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Corrected spelling/grammar[edit source]

Under "Siege of Masyaf", there is a line reading "Taking the village, slaughtering its inhabitants, and besieging the castle, Altaïr and several groups of Assassins ran to defend the village."

This is incorrect sentence structure and does not - strictly speaking - make any sense. The way this sentence is written implies that Altaïr and the other Assassins were the ones taking the village, slaughtering its inhabitants, etc.

This sentence is in desperate need of rephrasal. I reccomend "While the attacking templars were taking the village, slaughtering its inhabitants, and besieging the castle, Altaïr and several groups of Assassins ran to defend the village it." be substituted.

Candid canid (talk) 09:12, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

Amended. Thank you for pointing this out. ~ GI Auditore Comms Channel 10:00, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

Altair's Age at the beginning[edit source]

At first, I'm sorry for my bad english. I have read, that he is 25 years old at the beginning in Assassin's Creed 1, but his birthday is the 11. January 1165. He had met Robert de Sable in early 1191, so he must be 26 Years old at that time? I'm not sure, which information is correct?

94.218.48.73 11:39, November 2, 2012 (UTC)


Assassin's Creed could just as well have started on January 3. -- Master Sima Yi Talk 12:13, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, that could be possible. I have thought that Altair is for a longer time 25 years old, because the fact was so accentuated (because of Desmond) and the Assassin's Creed Revelations timeline has him reputedly being 26 during the second mission (I haven't played Revelations). It was my error in reasoning.

94.218.48.73 12:43, November 2, 2012 (UTC)


Altaïr's birthday is in June.
https://twitter.com/ubiworkshop/status/298547350044045312
Sporkbot (talk) 02:55, February 5, 2013 (UTC)


That's an odd thing! The official Assassin's Creed Site on Facebook indicate January for Altair's birthday. Which source is accurate? (92.74.33.88 22:39, February 15, 2013 (UTC))

Why the old picture?[edit source]

I was just wondering, given the site's usual rule of using the newest, retconned, or otherwise official image of a character for their article's cover photo (or whatever it's actually called), why Alair's pic is his render from the first game. I know Desmond's was changed back to the one from Brotherhood, as apposed to he his newer one from Revelations, but I thought that was because his face in that image bears more resemblance to his newer one in ACIII.

Getting slightly off topic. My point is, being that it's basically identical to how he looked in the first game, save being slightly more detailed, and having a glove on both hands (which is actually more accurate to how he's looked in-game throughout the whole series), his render from Revelations would be a better choice.

Hell, it even cleanly shows him from the front, which I'd imagine would be preferable to having his back turned to the point where you can barely see his face. Even if you dislike the changes they made to his face in Revelations, you can't really argue that here since his face is mostly shadowed, and it's impossible to tell the difference, really. I was actually going to just go ahead and change the image anyway since they are so similar, but realized there must be a reason for it not already being his image, and decided to ask everyone else first.

He also has what I think is a new render in his database entry in Assassin's Creed III, but it only shows him from about the mid thigh and up, so I guess that one's not really going to work.

Anyway, yeah, so should the image be changed, and if not, then why?

Nickreaper (talk) 08:40, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

I would change it, but the main argument would be that he's basically dead now canonically speaking. Supreme Master AssassinO Mentoras 09:38, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

This image is the most iconic of Altaïr, as it has been part of much promotional imagery featuring him, and he is known mostly for his role in the first Assassin's Creed game. Slate Vesper (talk) 09:56, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

"given the site's usual rule of using the newest, retconned, or otherwise official image of a character for their article's cover photo" Uhm what? We have no such thing. The reason why this render is up is because we have multiple renders to choose from and each has their own opinion on which one we should choose. I'm not too fond of the current one either but the reason we use it is because it is the one used for Altaïr's entry in the Encyclopedia (first edition at least), thus being more "neutral". -- Master Sima Yi Talk 09:58, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

  • Yeah, that's basically the same kind of reasoning I gave. Being that it's the last one to be used by Ubisoft themselves in something big and importantly like that gives it a sense of "officialness", which is more than fair enough. Nickreaper (talk) 04:29, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

No title[edit source]

Anyone knows about that supposed game for Vita called "AC: Virtues"? AnimusHack (talk) 19:59, April 10, 2013 (UTC)

No, and why would you ask this on Al's talkpage of all places? --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 20:13, April 10, 2013 (UTC)

Picture[edit source]

Can we switch Altaïr's pic to this???

Awesomekid120 (talk) 10:56, April 30, 2013 (UTC)Awesomekid120

Why? -- Master Sima Yi Talk 11:34, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
No, the current image is the same as Al's encyclopedia entry. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 11:57, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
Perhaps, but we're not the official AC Encyclopedia, are we? We can have a different lead image for our articles, if we so choose. Personally, I think the proposed image is better than the current one, mainly because it's not just a picture of his back. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 12:21, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
You go over that one with Sima. I'm just saying what he usually does. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 12:46, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
I agree, that picture looks better. The current one looks like he is trying to be mysterious and is failing without any smoke effects. Kooala Cupcake. - Leave me a message! 12:54, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
And what about this one? --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 13:42, April 30, 2013 (UTC)

That one looks better than both Kain. --ACsenior (talk) 14:31, April 30, 2013 (UTC)

Nah. That one gives (for me atleast) too much of an AC:R feeling. I prefer the one that was...deleted all of a sudden. Kooala Cupcake. - Leave me a message! 15:28, April 30, 2013 (UTC)

It was deleted because it was an unsourced duplicate of the exact same image Gabe uploaded months ago. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 15:54, April 30, 2013 (UTC)

I personally like this one. There are higher quality ones; I just did a quick search. I like this one because he's facing us directly. Kain's one is also good, because it is more canonically accurate in terms of equipment.--Crimson Knight Intercom 15:34, April 30, 2013 (UTC)

I actually like Kain's proposed image as well, although it does look a bit like he's arching his back forward (although that might just be because it's on a transparent white background. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 08:13, May 1, 2013 (UTC)

What was Awesomekid's suggestion? Unfortunately, the image was deleted. Does it exist somewhere else? --Crimson Knight Intercom 20:24, May 1, 2013 (UTC)

It's there now. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 20:31, May 1, 2013 (UTC)

Shall we put this to a vote, with two of the above and the current render? --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 18:40, May 2, 2013 (UTC)

That makes it a lot easyer then an endless discussion. So yes to put up a vote.--ACsenior (talk) 19:39, May 2, 2013 (UTC)

I'll hold until monday, to give people time to add any other possible renders, then set up a vote. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 20:11, May 2, 2013 (UTC)

Le Vote[edit source]

Since none of you bastards reminded me, this poll is two days overdue. Anyhow, since people didn't object to the vote and suggested render change, here we have it, with current render, Gabe's render from anniversary poster, and the Revelations render in voting. Poll's open for one week, and ends on Wednesday 15th.

  • Current render
    Current render
  • Anniversary render
    Anniversary render
  • Revelations render
    Revelations render

Le vote[edit source]

Current render


Anniversary render

  1. Kooala Cupcake. - Leave me a message! 14:35, May 8, 2013 (UTC)


Revelations render

  1. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 13:28, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
  2. Not fond of either of the other ones. --Crimson Knight Intercom 15:34, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
  3. --ACsenior (talk) 16:17, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
  4. Just seems the best - Sadelyrate (siniath) 16:26, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
  5. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 17:15, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
  6. Auditore5 sì? 17:22, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
  7. I like the angle on the Anniversary render better, but this is higher quality. ~ GI Auditore Comms Channel 03:08, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
  8. Slate Vesper (talk) 19:32, May 10, 2013 (UTC)
  9. I like the angel on this one. Stormbeast ♉ The Helpful Place 19:43, May 10, 2013 (UTC)
  10. Altaïr Skywalker 47 Pigeon Coop 16:25, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

The vote's concluded, the Revelations render won with overwhelming majority. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 07:59, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

....and I am very happy about it. But someone really needs to revamp this page. Altaïr Skywalker 47 Pigeon Coop 15:08, June 12, 2013 (UTC)

AC4[edit source]

Shouldnt we say how he is mentioned in AC3 and AC4? -- awyman13 Talk Work 21:44, December 25, 2013 (UTC)

I don't think anything significant could be added from him being mentioned. --Revan's Exile (talk) 22:25, December 25, 2013 (UTC)

I mean write AC4 in the appearance section of the infobox with (mentioned) next to it. The same could go for Connor who was also mentioned -- awyman13 Talk Work 22:34, December 25, 2013 (UTC)
There could go a piece into the legacy section about Altaïr's life being analyzed by Abstergo Entertainment for possible games. However, since the article is being reworked by Darkfeather, I think it'd be best to leave it alone for now and wait until it's been revamped :) Crook The Constantine District 22:36, December 25, 2013 (UTC)
If you wish to add information, contact Dark about it on his talkpage. --Fragment -Animus- 00:19, December 26, 2013 (UTC)
As you yourself have said awtman13, the Infobox field is for 'appearances'. Altaïr did not appear in AC4, he was only mentioned. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 10:43, December 26, 2013 (UTC)
A mention in a single sentence throughout the entire game doesn't constitute appearance in any way. That's like saying Ezio appeared in AC3 because Achilles did a namedrop during his first meeting with Connor. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 11:26, December 26, 2013 (UTC)
How about a mention in the trivia about how Abstergo Entertainment chose to pass on the "Altair property"? I think that would pretty much cover it. -Molotov.cockroach (talk) 03:34, December 27, 2013 (UTC)
That might work, since it's an interesting tidbit. We'd have to apply it to Ezio, Connor, Aveline and Edward's pages, with the latter two being positive picks of course. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 11:35, December 27, 2013 (UTC)
^ I agree of what Kain said, and I think it will be the most likely to happen... -- AgentG231 (talk) 12:12, December 27, 2013 (UTC)
I think we should include that Altair appeared in Brotherhood, 3 and 4 because he made a cameo in Brotherhood and mentioned shown in 3 and 4. —unsigned comment by 76.94.152.159 (talk · contr)
An outfit available for the protagonist does not equal a cameo. A mention is a mention, not a cameo, either. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 17:03, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

List of weapons and tools[edit source]

I just created a list of weapons and tools used by Atair and it immediately got deleted. I'm curious as to why this wiki doesn't contain this kind of information? As a gamer and a wiki reader, I find this kind of information is extremely useful. What I don't like about this wiki is that it treats everything like a novel, e.g. "In the middle age, the assassins wear this and use that, blah blah". Obviously, many of these things are just gameplay elements and as a game wiki, it should contain relevant gameplay information, not a work of literature. Arcius 00:50, January 10, 2014 (UTC)

We've moved away from OOU information some time ago. Plus, while it's true that we're a wiki about a game series, we're not a walkthrough. Most, if not all, of the info you've added can be found on the respective pages of these weapons and tools, which were linked previously in the body of that section. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 01:00, January 10, 2014 (UTC)
Well, if it's the site's policy then I respect it. Still, I think the articles about weapons and tools are somewhat lacking and not very well organized. Arcius 07:44, January 10, 2014 (UTC)

Youngest Mentor?[edit source]

If the information on this wiki is true—if Altaïr truly became the Mentor of the Levantine Assassins in 1191—doesn't that make him not only the youngest known Master Assassin, but Mentor as well?

If this is true, and Altaïr truly is, as of now, the youngest known Assassin Mentor in history, I think it's worth mentioning in the trivia section or alongside mentions of him being the youngest to attain the Master Assassin title-rank. It would be very informative and substantial trivia, I feel, as most fans seemingly don't know this. 184.6.41.70 01:47, September 29, 2015 (UTC)

It is true, and yes, he was the youngest Mentor on record. I don’t really see this as being substantive or relevant enough for a trivia point, however. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 07:39, September 29, 2015 (UTC)
I would agree, except the Frye twins are likely to outdo Altaïr when it comes to being the youngest Master Assassin. I don't see why we can't add the bit about Altaïr being the youngest known Mentor though. Crook The Constantine District 12:50, September 29, 2015 (UTC)
^ The Frye twins are not specifically stated as being Master Assassins especially the youngest to do so becuase in the in-game universe of 2012 in the database entry for AC3 Shaun says that Altair is the youngest Master Assassin so that means that any assassin prior of 2012 did not usurp Altair as the youngest Master Assassin. Also the 2015 in-game universe data base entires (especially for Syndicate) do not refer to them as being Master Assassins and does not discredit the information in 2012. ConmanWAR (talk) 00:25, November 4, 2015 (UTC)

Can we add to the sentence "Altaïr became a Master Assassin at age 25, the youngest ever to obtain the rank" to "Altair became a Master Assassin at the age of 25  and Mentor at the 26, the youngest in the brotherhood's history to obtain these ranks"? It's more lore correct. ConmanWAR (talk) 00:20, November 4, 2015 (UTC)

Syrian[edit source]

Is the classification of Altaïr as "Syrian" confirmed in canon? Although the region he grew up in and lived all his life corresponds to modern Syria and also with the area called Syria by the Greeks and Romans, this wasn't a nationality during his time as Syria as a sovereign state did not arise until after World War I. Syria as a unified cultural identity also did not exist in his time. If we were talking about the region, it is probably more correct to say Levantine, as sources use that term instead. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 20:59, December 30, 2016 (UTC)

  • His branch of assassins are known as Levantine. --Revan's Exile (talk) 21:32, December 30, 2016 (UTC)
    • "Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad (1165 – 1257) was a Syrian-born member of the Levantine Brotherhood of Assassins and served as their Mentor from 1191 until his death in 1257."
So should we remove this part of the first line about him being "Syrian-born"? Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 02:11, December 31, 2016 (UTC)
The Encyclopedia does call him Syrian. Comparatively IRL wikipedia categorizes Rashid ad-Din Sinan as a Syrian Ismaili. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 03:54, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
Yes, but in both cases they may be being loose with the name. Speaking from an international relations background, this is a common type of mistake even in political science literature due to the presentist bias of many writers. I do think an argument can be made that it's valid since the region had already been called Syria in Roman times as a province, so that the name is not entirely anachronistic. Also, I am assuming Syria can also be treated as a translation of the Arabic name ash-Shām, but from Wikipedia, it sounds like this is just an alternative translation from "Levant". In that case, we might treat Levantine and Syrian as interchangeable names for the same thing, but Assassin's Creed sources have not used "Syrian" in a very long time, and I would still be hesitant to do so. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 05:51, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
Fair enough just wanted to give examples. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 07:00, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Name etymology[edit source]

How come is the meaning of his name not mentioned? It's noted his first name is after the star, but it could be added that "ibn la-ahad" means "son of no one". If you want citation for this, generic online translators won't get it. But you can look in an Arabic dictionary to see that ابن is "son" and لا أحد means "no one". Bottlewater (talk) 02:23, January 26, 2017 (UTC)

I could've sworn this article once mentioned it; I do not know why it does not anymore. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 02:44, January 26, 2017 (UTC)
One might also mention that if they intended his given name to mean "eagle", they missed - the full name of the star is an-Nasr at-Tā'ir, "the Flying Eagle", with the noun "eagle" coming first (ie, "Nasr"). And what in the world possessed them to throw in an ï? Duneflower (talk) 20:26, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
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