreement your seeking out here?

94.96.10.218 08:09, January 10, 2012 (UTC)Mkrbu50

Altair/Desmond's Face

If you have not noticed already, Altair's face is EXACTLY similar to Desmond's. I was just wondering if that would be the result of their ancestory or just Ubisoft's deadline/laziness? It's always stuck me so, including the fact that Ezio has some, but not all features. - E. Cain

It is meant to personify (literally) the fact that they are direct ancestors. That and, yes, I don't see Ubisoft wasting their time creating a model of a similar-looking ancestor, when they could just make them the same, and sti;ll retain the same effect of them being related. --Piratehunter (Talk•Contribs) 16:40, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah kind of true!

Is the story of Ezio over after assassins creed brotherhood?

Ezio is my favorite main character in the series and i really want them to continue a story with him. However, i have relized there is much to go with. Does any one know what happens to Ezio after he is last seen killing Ceasere in the game?

What has this got to do with Altaïr? --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 04:35, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

No it isn't, he's still the main character in Revelations. Also, Altair is almost certain to be in Revelations as well, flashback or not. The trailer meant something. Jackass2009 23:09, May 5, 2011 (UTC)

The Hiding Short Blade in the Intro

People thought that the short blade was replaced by the Crossbow in the Introduction Movie in Assassin's Creed. Well, actually Altair's short blade was hiding in the large,brown, belt-like armor in the assassin's abdomen. Notice that when Altair was stripped of his possessions and rank, this brown belt became a little smaller. But when he was a master assassin, this thing was bigger, it shows that it had two pieces, when combined, made a small gap between them. That's where Altair put his short blade. Try searching in Youtube or play the Intro once more.

92-years Altair ?

Where did that bit of information about a 92 years-old Altair mettin with Niccolo and Maffeo Polo ?

You see that little number that comes directly after that piece of information… if you click it, it tells you where the information came from. Sign your posts. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 02:55, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

Altaïr's name

We all know his first name is Altaïr but do we consider Ibn-La'Ahad his complete last name ? I know it's a stupid question but I didn't know how to put it in an article.. Killeras 15:50, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, we do. It's stated on various occassions, like the introductory video of Bloodlines. Don't think we would have fan fiction here and we wouldn't do anything about it, especially on such an important article. -- Master Sima Yi 20:34, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

Sub 16

If Altair is an ancestor of Ezio and Ezio is an ancestor of Sub 16, isn't Altair an ancestor of Sub 16 as well ?Killeras 22:05, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

Nevermind it seems like someone already edited it.

Yes, he is (and why it was removed from the article, I don't know) but not for the reasons you state. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 07:51, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

I deleted it because it should go under the "Legacy" section. It isn't important enough to be in the introduction, since Subject 16 isn't an important character in the entire AC universe overall. -- Master Sima Yi 08:19, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry Sima, but I fail to see how you can possibly believe 16 isn't important… also, every other individual with important relations has those relations mentioned in their introduction, it's practically part of our MoS. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 18:39, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

If you take a look at the overall AC universe, from the prehistory to the 21th century, Subject 16 hasn't done anything of any real relevance. And the other articles may have it, but I don't see any point in it. The introduction is to sum up the article, and his descendants have very little mentions in the Legacy section. I fail to see how it improves the article. And you're causing me an edit conflict. -- Master Sima Yi 18:42, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

Where does it say that Ezio is subject 16's ancestor? 195.194.204.251 10:40, November 24, 2011 (UTC)L0RDR4G3

Arabic words are incorrect

I would like to point out that the current arabic translation of "Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad" ; الطائر ِإبن لا أحد , is not the correct translation of his name. i checked in Google Translate and it translates to: "Bird's son is not a". The correct translation of "Altaïr Ibn-La Ahad" is : نسر بن لوس انجليس الاحد which is the most accurate translation in Arabic. thanks for hearing this out :D Droideka93 23:29, June 20, 2011 (UTC)Droideka93

Yes, because Google Translate is reliable… --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 23:30, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

نسر بن لوس انجليس الاحد --- that translation means "an eagle of Sunday's Los Angeles' son". Please don't use google translate, it is horrible when stringing words together, and I have no idea where it got los angeles from (لوس انجليس). But yeah, I agree that Al-Ta'ir ibn-La Ahad is a horrible name with very bad wording and poor arabic grammar. Kudos for the designer to try to make something sound Arabic, shame for him not consulting a true Arabic source.

First, it's at-Ta'ir not Altaïr. The TOH ط is a solar letter therefor the LAM ل before it takes the exact same sound, and not the sound of an L. Next there is a seated Hamza ئ after the alif ا which takes the sound of a glottal stop (or a quick stop in sound before moving on to the next sound). So, TA'IR or TA IR, not TAIR.

Plus, Nisr نسر means Eagle, and ta'ir طائر means Bird.

ibn La Ahad makes no grammatical sense in Arabic, whereas it would in English.

BTW, I speak Arabic for a living, and do not use google translate

شكرا

ضياء

74.123.249.235 21:47, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

It is actually a mistake by the developers. la'ahad means no sunday. and ibn is pronounced as bin. 149.147.34.169 16:46, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Actually Ahad comes from waahid, meaning one. It means single or individual. And Sunday (yawm al-Ahad) means the first day. Ibn is still pronounced as ibn but it's joined to the word before it ( At-Taa'iru bnu la Ahad).188.53.17.184 13:45, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

New info

What happened to the Assassins after Altair fled Masyaf? Was Abbas the new Grand Master of the Assassin Order? If so we should add this to Grand Master page. Also do we know anything of Altair after fleeing the castle?

If we knew, it would be in the article, wouldn't it? The book has only just come out, give us sometime to actually read it before we update the articles. Sign your posts. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 18:15, June 24, 2011 (UTC)

Wait, the book is out??? I thought it is only out on the 27th or 28th of June? So, all these new information is from the book? Trainkun2313 18:31, June 24, 2011 (UTC)Trainkun2313

Altair's Voice

So i was replaying Assassin's Creed and after sequence 2 if you talk to Lucy she explains how the animus refines the language in the memories are "modern day english" so it came to me that this is why Altair's voice is so American....Moviesman23 05:17, June 26, 2011 (UTC)

Yes that's why his voice was American in the first game. In revelations his voice is more arabic because the animus in revelations is more advanced than the one used at abstergo. It's also funny to note that the voice actor in the first game is the same in revelations despite how different they are.TheDudeMan123456 23:08, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

Grand Master

Can we assume that after Altair died, his son Darim became the next Grand Master? I don't really remember how the Grand Master was chosen after the previous one died. Killeras 11:06, June 26, 2011 (UTC)

You can assume all you want, that doesn't mean you're allowed to add any assumptions nor speculation to the articles, 'tis against the rules, aye? :P -- Rayne ^Message 11:12, June 26, 2011 (UTC)

I didn't do anything, I was just curios and don't worry I've been a long time reader before finaly making an account and deciding to help out, so I know most of the rules :P Killeras 11:30, June 26, 2011 (UTC)

Later life

Where did you get the data on his late life? Project Legacy?

93.103.123.191 13:26, June 28, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I source it for nothing. It is from Assassin's Creed: The Secret Crusade. -- Master Sima Yi 13:28, June 28, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah Sima, what the hell are you sourcing it for? --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 13:36, June 28, 2011 (UTC)

I was thinking about how Altair would have died I think it was From the Mongols. Its eating at me because he is my favouite Assassin.I like to care about myself only. 03:48, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

(spoilerous content inevitable ;) Sima is right, it is from the Secret Crusade and Altair died by locking himself in a 'library' a.k.a. a tomb with the apple.Ezio Auditore 12:53, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

Let sleeing dogs lie. No need to restart an old conversation. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 12:58, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

Birthday

In wich source they say that Altaïr was born the January 11? Excuse my english.--Darth envidious 21:17, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

Wherever is it from, its not from the Secret Crusade book.--Bogdan stretePS3 21:32, July 6, 2011 (UTC) 00:28, July 7, 2011 (ET)

One of the Revelations teaser images that was previously on facebook. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 14:40, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Altair and Ezio aren't related.

According to the lead writer of Revelations, Darby McDevitt, While Altair and Ezio are both Desmond's Ancestors, Ezio is NOT a decendant of Altair.

This just means that one side of his family had Altair's DNA, and the other had Ezio's, which, considering that he was born into the brotherhood and all, is definately plasible.

Here's the link if anyone else wants to read up on it; I suspect there will be a bit of editing to do now.

http://kotaku.com/5823431/what-i-thought-i-knew-about-assassins-creed-revelations-was-partially-wrong174.57.237.158 21:21, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

Well, yes. Because when Altair/Ezio/Connor have kids/grandkids/greatgrandkids/etc, The assassin bloodline gets diluted.

So Ezio, Altair, Connor are different, but they all have one descendant, Desmond. Also, they're not the only ones.

Which means Desmond is a very special boy. 222.127.223.69 06:36, May 2, 2012 (UTC)Ican'tthinkofaname.

Altair's age

We're gonna need a bit more verification before we make a major change like that. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 14:36, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

In this Interview [[1]] the creative director of AC revelations says that Altair lived a very long life making it into his ninties or somehwere along that line. I just thought that should be added to his profile.Awale-Abdi 16:28, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Well in the article, you can see that his biography goes up till 1257 which is in his 90's. Subject 12 ^{Talk to me} 16:37, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Oh thanks for pointing that out and sorry for wasting time on this...Awale-Abdi 18:58, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

According to Some sources, his age of death was 99...or at least it was the last age ever mentioned anywhere... Falco Luce 09:42, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

Becoming Grandmaster Section

This section needs to be rewritten. No offense to whoever wrote it, but the grammar in it is horrible. XSevSpreeX 02:03, October 14, 2011 (UTC)

Well, re-write it then. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 09:28, October 14, 2011 (UTC)

Remodel

So Altair's getting a remodel in Assassin's Creed: Revelations. Does that mean he's getting an entirely new face to where he no longer looks like Ezio and Desmond? Or is he just getting a remodel to make his face look younger for the memories that are suppose to take place before AC and look older for the ones that take place after AC?

Yeah pretty much, they remodeled his face. In the first assassin's creed game his face looked almost exactly like desmonds. This was to show sychronization between the two characters. But in revelations his face has been changed and doesn't look anything like the altair in the first game. They most likely will change his face over time as he ages. I don't think ubisoft will have a 90 year old Altair with a 20 year olds face. lol. Also, please remember to sign your posts. This cane be done by hitting the "signature" button in the upper left hand corner of the editing area.TheDudeMan123456 23:05, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

Altaïr and Subject 16

"Centuries later, in the early 21^st Century the Templar organization Abstergo Industries kidnapped a descendant of Altaïr, one only known as "Subject 16," in order to "read" the memories that were encoded into his DNA. Using the Animus, Subject 16 was forced to relive the memories of his ancestors. " - from the Altaïr page.

Correct me if I'm wrong but we only know Subject 16 is related to Ezio, and since Ezio is not related to Altaïr, we can't confirm that Subject 16 is a descendant of Altaïr. Editing to be done I guess.

Gabriel Auditore 15:05, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Subject 16 is shown to be related to Altair in the first game. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 12:43, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

^ Where? Master Decoder 07:08, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

Doesn't Work

It says here that he kept the apple w him after cyprus but didn't the templars get the apple from cyprus is ac2? the apple that eventually went to desmond.....

There is more than one Apple of Eden. Altair kept his Apple, Ezio found the one in Cyprus. Where did the Apple in Cyprus come from? I guess we need to wait till ACIII to find out. Also, not to do an admin's job or anything, but please sign your posts, using four tildes (~) to do so. Gabriel Auditore 16:55, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

altair as person

Omg i can live with Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad new voice, this suddenly new found personalty he portray after obtaining the second key in revelations..... i liked the cold and apathic version of him in ac1. but of course he's personality should grown with him but the way it was done i revelation just seemed to radical

The reasons for Altaïr's change in attitude is shown in the first game. Also, sign your posts. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 16:21, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Renaming page

Asking for more opinions first as this is a rather important page. Revelations always lists Altaïr's name as "Altaïr Ibn La'Ahad" in subtitles and in the database. Is this valid enough for a renaming? =GuardDog 03:37, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, it is. The hyphen is pointless and they are very rarely used for actual names. News Bot 04:41, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Except that the hyphen is used in the encyclaepedia, so it stays. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 11:42, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Voicework

Just wanted to ask, what's the source on the supposed new voice actor for Revelations in the infobox? Most people say it's still Philip Shahbaz, albeit putting on a mid-eastern accent. -S- 16:29, December 1, 2011 (UTC)

It's not Shahbaz, after the Gamescom demo he tweeted Ubisoft didn't ask him to return. --Alientraveller 16:58, December 1, 2011 (UTC)

Is it truely the end for Altair?

Is it truely the end for Altair? In the end of Revelations, Altair dies right after letting go of the Apple, does that mean if it's taken out, he might be ressurected?? Have the creators said that there will be no more Altair, or is there a chance. I say this because it clear that desmond would go to Altair's library in the next game, thus coming into contact with his corpse.110.39.225.79 13:37, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately, yes. They stated it to end the tales of the 2 legendary assassins, Ezio and Altaïr. Though I do not think Desmond will go to Altaïr's Library for the Piece of Eden. It's locked up in Masyaf where no grubby hands can get it, just the way Ezio and Altaïr intended it I guess. --Teller ^{Words, On my Screen :O} 13:40, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

Teller... Get your facts straight... in Desmonds time, the Apple has already been taken from Altaïr's library. Remember a certain English queen with an Apple? Yes? And the spiritual leader of India? Also? Good. It's the same Apple. Nesty ^{Contact me!} 14:25, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for that, that means Desmond has no reason to go back to Masyaf. XD Teller ^{Words, On my Screen :O} 14:27, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

It's truely sad yet so very epic. 110.39.225.79 14:22, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

He's dead, end of. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 15:53, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

In my honest opinion, I really wish they'd kept his voice actor. I'm fine w/ the face, but above all this, I wish ubisoft gave us 1 last console game w/ ONLY altair. when i first saw the revelations teasers, I was really excitd 2 see altair again. I wish the memories were longer and allowed us 2 see more of his life. Dont get me wrong, ezio's still a cool character 2 give up his life as an assassin, but it just feels right 2 give altair 1 last console game. Also, i wish revelations explaind why altiar, ezio, and desmond have similar faces, like the scar 173.189.9.231 00:45, January 4, 2012 (UTC)

Voice ACBL

Who voiced him in AC Bloodlines? VaniVoid97 14:31, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Old Style or New Style dates?

I was recently wondering whether Altaïr's dates of birth and death were using the Julian or Gregorian calendar. If the 11 January he was born on, as well as the c. 12 August he died on are both Julian, then he was actually born on 18 January, and he died on c. 19 August. What opinions do you have? 174.117.168.64 22:27, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

profile picture

I'm not sure if my opinion would still be relevant, since I'm barely active and almost not active surely these day, but still I want to have my say. I personally think that the profile pictures shows these character in their prime, not the most recent images you can find of them. And that doesn't only count for Altaïr, but for Ezio, Desmond. In my opinion Altaïr was in his prime in the first game, but that's just me. But surely when it comes to Ezio he was at his prime surely in Assassin Creed II or Brotherhood. And it's not just when they were at their prime. It's also the image of the character people are most familiar with. There, I said my two cents. -- Altaïr 05:39, January 12, 2012 (UTC)

We don't have a render of young Maria, so to reflect Maria in her old age, we decided to use old Altaïr. -- Master Sima Yi 14:25, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

That makes more sense, but I see you have changed it back now. Probably the first reason was that you did find a rendering of a young Maria Thorpe. Anyway why change Ezio then? My original idea was to use a picture of how he looked like when he was in his prime, so either that of ACII or Brotherhood. So, I'm not sure why you decided to use the Brotherhood picture, but I'm glad you did. Anyway it's good to hear from you again Sima. Keep up the good work with the wiki. And perhaps I'll do some work on the wiki myself when I'm back in Belgium. We'll see. See you! -- Altaïr 12:03, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

The Encyclopedia also handles his Brotherhood appearance, and seeing as we have three different appearances to choose from, I figured that using the middle/center one to be the most subjective. And likewise! ;) -- Master Sima Yi 12:37, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

Possessed vs. Had

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjQ3gIUbLc0

from 2:40

And the winner is Possessed.

Remember to sign your posts Rodrigo. Also it wasn't that we had a problem with had vs possessed it was that your edits really altered how the page looked. Stormbeast 15:51, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

You're right. I'm so sorry. R. Borgia 17:30, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

Does anyone know how Altair and Desmond obtained the scar above their lip? Ezio Auditore 1459 23:36, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Which is cannon

The secret crusades or revelations? This article has Revelations events. RJX74 02:12, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

Both are canon, though with different levels of priority - games outweigh novels. You can read more about it here if you're interested. =GuardDog 02:27, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

Except here http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Swami apparently the encyclopedia says that The Secret Crusade is cannon, Revelations is not, according to Master sima Yi, (an admin) which has me confused RJX74 02:31, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

Ah, then my mistake, I've never read the Encylopedia. Anyway, if Master Sima mentioned it said so, then that's true, no need to be confused. =GuardDog 02:42, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

Ok Thanks :) RJX74 02:47, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

I think what M.Sima was trying to say here was that the Encyclopedia confirms or supports the book 'The Secret Crusades' only for the case of Swami and not as a general rule. As per the canonical sourcing priority, the game still comes ahead.--Odranoelluta^Talk 07:20, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

This is cannon. -- Master Sima Yi 09:52, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

Altaïr's robes ACIII

So if his robes aren't included in the special editions of the game, does that mean it won't return?

Call me Crazy 01:05, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

If you're asking if Altair's robes will return, the answer is most likely that they wont Master Decoder 07:05, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

Accent

How do you type in the accent in the "i" in Altair?

The symbol is one of the Alt-codes that a computer can produce. To be easier though, it would be better to copy the symbol on the page and paste it where you need it to go. Slate Vesper 17:40, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

Probably a bit late, but hold down the ALT key and type 139 on the right num pad.

Thank you very much! The Leaping Eagle 20:48, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

No problem mate. This site has a list of all the numbers for the letters used on this wiki. Howling Snail 23:05, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

I can tell I'll have fun with that. Thank you. The Leaping Eagle 15:34, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

Hood

Should it me noted that Altair had his hood sewn onto his head? I don't want to make any edits without knowing if they belong on the page. BethesdaFTW 22:08, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

How did you come across this bit of nonsense? Altair had his hood sewn onto his head?!! This takes idiocy to another level.--Odranoelluta^{Talk✲<choose><option>http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel-cinematic-universe/images/1/18/Sig.png</option></choose>} 22:30, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it mentions he had his hood sewn on at some point during Assassin's Creed or Assassin's Creed: Revelations. BethesdaFTW 19:26, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

I seriously doubt that Altair had his hood sewn to his head. That would be very painful.

And getting your finger chopped off isn't? BethesdaFTW 15:06, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

I think what you're looking for is where Al Mualim says "You fit your father's shoes like they have been tailored to your feet." But that would only imply that he follows in his father's footsteps to the degree that they act practically the same. Slate Vesper 19:35, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

False alarm, I heard some nonsense on the internet somewhere that was completely wrong.BethesdaFTW 15:07, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

• cough* finalaltairmemoryinrevelations *cough*The Leaping Eagle 16:14, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

Does Altair represents somebody?real historical person?79.167.157.171 14:32, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

hades79.167.157.171 14:32, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Does Altair represents real historical person?

i mean somebody with other real name

No, and please sign your posts. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 16:59, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

We need more Altair.

I honestly believe that we should've had more Altair games, it would've been interesting, the timeline he's placed me in has always intrigued me. Exploring more of his life and character in first person rather through codex pages and 5 second memories. Well, who knows, perhaps it could happen after AC III.110.39.224.66 12:21, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

Assassin's Creed: Revelations was made with the purpose of closing both Altaïr's and Ezio's stories. They will from now on move on to other characters, not go back to Altaïr and Ezio. They may have some cameos though, but their stories are done. -- Master Sima Yi _Clogs ^{Marvel Studios} 12:23, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

That, and there are other games in the series delving into Al's life. Assassin's Creed: Bloodlines and Assassin's Creed: Altaïr's Chronicles--Kainzorus Prime ^{Walkie-talkie} 12:35, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

I'm aware of that, however I wasn't talking about expanding his story, bringing events that occured in those two games and the secret crusade into a major console game. Detailing his life, from a child to a man. Besides, Revelations didn't do much justice to his story. (My apologies if I've offended someone with that statement).110.39.224.66 14:12, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

no, no i understand. I was rly hyped for ACR @ first til they showed ezio's half of the poster. i thot it was another altair-only game JackDick 14:57, June 1, 2012 (UTC)