User talk:Crookandcharlatan/Archive 2

Unity

Thank you for the advice! There are many categories for Unity, so it can get confusing sometimes. I will definitely take your advice and improve my work. Saving Private Ryan (talk) 17:45, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

Liberation

Hey Crook......

What is the difference between the real life liberation and the in-game liberation???

And in which of the two does it say that you (player) purchased it from abstergo??

Jayam, I'm going to reiterate what Sima said. It's getting a tad annoying answering your questions when you can find the answers yourself by reading the relevant pages.

"In-game Liberation" is the Abstergo entertainment product, "real life Liberation" is Assassin's Creed III: Liberation, the Ubisoft game originally released on PS Vita and then ported to PS3, Xbox360 and PC. Aside from that, there are no real differences - one exists inside a fictional universe, the other exists in the real world. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 16:50, December 4, 2014 (UTC)

Frontier

Crook, after Lessons and Revelations when you're in freeroam, I assume you can't just leg it to the other end of the Homestead and try heading for the Frontier, right? Is a path even there, or a memory wall pops up to threaten you with desync like a club bouncer? --Kainzorus Prime ⚜ ^{Walkie-talkie} 21:24, December 5, 2014 (UTC)

I actually didn't think to try that - I remember going in the direction of where Myriam's hunting cabin would be in AC3. A memory wall popped up eventually and, following it, seemed to be put there to block my way to the beach - it was gone after I completed Lessons and Revelations. I didn't try in the opposite direction (I think I didn't even travel to the bridge over the river :s). I'll have a look when time allows. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 21:28, December 5, 2014 (UTC)

I had a go today. Animus walls on all sides, I'm afraid. You can cross the river via the bridge, but the Animus wall pops up immediately after, so you can't go to the area where all the residents will have their homes, or beyond. The cliff that Shay eventually ends up at, chased by all the Assassins, in "Freewill" is also off-limits actually.

Checked out the little house where you find Faulkner in AC3 as well, but there was nothing of note there either. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 15:46, December 8, 2014 (UTC)

Rogue Protagonist

That sucks oh well. But why would they change Silent Protagonist with the drop of a hat they aren't like the historical Assassins. With the Historical Assassins I get why but with the Silent Protagonist it makes no sense. I mean are they going to have new Silent Protagonist in every new Assassin's Creed game. --Cococrash11 (talk) 00:05, December 6, 2014 (UTC)

My wires

They are not crossed. Originally, I was going to chock that up to writing those templates at midnight, but I checked the guide just to make sure :P Stormbeast ♉ ^{The Helpful Place} 00:18, December 6, 2014 (UTC)

Woops. My bad, Storm :p Silly game guide makers got their wires crossed then. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 08:55, December 6, 2014 (UTC)

<small>

So, that argument is missing in all BH/RV fullsynchs, and pretty sure in most of 3 as well. We'll have to both rectify that sometime. --Kainzorus Prime ⚜ ^{Walkie-talkie} 21:44, December 8, 2014 (UTC)

Do ACB and ACR have more than one fullsync requirement? Memories with only one don't need the <small> code. Stormbeast ♉ ^{The Helpful Place} 21:49, December 8, 2014 (UTC)

Don't they? Whoops, I might've put some of Liberation's memories that have one 1 full sync constraint in <small>. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 21:56, December 8, 2014 (UTC)

We're making this happen. For unification's sake. --Kainzorus Prime ⚜ ^{Walkie-talkie} 16:21, December 9, 2014 (UTC)

Fiiiiiine. So, we're fixing the sizes of the full sync constraints. Shall I start with Revelations then? Crook ^{The Constantine District} 16:29, December 9, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I'll tackle BH and AC3. --Kainzorus Prime ⚜ ^{Walkie-talkie} 16:30, December 9, 2014 (UTC)

'Kay. Are we putting all full sync constraints small, or only the memories that have multiple ones? I'm guessing the former, seeing as I can't remember Brotherhood/Revelations having more than one. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 16:34, December 9, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, we're going Full Spectrum Warrior on all of them. --Kainzorus Prime ⚜ ^{Walkie-talkie} 17:36, December 9, 2014 (UTC)

Slash

I noticed that you've been adding slashes in the dialogue coding. Both I, Crimson and Slate have been removing those since they just add unnecessary coding. Does it actually change anything?--Bovkaffe (talk) 11:02, December 14, 2014 (UTC)

It doesn't, but I am not really the one adding them. Ever since the third memory or so for Rogue, I've just used <br> to move down snippets of dialogue. I think Wikia adds those 'slashes' automatically, so there's not much that I can do about it.

I don't think there's any difference between <br> and <br/> btw, so it's a tad annoying. Sorry :s Crook ^{The Constantine District} 11:11, December 14, 2014 (UTC)

Initiates

Where did you get those nice improved images?--Bovkaffe (talk) 14:40, December 18, 2014 (UTC)

Here. If there's one thing Access the Animus is good for, it's finding artists that worked on the franchise :) Crook ^{The Constantine District} 14:43, December 18, 2014 (UTC)

IRC

Could you meet me on the IRC at some point in the future? I have a favour to beg of you. --Crimson Knight _Intercom 15:16, December 20, 2014 (UTC)

I'll be there in 30-ish minutes. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 15:20, December 20, 2014 (UTC)

UPDATE: Make that 'the amount of time it takes me to install a client'. Which, considering my general ineptitude, I don't count being anytime soon tbh. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 16:04, December 20, 2014 (UTC)

Aw well. Let me know when you're available. There's no rush. --Crimson Knight _Intercom 16:08, December 20, 2014 (UTC)

I'm there and ready to chew Sima out for being all "get a client it's easy bitch". Crook ^{The Constantine District} 16:30, December 20, 2014 (UTC)

Oh balls, I completely forgot about this, sorry. I won't really be available much until the 31st, so I hope that works for you. But I have something else to ask. When you played Rogue, did you get Altaïr, Ezio, Connor, Edward, or Arno outfits? Because I should have received them all (except Arno's), but I haven't yet. --Crimson Knight _Intercom 01:36, December 27, 2014 (UTC)

I'll try to be there, if I don't forget :p As for the legacy costumes in Rogue, I don't have them either. I frankly doubt they're in there tbh, but who knows. I wonder if someone has a video of Shay in the legacy outfits :s Crook ^{The Constantine District} 09:11, December 27, 2014 (UTC)

Well, there's this.

I am peeved. I really want to run around in Edward's robes. --Crimson Knight _Intercom 14:33, December 27, 2014 (UTC)

Sharks

Heeeey! Thanks for getting me out of trouble! Oh, and sh**, i left a post on MasterYiSama or whatever's talk page cause it was at the bottom... -_-. Anyways, Great White Sharks are only found in Serranilla and Charlotte, apparently, I found it in the fine print of a gaming article.

Sima is our bureaucrat - the person in charge if you will. He won't mind your message being there :) Thanks for looking that up, I couldn't find it myself. Just to clarify, I don't edit maliciously. If I remove stuff you wrote, it's because it isn't written according to the rules - I will adapt it if I can, but if it's "out-of-universe" information, it probably can't be salvaged. Alright, thanks for reading ^^ Crook ^{The Constantine District} 14:58, December 29, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, we quite obviously disagree on the Great White Shark page... xD. Anyways, I do most certainly think that the Introduction requires a heading, otherwise, it looks strangely tacky (in my personal opinion). Also, if anyone wants actual information on Great White Sharks, they can head over to Wikipidia, but I thought the point of Wikia was to provide facts specificly tailored to the needs of the subject that you created the wikia off of. In this case, we're supposed to provide information about the games, not really Great White Sharks in general... But that is a very decent filler.

Sorry - as I've said in the message on you talkpage, the Assassin's Creed Wiki takes an in-universe approach. It is written like Wikipedia on purpose. It's not merely a personal taste, it's a general rule that editors abide by. I realize this approach might not make every visitor happy, but it's the approach that's been chosen. We aim to be an encyclopedia, not a game guide :s Crook ^{The Constantine District} 15:22, December 29, 2014 (UTC)

IRC Problem

Hey, I just wanted to ask how to exactly talk on or even go to the IRC......everytime I go there it asks me my nickname and when I enter it, it always says tha my nick isn't registered...so everytime I enter my email adress, password and then I enter the code sent to my email and then the next time I go on the IRC it asks me to registrate my nick......what's up with that?????

I even have the App 'Hexchat' but there I don't know which lobby is good......or anything. But it doesn't matter as I don't know anybody except the admins and staff members' names........well, except you.

Jayam (talk) 10:20, January 5, 2015 (UTC)

Uh well, you can select "Beginner", which'll take you to the "Connect to Xertion IRC" page. If you've registered your name, all you need to do is type it in. The channel should be filled in already, but if it isn't, type #ACWiki. Press enter, at which point it should ask you to fill in your password.

After that, you should be in. Though webchat can get a bit wonky sometimes :s Some people recommend Hexchat and the like, but I know nothing about how those work so, I can't help you there, I'm afraid.

Nowadays there's not always people, but you'll generally see some of the staff members' names in the list on the right. Storm will usually respond, Sima might not (his nick is always on the list, but he might not actually be present in the chatroom). Crook ^{The Constantine District} 10:29, January 5, 2015 (UTC)

IRC Contd.

Hey, the registration problem is finished....thankfully....but i still don't know where to type....or how to respond...that's why i'm not able to respond to you!!

And I still don't know why is Hexchat there when one can talk on the IRC and what lobbies are good where I can actually talk to other people .... Jayam (talk) 10:35, January 5, 2015 (UTC)

There should be a bar at the bottom of the chatroom. Just type in your message there and hit enter :)

Well Hexchat is kind of a different "engine", so to speak. It'll send you to the same chatroom, the layout might just be a little different. As for other lobbies, dunno :P I've only used the irc to chat with the wiki people.Crook ^{The Constantine District} 10:38, January 5, 2015 (UTC)

And now again its saying to registrate...and that my nickname is already in use.....this happenned after i accidentally reloaded the page....  :/!!

Jayam (talk) 10:41, January 5, 2015 (UTC)

Wait a short time before logging in again, the previous "you" (the nickname that's already in use) will log out automatically after a minute or so. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 10:43, January 5, 2015 (UTC)

Re:Images

Alright. Thanks for the info.--SlugDrones • (Contact) 08:57, January 16, 2015 (UTC)

No problem; I found a higher quality version of the image you uploaded by the way. You can find it here. If you have any further questions regarding the sourcing of images, feel free to leave me a message. (I won't be able to respond immediately as I have to take an exam soon, but I'll be able to reply to you later today, if necessary). Crook ^{The Constantine District} 09:00, January 16, 2015 (UTC)

Hi

Iron Man, Crook. Iron Man. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 12:16, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

Not now, Sima. I has a lot of material to get through by Wednesday :| Iron Man will have to wait for now. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 12:20, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

Material, Crook. Material. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 12:23, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

Focus, Crook, Focus. --Fragment ^-Animus- 16:41, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

Eat a cookie, Crook, eat a cookie. Slate Vesper (talk) 17:58, January 28, 2015 (UTC)

Encyclopedia

Crook, can you check to see if the Observatory is referred to as a temple or vault in the Encyclopedia? Does the Jerusalem entry still refer to the location where Altaïr retrieved the Apple of Eden as a First Civilization vault? Are the Memory Seals and Prophecy Disks labelled as Pieces of Eden? -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 13:07, January 28, 2015 (UTC)

Will Ricardo recover from his sudden coma? Will we find out if Maria two-times on him while he lays in his hospital bed? Will we ever discover the link between Ricardo and his long-lost missing step-half-twin brother?! Find out next time on Los Hospital de Amor! *Spicy Mexican theme with maracas plays* Slate Vesper (talk) 17:58, January 28, 2015 (UTC)

Jajaja. Has hecho un error, Slate. Es El Hospital. Vas a avergonzado jajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajaja. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 18:04, January 28, 2015 (UTC)

Game Patch Request By March 10

Hello There, I Just wanted to let you know that AC:Rogue has major bugs in naval gamplay and the combat in this game.

List of In-Game Problems

• Problem 1: How come british ships are coyping the names form Assasisin's creed IV:Black Flag?

• Problem 2: How did the british troops attack shay while he is a templar? and French troops attack him as an Assassin; Doesn't he help them win the Seven Years War?

• Problem 3: Why Didn't the Russian/Spainish ships appeared in the game?; They were supposed to be fighting alongside the French.

• Problem 4: Why did the Naval Battle music plays only one song.

• Problem 5: Why there are only (12 Ship of the line/Man O' War), (9 frigate), (10 brig) and (14 schonner), ship names in the french navy fleet?

• Problem 6: How there are only Two levels of Man O' War 36 and 49 in this game. They should range from levels 30 (56 Firepower-8 Speed), 36 (63 Firepower-9 Speed), 49 (66 Firepower-20 Speed), 60 (70 Firepower -30 Speed), and 73 (82 Firepower-44 Speed).

• Problem 7: How come the Legendary Battles copied the ships from black flag?

• Problem 8: The French ships 'colors of the sails and hulls are not exactly the actual color in the seven years war.

• Problem 9: The last and the most serious problem of the game are the graphics. They tend to glitch randomly in the game.

And btw, Tell Ubisoft Games about that.

74.245.51.233 04:41, February 15, 2015 (UTC)

I don't work for Ubisoft. Also, none of things you're listing are "bugs", except for the last one :s Crook ^{The Constantine District} 08:26, February 15, 2015 (UTC)

Source

Since you always find concept pieces, would you trace this to its origin? --Kainzorus Prime ⚜ ^{Walkie-talkie} 20:45, February 15, 2015 (UTC)

Is this your own scan? I can't really say anything from looking at the piece of art itself. Usually I find concept art by looking for an artist's watermark ^^; If the scan's yours, you could check the names listed in the credits of the art book (this is a scan from the art book, yes?), and we could narrow it down from there.

My guess right now (that isn't really based on anything) would probably be Patrick Lambert :P Unfortunately, he posts none of his work online so there's no way I could check. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 20:51, February 15, 2015 (UTC)

Nah, I nabbed it from german wiki when looking for how much images were stolen from us by now. Sometimes I find things like this over there, though. --Kainzorus Prime ⚜ ^{Walkie-talkie} 20:58, February 15, 2015 (UTC)

Papers Please

Ok no need to jell (which i say a lot), now i fixed the mistake i made but just to be fair i checked the date on the game it only said it came out in 2013 i could not have know that, but the point is i fixed it and i will not try again. --Ghost127 (talk) 19:42, February 22, 2015 (UTC)-Ghost127

Don't worry about it, and thanks for fixing it so quickly. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 19:48, February 22, 2015 (UTC)

FA

Heya Crook. I closed the vote on Agate. I trust you know the userbox code by now. Also, if anyone helped out with the revamp, please pass the message along. That's all. :) Nesty ^{Contact me!} 15:51, February 23, 2015 (UTC)

Sourcing images

Is that really such a priority here? Your buddy here does not appear to be very versed in the ways of copyright, yet he has uploaded several images with faulty licensing information. None of his uploads are CC BY-SA 3.0 by any stretch of the imagination, all are clearly copyrighted and could only be spammed like that via fair use. None of the other wikias seem particularly bothered by that. As far as my image, that is the only perspective that the game gives. Pixel Cube (talk) 14:30, March 2, 2015 (UTC)

Sourcing images is a priority here, yes - unsourced images will be deleted. I'll make sure to alert TheHiddenBlade as to the correct licensing method. As for your own image, I'd suggest moving it to the Easter Eggs article. Thank you for your quick response :) Crook ^{The Constantine District} 14:36, March 2, 2015 (UTC)

IRC

Can you come meet me on the IRC? I've got something I'd like to discuss with you. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 13:00, March 13, 2015 (UTC)

I will be back in a minute or so lol. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 13:34, March 13, 2015 (UTC)

French oral exams

Do you have any advice on performing speaking tests in French? I'm not asking because I have one tomorrow and my cascade of other schoolwork has left me with very little time to prepare. :) --Crimson Knight _Intercom 18:09, March 16, 2015 (UTC)

Have some dame blanche for dessert and a croissant for breakfast. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 18:16, March 16, 2015 (UTC)

*instant Frenchness achieved* --Crimson Knight _Intercom 18:17, March 16, 2015 (UTC)

Uhhhh, sorry Crims. It's been a looooong time since I've spoken French. In fact the last time I did it was on the phone and my brain literally shut down lol. I'm not sure what kind of advice I could give? :s Crook ^{The Constantine District} 18:50, March 16, 2015 (UTC)

Omelette au fromage. They should be awestruck that you said it correctly, using au instead of du. If they aren't, just tell them they're uncouth wankers for missing Dexter's Lab reference, flip the table and leave the room. --Kainzorus Prime ⚜ ^{Walkie-talkie} 19:05, March 16, 2015 (UTC)

Well, I did the test today, and I think I did alright. Counts for 30% of my final grade though, which is daunting. Still, thank you all for you advice.

I have to admit though, I can't wait until May, when I'll never have to speak French again. Decided to drop it as a subject. --Crimson Knight _Intercom 22:20, March 17, 2015 (UTC)

You are most welcome. If you ever need any more life advice I'll be there. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 23:25, March 17, 2015 (UTC)

All hail Sima, the Supreme Overlord of Advice and Recommendation! Nesty ^{Contact me!} 00:36, March 18, 2015 (UTC)

Oi. He's not taking credit for flipping the table. --Kainzorus Prime ⚜ ^{Walkie-talkie} 01:01, March 18, 2015 (UTC)

Response

I understand madam I will not do anything like this again.

Assassin Abdullah (talk) 11:11, March 28, 2015 (UTC)

Not actually a madam, but thanks for your quick response :P Crook ^{The Constantine District} 11:18, March 28, 2015 (UTC)

Thank you madam,

For correcting my mistakes —unsigned comment by Assassin Abdullah (talk · contr)

I don't enjoy stealing other people's messages, but Crook is not a "madam". He just said so himself. --Crimson Knight _Intercom 11:32, March 28, 2015 (UTC)

Only as far as Crook knows, Crimson. Only as far as he knows. --Kainzorus Prime ⚜ ^{Walkie-talkie} 13:10, March 28, 2015 (UTC)

Modern Day Events' Purpose

Hey........its me again! :P......i've been meaning to ask this for a long time........my question is...

Why exactly are the players i AC Unity and Rogue reliving memories........is there any purpose of the Assassins or Templars???

Like in the previous games it was to acquire the location of the Apple of eden or to acquire the location of the Grand Temple Key, Observatory.....to make Desmond come out of his Coma......

So is there any purpose for reliving the memories of Shay Cormac and Arno Dorian?????

If yes....what are the factions upto??? What are they trying to achieve this time?????

And what happenned when the Templars did find the Observatory??? I haven't played AC4 and neither AC rogue or Unity so i don't now their modern day events and their purposes........

Jayam (talk) 15:23, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

In Unity, both the Assassins and Templars are trying to find the remains of Sages. The Templars want to sequence a full genome of Precursor DNA, so they can get more insight into the First Civilization, while the Assassins are working against this. That's why some random shmuck gets contacted by Bishop to look into Arno's memories, because he encountered (and killed) a Sage, so the Assassins would be able to locate the Sage's body via his memories.

In Rogue, a person at Abstergo was doing their work, but triggered some type of virus when reliving one of Shay Cormac's memories. This alerts Violet da Costa and Juhani Otso Berg, both relatively high-ranking Templars from Sigma Team, to the memories of Shay Cormac. In essence, I think it's Otso Berg that desired to collect footage from Shay Cormac's memories to demoralize the remaining Modern Day Assassins.

The Templars attempted to find the Observatory, but found that the Assassins managed to bury it somewhere in the 18th century. The excavation has been deprioritized, if I memory serves. I think that should answer your questions, but you can check with other users, I might have gotten some things wrong; it's been a while since I played Rogue and Unity ^^; Crook ^{The Constantine District} 15:32, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

So aren't the Templars doing anything to conquer people's minds.....to have control on them at this moment?????

And what about Juno and her threat and all that stuff??

Jayam (talk) 16:35, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

I don't think the "mind control" thing is on the Templars' agenda at the moment. They're aware of Juno and her little faction, but I don't think the Templars are actively working against them. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 16:45, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

Everything is depicted quite clearly in the games. The Templars don't want to "conquer people's minds". They want to rule over them as benevolent dictators, not enslave them. Juno's currently using her minions, the Instruments of the First Will, to get everyone to upload their digital consciousness into the Grey to live under her rule.

All the answers to your questions are on the wiki. Please take a look around. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 16:46, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

Handbook

Hey, Crook

Sima told me you had the Abstergo Entertainment Handbook, and I've read that it has a profile on Mirabeau and describes some of the items linked with the Assassin hidout in the Sainte-Chapelle. Do you know if any of that info is new, or is it already mentioned in Unity? I'm rather interested in the Mirabeau part since I've updated his page to include everything from Unity, but I don't have the Handbook. I don't know if it's too much trouble to transcibe Mirabeau's profile.--Bovkaffe (talk) 20:20, June 14, 2015 (UTC)

I can't do it this week, but I'll try and get around to it somewhere next week. Feel free to send me a reminder, I might forget. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 07:07, June 15, 2015 (UTC)

Not to rush you or anything, but just a reminder.--Bovkaffe (talk) 23:38, June 24, 2015 (UTC)

No worries, I needed that reminder. It's quite a bit of text, so hopefully there's something in there you can use in the article. Make sure to cross-reference; the book makes a math mistake with Mirabeau's age right out of the gate :P Here you go:

QUOTE

"Nothing baffles the schemes of evil people so much as the calm composure of great souls." - Honoré Gabriel Riqueti, Comte de Mirabeau

MIRABEAU FAST FACTS

• Born 3/9/1749; died 4/2/1791; aged 43.
• Imprisoned no less than four times to escape his debts and once tried to avoid a death sentence for the seduction and abduction of another man's wife.
• Worked as a pamphleteer for hire and as Louis XVI's secret agent.
• Attempted to win the support of his father for election into the Estates-General by dedicating a book about the Prussian monarchy to him.
• Mirabeau was born with a twisted foot, a deformed tongue, and two fully grown teeth. It is said the first words said to his father upon the presentation of his son were, "Do not be alarmed."

IMPRESSIONS OF HIM

I can understand why Arno's father and M. de la Serre trusted this man. Despite human weaknesses, he grasps the potential of human greatness.

BIOGRAPHY

History already regards Honoré Gabriel Riqueti, Comte de Mirabeau as a complex and difficult man to fathom. Surely if they had known about his role as the Mentor of the Assassin Order during the early stages of the French Revolution, historians would be even more at odds as to whether the man was a great leader who might have prevented the Reign of Terror, a demagogue, or a traitor

Mirabeau suffered from smallpox at the age of three, which left his face disfigured. Despite this seeming disadvantage, he had a deserved reputation as ladies' man and was involved in numerous affaires de coeur, some of which were quite scandalous and landed him in prison.

During his time in prison, his writing - both erotic and political - came to the fore. He made the acquaintances of the Marquis de Sade while both were confined in the castle of Vincennes, although they later grew to heartily despise one another. Here, too, Mirabeau began to perfect his political voice, eventually turning the tables on those who had stood against him. He wrote Des Letters de Cachet et des prisons d'état, an indictment of the practice by which one could be imprisoned without benefit of trial merely by producing a letter signed by the king.

Burdened, supposedly, by prison time, scandals, and a famously poor relationship with his father (who often imprisoned him), Mirabeau's reputation was less than stellar in some circles, but the public grew to admire him. His kindnesses and consideration for the lower classes appear to have been genuine, not an act. The pay his servants received was more than generous, and he apparently looked after the medical needs of his staff's children as if they were his own.

He became something of an Anglophile, visiting England after his paper on the lettres de cachet proved to be popular there, and was acquainted with Americans Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson. Later, he would propose a constitutional monarchy for France similar to the English model.

He produced other writings that attacked everything from financial speculation to the Prussian Court, and was perfectly positioned when the king made his decision to summon the Estates-General - a gathering of all the Estates of the Realm: the First (clergy), the Second (nobles), and Third Estate (the common people). Rejected when he attemped to assist as a member of the Second Estate, Mirabeau was accepted by the Third Estate. Mirabeau took full advantage of this opportunity to shine and rose to power on his popularity and his reasoned idealism.

The Third Estate broke away to re-envision itself under the name the National Assembly, taking the so-called "Tennis Court Oath" to create a new constitution on June 20, 1789. Mirabeau was among them, and would be elected its president on January 30, 1791. He was also a member of the Jacobin Club, which would become infamous for the "Reign of Terror" under Maximilien Robespierre.

His death in April 1790 (from, we now know, decidedly unnatural causes) was greatly mourned. In his honor, the Paris Pantheon was changed from a church, the Abbey of St. Genevieve, to a mausoleum for France's great men.

That sentiment did not last long, once incriminating letters were found in 1792 that proved that the beloved Mirabeau had been serving as a secret advisor to Louis XIV.

Aaaand that's all. If you need any more information on other characters, I might just scan the pages. Less typing :P Crook ^{The Constantine District} 16:02, June 25, 2015 (UTC)

This is most certainly useful, thank you. I might ask for more of the profiles later on.--Bovkaffe (talk) 16:50, June 25, 2015 (UTC)

Templars

So, just to be clear....the Templars are trying to find the sages so that they can get more info about the First Civ. and they wanna do this so that they can easily rule over people right?? they wanted the apple of eden and the observatory so that they could easily rule over people....right?? everything that the templars want ....they want it so that they can use that particular thing (which they're trying to find) to rule over people.........am i correct??

And how did reliving shay cormac's memory help the templars...did they just want to intimidate the Assassins or did they achieve something else by reliving his memories?

Jayam (talk) 20:22, June 14, 2015 (UTC)

I assume "control" is still their ultimate goal, but I'm not sure if the whole Sage deal factors into that very much; it might just be to learn more on the first civ and potentially acquire new artifacts. I'm a bit hazy on the whole thing myself.

Reliving Shay's memories did not achieve very much; Otso Berg apparently wanted to make a video using the footage to demoralize the Assassins, but that's basically it, as far as I know. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 07:07, June 15, 2015 (UTC)

Toussaint

Do as you please with Toussaint, I will not touch the page again.

I am well aware of the need to change history to make certain truth softer for arrogance.

But understand that the revolt was a true slave revolt against slave owners not a race war. These word games are nothing more than "poor white man" trope. Those people were killed for slavery and not for race. Even the Wikipedia Entry of Dessalines admits that. This was not a race revolution it was a slave rebellion.

I just wanted record of what you all are doing here for the sake of vanity.

165.134.10.6 17:42, July 1, 2015 (UTC)Haitian165.134.10.6 17:42, July 1, 2015 (UTC)

I was merely trying to make peace. I am not trying reinforce any kind of narrative for political reasons - I will check back what Bovkaffe's source was in regards to his decision to use "whites", rather than "slave owners". Possibly he mimicked Ubisoft's own wording in this case - would not be an excuse, but it would at least be an explanation.

And as an aside, since you apparently find it necessary to underline your heritage, perhaps you could at least muster some respect in regards to Bovkaffe's. Sweden is not Denmark by any stretch of the imagination. Thanks for reading. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 17:48, July 1, 2015 (UTC)

Vandal

http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/24.167.141.118

Fairly sure this is a vandal.--Bovkaffe (talk) 23:18, July 1, 2015 (UTC)

Dealt with it. Crook doesn't have admin rights, Nesty does. Amnestyyy (Contact me!) <helper /> 23:25, July 1, 2015 (UTC)

Deers, databases and Defaultsorts

Um hi, i wish im not interrupting you but i was editing this deer ACBF database and i found out that there are 2 articles about deers: one from AC3 and the other one i mentioned. If I rename the ACBF deer, wouldn't it affect the AC3 deer? I'm sorry, im a noob. Thanks, anyway. :D Misphantom (talk) 09:01, July 2, 2015 (UTC)

"Feel free to ask me anything regarding the Wiki and I'll try to answer as best I can." Don't worry, I don't bite :P

As for your issue, no worries. Individuals like Aveline, Achilles and Adéwalé have appeared in multiple games and received different database entries. To differentiate them, simply put the name of the game from which the database entry came in parentheses. For example, Aveline has two: Database: Aveline de Grandpré (Liberation) and Database: Aveline de Grandpré (Black Flag).

Ezio has a whopping four database entries, so you can check that one as well as an example, if you wish :P For the deer database entries, you can distinguish them by adding (Asssassin's Creed III) to one and (Black Flag) to the other. And that's all there's to it :) Hopefully I've cleared that up for you - and thank you again for all the work you've done on the recategorization of the database entries and writing up some of the locations from Assassin's Creed: Rogue. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 09:37, July 2, 2015 (UTC)

Undo mistake

My mistake on that undo, just seemed off to me.<theproclamation> (talk) 21:45, July 2, 2015 (UTC)

No worries, it's a kind of policy change. I remember a few editors being quick to undo interwiki links in the past, but the admins have more or less decided there's no harm in having them on the page. We probably won't spend our time actively adding them to each article (at least I won't), but if somebody else is like "I'd like to add a link to the French/German/Spanish/... version of this article", they're free to do so :) Crook ^{The Constantine District} 21:51, July 2, 2015 (UTC)

Screenshots

Since you mentioned Made in Masyaf on Flickr, I noticed she has screenshots for almost everything in AC. Do you intend to upload them for the Unity memories?--Bovkaffe (talk) 22:12, July 6, 2015 (UTC)

I might do at some point - the problem is she only uses the default outfit up until "The Silversmith" memory. Also, the screencaps are mostly limited to cutscenes. I'll pick and choose some for the screenshots we can use, but beyond "The Silversmith", we'll still need to rely on DarkFeather. I hope Kain writes that appeal sometime soon tbh. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 22:17, July 6, 2015 (UTC)

A little explanation for Shao Jun's name.

Just sending some explanation about discussion in "Shao Jun" page.The part meaning "respectible or honorable one" is the "Jun",if it was pronounced "joon".Shao doesn't mean any absolute thing in most ancient time but a name,after the character took place.Sleeplust (talk) 15:23, July 8, 2015 (UTC)

Black Flag Manga

Um I saw the black flag manga on a website called Mangafox. I was wondering if I could upload images from the website, but idk if its legal because, you know, its sort of like piracy, if you get me. Reading published manga for free, in my opinion is not legal. Misphantom (talk) 09:55, July 15, 2015 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I've read some of it too. Absolutely terribly in my opinion :P But as for your question, I'm not sure. For the comics, I usually try to crop out a single panel and I erase the dialogue - check Arbaaz Mir, Pyara Kaur or Raza Soora for examples. You could try that approach, but I'd recommend you, just to be 100% safe, check with Sima before doing anything.

I hope that was helpful :P Crook ^{The Constantine District} 10:00, July 15, 2015 (UTC)

I'd once again like to point out that erasing the dialogue is not necessary, and I haven't seen any other wiki do it so far. In my opinion everything is preferable to a big white bulb of text so I'd prefer text not be removed (unless half the text bubble is removed). Just my two cents though. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 10:45, July 15, 2015 (UTC)

Image

Could you rename this to "A Dinner Engagement 12.png"?--Bovkaffe (talk) 22:08, July 18, 2015 (UTC)

Done. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 22:11, July 18, 2015 (UTC)

Also, I would appreciate it if you renamed this to "ACU Notre-Dame.png".--Bovkaffe (talk) 11:21, July 20, 2015 (UTC)

Sure :) Crook ^{The Constantine District} 11:22, July 20, 2015 (UTC)

I'm sorry I keep screwing up on the image names, but could you rename this to 7 instead of 8?--Bovkaffe (talk) 22:30, July 21, 2015 (UTC)

Fixed it. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 06:30, July 22, 2015 (UTC)

Hate to constantly bother you, but this needs to be named 9 instead of 10.--Bovkaffe (talk) 21:41, July 22, 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, bad internet connection prevented from doing it yesterday. It's fixed now. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 07:01, July 23, 2015 (UTC)

IRC

Hit me up on the IRC when you have the time, yo. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 16:26, July 22, 2015 (UTC)

The botnet attack is over, in case you were still wondering. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 15:11, August 10, 2015 (UTC)

Dialogue

Since you got all the dialogue in Hoarders, could you get it for some of the other memories? Off the top of my head, I can think of High Society, when Arno follows Élise through the hallways, The King's Correspondence when the thugs speak with each other inside the Tuileries, and The Temple where Germain's men speak with each other inside the tower. I haven't been able to get all of it, since it often gets cut off in the videos.--Bovkaffe (talk) 14:42, July 26, 2015 (UTC)

'Aight, I'll have a go :p Crook ^{The Constantine District} 15:02, July 26, 2015 (UTC)

By the way, I've noticed that Arno can interact with the bookshelves at the estate in High Society, so I think there's some more dialogue in that. Also, I missed some of the dialogue in The Infernal Machine (mainly in the first part on the rooftops). Finally, there's some unsubtitled dialogue between the guards at the armory in Arm the People. It would be great if you could get the dialogue in those memories. Edit: There's also some dialogue between the guards in front of the Panthéon in Moving Mirabeau.--Bovkaffe (talk) 15:14, August 12, 2015 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure I checked out those bookshelves while replaying the High Society memory, those are just the titles already mentioned on the memory article. I'll try for the Infernal Machine and the Moving Mirabeau missions, but I can't replay the "Arm the People" mission, it's a Paris Story. I'd have to wipe my save and start all over again to be able to play that memory again. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 15:41, August 12, 2015 (UTC)

Info.

Hey, sorry for disturbing you again and again, but i have a question (again) :P

Do the templars ever find out that Desmond saved the world?

And like the main games have Modern Day Events (except liberation) where either the Templars or the Assassins are trying to find or achieve something, do the spin-off games like Altair's Chronicles, Bloodlines, Discovery, Pirates, memories, recollection and project legacyalso have modern day events. I mean like in the main games....the factions are trying to achieve something.....that's why their members relive memories of ancestors.......so are they trying to achieve something in the spin off games too? Its hard to tell as there are no modern day events.

And I'm just confirming this, but Juno kills Lucy because she knows that she would shift Desmond from his path and then she (Juno) wouldn't be able to get hereself free, right? Cause she needs Desmond to set her free by making him save the world by touching or doing something with The Eye, right?

Jayam (talk) 14:39, July 31, 2015 (UTC)

Also are there any modern day events in Chronicles China? If yes..which faction is reliving them and why...If no....then is it only a game made to depict the story of 1 single charcter ? (ancestor)

Napoleon

Do you think you could render the left one of these?--Bovkaffe (talk) 07:36, August 3, 2015 (UTC)

Am I the go-to-guy for rendering now? :P I'll have a go, but keep in mind, I'm pretty slow at this. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 08:54, August 3, 2015 (UTC)

Nicely done, thanks.--Bovkaffe (talk) 19:42, August 3, 2015 (UTC)

No problem. God, I would kill (not literally) for images that good for the other characters >.> Crook ^{The Constantine District} 19:58, August 3, 2015 (UTC)

Flavigny

About that image of Flavigny...--Bovkaffe (talk) 15:02, August 8, 2015 (UTC)

Oh nice find! I must've seen that image but forgotten about it. I'll see about rendering it, I'm still working on Evie. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 15:53, August 8, 2015 (UTC)

Hello

Hello Aeathel (talk) 20:39, August 8, 2015 (UTC)

Hi, what's up? Crook ^{The Constantine District} 20:40, August 8, 2015 (UTC)

PW and novel

Alright, I think I got all the entries for Project Widow (although I think there's one for Élise that I haven't been able to find). Also, I found a website that has the full Unity novel, and I've put the link on my page.--Bovkaffe (talk) 18:10, August 10, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Bov :) I'd actually managed to find the Unity novel online as well, but it required membership on a forum, so yours is more practical for people not willing to go through that stuff. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 18:19, August 10, 2015 (UTC)

Sandbox

Can you tell me how to make my own sandbox? I've looked through Sekuiya's sandbox on the Initiates missions, but I've found more of the missions on YouTube.--Bovkaffe (talk) 20:28, August 13, 2015 (UTC)

Just go to User:Bovkaffe/Sandbox and you'll end up on an empty page you can use as your Sandbox :) Crook ^{The Constantine District} 20:55, August 13, 2015 (UTC)

IRC

hey......im having some kid of problem opening the IRC...it says hat my account is cached....and when it does open up.....my messages dont seem to get sent.....what is hapenning?

Jayam (talk) 14:37, August 14, 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure - maybe you should just wait a while before trying again? You might be having internet problems. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 14:43, August 14, 2015 (UTC)

Marie Antoinette

I know it might be a lot of text, but could you transcribe Marie Antoinette's profile from the Employee Handbook?--Bovkaffe (talk) 15:16, August 25, 2015 (UTC)

I'll put it on my to-do list. Won't be able to get round to it until Friday though, at the earliest. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 15:43, August 25, 2015 (UTC)

QUOTE

"Let them eat cake." - Falsely attributed to Marie Antoinette

MARIE ANTOINETTE FAST FACTS

• Born 11/2/1755; died 10/16/1793; aged 38.
• Upon her first presentation at the French capital, Marie was met by a crowd of parisians, and some 30 people were trampled to death in the excitement.
• Léonard Autié, the Queen's hairdresser, outfitted her elaborate poufs with enormous models such as a French warship to symbolize naval victory and the diorama of a club striking a snake to celebrate Louis' smallpox vaccination.
• Initially buried in an unmarked grave near the Church of the Madeline, Marie's body was later exhumed by King Louis XVIII and reburied inside the Basilica Cathedral of Saint-Denis.

BIOGRAPHY

Married at fourteen to her second cousin once removed, King Louis XVI of France Maria Antonia Josepha Johanna, better known as "Marie Antoinette," was France's final queen.

Deemed by her tutor to be "more intelligent than has been generally supposed," but also "rather lazy and extremely frivolous," the lively, outgoing Marie found marriage to the shy and rather ineffectual Louis to be unpleasant and dull. He chose to retire before midnight and rise early, whereas she enjoyed partying and gambling and slept until the afternoon. Considering they apparently were seldom awake in bed together, it is no great surprise that their first child wasn't conceived for eight years.

Marie had a private castle, the Petit Trianon, built just for her at Versailles, and in 1780 began spending more time there, almost always without Louis. Her obvious enjoyment of fashion and parties, in which she indulged extravagantly, made her an obvious target for resentment by a populace that regarded her as a foreigner. She became a symbol for the excesses of the Second Estate (the nobility). Nothing, it seemed, was beyond her in the eye of public opinion. The callous "let them eat cake" statement, supposedly a response to the fact that her poorer countrymen could not afford bread, was attributed to her without hesitation, and rumors of affairs and scandals swirled about her throughout her life. She was a popular subject of cartoons and pamphlets, and was dubbed "Madame Deficit."

Her reputation was dealt a terrible and irreparable blow by the "Affair of the Diamond Necklace" in 1785. In 1785 a thief posing as the queen stole a 647-diamond necklace that had once belonged to King Louis XV and smuggled it to London, where it was sold off in pieces. It was claimed that Marie Antoinette had been involved in the theft. Although she was innocent - indeed, she had been offered the necklace by her husband and had refused it - she was never able to shake the shadow of complicity.

On October 6, 1789, a crowd ten thousand strong gathered outside the Palace at Versailles, demanding that Louis and Marie be brought to Paris. When Louis appeared to be utterly unable to act, Marie instead met with advisors and ambassadors, begging for aid from other European monarchs. It was an effort doomed to failure.

With France at war with Prussia and Austria in the summer of 1792, Maximilien de Robespierre called for the removal of the king. The monarchy itself was abolished in September of that year. In January 1793, Marie Antoinette was made a widow when King Louis was executed by guillotine. Nine months later, Marie was to follow, after a degrading and agonizing trial complete with a false charge of molesting her own son.

Tadah? :P Crook ^{The Constantine District} 15:29, August 27, 2015 (UTC)

Wonderful, thanks!--Bovkaffe (talk) 15:35, August 27, 2015 (UTC)

Images

This needs to be numbered 6 instead of 14.--Bovkaffe (talk) 19:40, August 26, 2015 (UTC)

Done. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 19:47, August 26, 2015 (UTC)

I would also be grateful if you renamed this "The King's Correspondence 4.png".--Bovkaffe (talk) 19:13, August 30, 2015 (UTC)

At your command :P Crook ^{The Constantine District} 19:17, August 30, 2015 (UTC)

Joseph

Hey Crook,

I've found a better image for the Joseph page, but I'm not sure if we're allowed to use it and what the licensing is. I thought I'd ask you, since you know more about this than I do.--Bovkaffe (talk) 20:21, September 17, 2015 (UTC)

Pff, I'm pretty bad at licensing, I just slap {{Permission}} on everything :P I don't see anything wrong with using the higher quality image, though obviously it would no longer qualify as a screenshot. It seems like a very old work, so it's probably part of the Public Domain by now. Not sure what template that is though :s Crook ^{The Constantine District} 20:40, September 17, 2015 (UTC)

Chat

Does this wiki have a live chat or something? The wiki i mostly reside in does have one. So i would assume you do too.

~~False Shepherd~~

We do, it's an IRC channel, if you're familiar with those? Go to this page and click on "beginner" - all you need to do then is choose a nick and a password. Welcome to the wiki by the way, glad to have you :) Crook ^{The Constantine District} 08:39, September 27, 2015 (UTC)

I know of IRC chats, but i'm just used to all the wikis having chats. The wiki i'm always on also has comment sections at the bottom of pages (i'm sure you know what i mean) and thanks, glad to be here. Read my user page for details about me.

And how exactly do you feel about sourcing information?

~~ False Shepherd ~~

Yeah, I've seen other wikis have comment sections. This wiki has been around a long time, so I'm not sure when the decision was made to remove those. We do have forums for discussing subjects, and newsblogs, though those are basically only for the big announcements, like a new game being revealed.

Could you elaborate on that question? I think pretty much all information on an article should be sourced to somewhere, be that a game, comic or other piece of media. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 09:05, September 27, 2015 (UTC)

Well, what i'm asking is what are the standards for what information needs sourcing and what information does not require sourcing? On the wiki i'm on mostly, though it has a focus on facetious comedy and satire, we sometimes source things. But we don't source everything. Either because it's a low-brow joke or it's information that we'd assume people would already know.

So what standards do you have?

~~ False Shepherd ~~

Well, (nearly) each page has a Reference/References section at the bottom, which is where the information on the article comes from. If you're only using a single source, just list it at the bottom and you're fine. If you're using multiple, you need to notify in each paragraph what information comes from where. An introduction general needs no sourcing, unless information in there does not return anywhere else in the page.

We have a sourcing policy here, but it is a bit outdated, some of the newer entries into the franchise aren't mentioned there. If it's still not clear then, either try to edit as best you can (some of the other regulars will most likely catch any mistakes) or find an article of good quality that you can reference from.

I know I'm not the greatest at explanations, but you can always ask SimaDarkFeather or Nesty for further clarification on their talkpages :P Crook ^{The Constantine District} 09:27, September 27, 2015 (UTC)

Alrighty then. Do you have any questions for me?

~~False Shepherd~~

I read your bio, so nothing particularly urgent :P Will you be playing Syndicate on release or are you going to buy it later? Crook ^{The Constantine District} 10:01, September 27, 2015 (UTC)

I'll play it either on release or a couple days after. Though i thoroughly enjoyed Unity, i didn't find it interesting. Syndicate, however, DOES look interesting

~~False Shepherd~~

A few questions

I have a few questions and you seem like a nice and sociable fellow. I hope you don't mind:

• Can you remove the vambrace for the secondary Hidden Blade in AC2, so that just the Metal Cestus shows, like in the cover art for the game?
• I'm contemplating getting ACRO and was wondering: How does it compare to AC4? I saw the review scores and they looked meh, at best, but also unjustified, mostly.
• To you, which AC is the best? I ask because I've only played AC3 and AC4, but have read everywhere that AC2 is the best.

A bit random, I know. Thanks in advance for any answer(s) you may give. :)
184.6.41.70 08:43, September 27, 2015 (UTC)

Nah, no worries, I don't mind at all.

• I actually have no idea, it's been a really long time since I played AC2. I think it might be possible? The metal cestus needs to be bought, if I remember correctly. I am pretty sure you cannot remove the vambrace though, so having only the Metal Cestus is probably only possible if you don't upgrade to two Hidden Blades. You might need to check elsewhere for that.
• I think the "meh" review scores are probably justified in some sense, especially to videogame journalists, who look for new things. ACRO recycles a lot of mechanics from AC4, so in that sense, it feels very familiar. If you enjoyed AC4, you'll most likely enjoy ACRO. ACRO's world is most likely bigger than AC4 (with the three core areas: River Valley, North Atlantic and New York), but because the game's storyline is much shorter, a lot of these places won't be visited unless you explore. While the dev team did an admirable job creating fun parkour puzzles (some of the more expansive areas are kind of like the Assassin tombs from AC2/ACB/ACR in that you need to find your way all the way to the top), a lot of it is filled with relatively mundane collectibles. Some of those collectibles are War Letters however, missives that contain references to a LOT of the other games, so they're very fun to read if you're interested in the series' lore. ACRO is also better than ACU Modern-Day wise, in that they're actually is a playable Modern Day. It does put you in the same place as AC4 (reusing of assets again), so it's not a "new place", but there is new content. As for the storyline, I think it's an interesting idea, but it's not executed as well as it could - mostly because the story itself is pretty short (6-7 sequences), you don't get as much opportunity to get to know the new characters. But the central conflict is pretty interesting.
• General consensus is probably that AC2 is the best game, yes. It's the most polished, has interesting characters and a good story. AC1 is more on the philosophical side but has more repetitive gameplay. AC4 is probably considered the second best game along with Brotherhood. AC3, ACRO and ACU are base breakers, all for seperate reasons; some love them, some hate them. AC4 is definitely my favourite, but I haven't played AC2 in a long time, so I'm not sure which one of those I consider the best.

I hope this helped and didn't get too wordy :P Crook ^{The Constantine District} 09:01, September 27, 2015 (UTC)

Not too wordy at all and very informative, especially in regards to ACRO. It seems that the general consensus is that the game is a rehash of AC4, and with that, I think I'll wait until the price is a bit lower until I purchase it.

I've just one more question. Which game is the most stealthy in the series, where you actually feel like an assassin? AC4 was a great game, but it didn't feel like an AC game at all, to me. klad (need to talk?) 09:22, September 27, 2015 (UTC)

A rehash of AC4 is a pretty accurate way of putting it yes. Still, that put it miles ahead of Unity for some :P

Most stealthy... AC1 introduced the whole social stealth thing, so perhaps that one. AC4 in general is not very Assassin-y, cause you're a pirate for most of it. Unity put a lot of emphasis on stealth, but it was kinda wonky in places. Yeah, I think I'd have to go with AC1, cause that one really focused on gathering information and planning an approach. It's not always stealthy in the sense that you don't get seen though - you approach your target unseen, stab them and then run like hell, usually :P Crook ^{The Constantine District} 09:34, September 27, 2015 (UTC)

Parent Page

Hi there! I just wanted to let you know that I added Assassin's Creed: Syndicate to this wikia's Parent Pages. I’ve filled in a few fields, but feel free to edit and add what you know. Let me know if you have any questions. :) Witnessme (talk) 20:46, September 28, 2015 (UTC)

Uh, thank you :) I didn't even know that page existed. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 13:08, September 29, 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Need a quick short reply if you have a sec!

I am helping out with a Game Team project and could use your assistance. In one short statement, could you tell us what excites you about Assassin's Creed: Syndicate and why you love the franchise? Thanks so much! Pinkachu<staff/> (talk) 21:00, September 28, 2015 (UTC)

What most excites me about Assassin's Creed: Syndicate is probably the sibling relationship between Jacob and Evie :) I love the franchise because it can teach me so many things about the world, both historically and culturally. It should slow down a bit though, Ubisoft is getting quite excessive with the amount of games. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 13:09, September 29, 2015 (UTC)

Just curious

Crook, if you don't mind, how and where do you get those screenshots of locations in Rogue? I keep racking my brain for answers but I can't figure out how someone can take bird's eye view screenshots of the place. Misphantom (talk) 03:38, October 2, 2015 (UTC)

I'm not the person to ask, because I don't actually take the screenshots, I just upload them to the wiki :P I get them from Kain, who I presume uses some kind of program to move the camera around freely. You can probably ask him about it on his talkpage. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 07:48, October 2, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for answering :D Misphantom (talk) 09:58, October 2, 2015 (UTC)

Lavoisier

Antoine Lavoisier

The greatest chemist of the 18th century, author of what would become known as Lavoisier's Law — "nothing is lost, nothing is created, everything is transformed." Lavoisier also made significant contributions to the science of combustion, including the identification of oxygen and hydrogen, and his pioneering work on the list of elements. No one would better ecplain the world until Einstein. In terms of the Revolution, Lavoisier was a supporter of new philosophical ideasand a new social order (he called for the creation of social insurance and retirement funds for the elderly, the abolition of all forced work for peasants, as well as freedom of trade). Both before and during the revolution, he served on the Gunpowder Commision which greatly improved the quality of French munitions. However, as a former member of the Ferme Générale (a private tax-collecting system under the monarchy), Lavoisier fell afoul of the radical revolutionaries and was declared a traitor by the Convention. In 1794, upon his arrest, Lavoisier, who had been conducting an experiment in his laboratory at the Royal Arsenal, requested a few more days to continue his work. The judge refused: "The Republic needs neither scientists nor chemists," before sending him to the guillotine. Lavoisier's wife Marie-Anne worked alongside her husband in the laboratory as translator and assistant. She is largely responsible for securing his legacy as a scientist after the Revolution.

Madame Lavoisier

Born in 1758, Marie-Anne Pierette Paulze married—at the age of 13—Antoine-Laurent Lavoisier, the chemist famous for the law of conservation of mass. Following her husband's interests, Madame Lavoisier made a serious study of chemistry herself and thereafter played an active role in her husband's scientific experiments and discoveries. In addition to her work in the laboratory, she translated books from English to French to allow Antoine- Laurent to further his scientific knowledge. Following her husband's execution, she protested vehemently against the arbitrary nature of the proceedings. She duly attended to her husband's posterity, gathering his papers and organizing the publication of his memoirs posthumously.

Vetinari^{(Appointment)} 17:26, October 5, 2015 (UTC)

Wow, thanks for the quick response! Crook ^{The Constantine District} 17:44, October 5, 2015 (UTC)

Renders

I've found some good pics for Robespierre and Marcourt. Could you render them?--Bovkaffe (talk) 12:06, October 6, 2015 (UTC)

Found those too, actually :P I'll try to render them, but I usually take very long with them and I'm trying to get as much done as possible before Syndicate's release. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 12:08, October 6, 2015 (UTC)

Eagles

On the Eagles page, where does it say that the fable of the Eagle and the Jackdaw was recited? Hugues de Payens (talk) 19:00, October 20, 2015 (UTC) Hugues de Payens

It's not on there? Woops - maybe that was because of the edit conflict and I didn't see that addition. You can re-add it if you wish, though I feel the fable is more relevant for the Jackdaw article (where it's already listed) than the Eagles articles. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 19:09, October 20, 2015 (UTC)

"Butchered" Dead Kings

"The original focus of this co-op mission seems to have been the Procession organized to transfer Rousseau's ashes to the Pantheon in October 1794, but apparently due to a lack of time the mission was butchered by the developpers and become an hybrid protection of Rousseau's remain and tax money.

I think that my quote in the trivia of the Last Rites mission should be kept one way or another because it's valid. The title of the mission is "Last Rites", the dialogues mention "Rousseau's day", a "funeral procession", part of "Rousseau's past in St Denis" but the mission description give nonsense shits about tax collectors. In addition there is the absence of Bishop and her coments about the context and when you compare the content of this mission to earlier missions, it's very flat and feel butchered due to a lack of time. If you have played the mission and the Dead King heist too, you have to know what I'm talking about, there are moments when you clearly feel that something have been deleted from the final product. Maxattac (talk) 07:08, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

I've played both missions, yes, and I know that their quality is lower than those featured in the main game, but that's very easily explained due to a smaller development team and less budget. Pointing out that Bishop's commentary is missing is valid trivia, but saying that the mission was "butchered" because the original focus had been changed is not only wildly speculative, it also sounds unnecessarily vindictive against Ubisoft. I think we can point out there's a bit of a mismatch between the description and the actual content of the mission, but nothing that goes further than that, because we don't have any proof or idea of what the original mission concept was. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 07:22, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

not really sure not ending

not really what happen i just edit that someone told me that a some form and i believe it and had to add it im waiting for the game dont know what the ending is or the start maybe i should not believe the forms (The Twinke Star in the Skies 12:35, October 22, 2015 (UTC))

Don't just add things people tell you xD Please verify information before adding it an article; regardless, any content from Syndicate is prohibited from being added until tomorrow, the game's official day of release. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 12:49, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

Detailed sourcing

Crook, I've not made any assumptions about anything, and so you haven't "fixed" anything. My proposal simply looks to make it mandatory for such sourcing to be used, there is nothing in the current policy that forbids me from going into so much detail when a citing material. indeed, we actually already use this form of sourcing when referencing Project Legacy, so unless you're going to go through and remove every mention of the individual chapters from PL on all our articles that include them, can I suggest you stop being so obnoxious about this?

Simply because you refuse to to go through our articles and make the changes when this proposal goes through, doesn't mean you have to revert every single edit I make that conforms with the more detailed format. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 10:51, October 29, 2015 (UTC)

If this proposal goes through. What's going to happen is, you and maybe one or two people are going to do this and you're never going to finish it. It's simply not feasible. I tried it out for Aveline's article and to source every sentence/paragraph to a memory, a database, a page from the encyclopedia, an entry from Initiates, etc. is tedious as all hell - it sucks all the joy out of editing for me. So we're going to get stuck with inconsistent sourcing, and no one will know what to do - everyone'll just do their own thing, which is not a policy.

I'm not in agreement with this proposal in its current form, but if a better way can be found that makes it more clear where information came from without forcing me to peer over every line and try to remember where I got it from and what hierarchy I'm following, then I'd be willing to consider it. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 11:01, October 29, 2015 (UTC)

When you've proposed the policy and it has not passed yet, wait for it to pass. You're already enforcing it because of a loophole, and because of the inconsistency it creates you're forcing all articles to adhere to this new sourcing method regardless of whether the policy hasn't passed yet. As much as I want to see the sourcing policy adjusted, don't force it on the wiki. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 11:00, October 29, 2015 (UTC)

DB Images

Noticed we were kinda doing the same thing at the same time. I'll back off. - Amnestyyy (Contact me!) <helper /> 14:14, November 1, 2015 (UTC)

Oh, uh, alright :) Crook ^{The Constantine District} 14:16, November 1, 2015 (UTC)

Ay

I know im really late, I just wanted to congratulate you on your admission to the higher rank of staff. I remember back in the day when you were still a wee shrub... my how time flies. Best of luck! --Fragment ^-Animus- 05:08, November 3, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Frag :P S'been a good two years, indeed! Crook ^{The Constantine District} 11:40, November 3, 2015 (UTC)

Hello. I was wondering who was in charge of Altair's amin page as there seems to be outdated information. The page shoudl also inclue that Altair is the youngest mentor in the brotherhood's history as well as the youngest master assassin. It would be nice if this could be corrected. Thank you for your time. ConmanWAR (talk) 00:46, November 4, 2015 (UTC)

Shroud

Not sure how to use this fully but here we go: My edit on the Shroud of Eden, was referring to the fact that the Shroud doesn't resurrect anyone, which has been stated in Syndicate, I think (the Ankh is the POE that resurrects), but interestingly, it was noted in the AC2 glyph puzzles that the Shroud resurrected Jesus of Nazareth. If the Shroud didn't resurrect him, then how would have he been resurrected unless he was the son of God (which the series doesn't confirm or deny, which is fine, keeping the mystery around is always interesting). ParadisecityXO (talk) 19:32, November 15, 2015 (UTC)

Did it really? My AC2 knowledge is getting a bit dusty, so I would have to check that. If that's true, then yes, I was in the wrong and the edit can totally be reinstated. However, while I understand you're religious (or that's the impression I've gotten from your edits at least), I personally don't see the need to use the full "Jesus of Nazareth". Crook ^{The Constantine District} 19:38, November 15, 2015 (UTC)

Okay, I had a look through the AC2 Glyphs, but I found nothing that confirms Jesus' resurrection. All it says is Jesus had the Shroud and the Templars took it - as such, it's entirely possible that, within the AC universe, Jesus literally coming back from the dead is a story that was attached to the whole ordeal by onlookers or the disciples themselves. Hence, I don't see a reason why we need the trivia on the page, as it assumes Jesus' resurrection actually happened, even though we have no proof of that. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 20:01, November 15, 2015 (UTC)

The part about the ressurection is from Initiates.--Bovkaffe (talk) 14:25, November 16, 2015 (UTC)

D'you have a link handy? Crook ^{The Constantine District} 14:35, November 16, 2015 (UTC)

I have it in my sandbox:

"Jesus of Nazareth drew the attention of the Templar Order by accumulating many devout followers who were drawn by his miraculous displays. The Templars discovered that the source behind his grand miracles was an ancient and powerful artifact known as the Shroud of Eden, and devised a plan to take it from him.

Betrayed by one of his disciples, he was arrested, tortured, and later crucified at the hands of the Templars, who took the Shroud. Just days after his death, the disciples loyal to Jesus managed to reacquire the Shroud and attempted to harness its powers to resurrect their Messiah."--Bovkaffe (talk) 14:37, November 16, 2015 (UTC)

Well, now that I've read it again, it doesn't actually say they suceeded.--Bovkaffe (talk) 14:38, November 16, 2015 (UTC)

Assassin's creed Movie

Hi my name is crazybob and i owned a new ubisoft wiki called Ubisoft motion pictures wiki and i need some volunteers to help me out with the assassin's creed movie coming out in 2016. CB2014 20:39, November 19, 2015 (UTC)

Hey, bob. Unfortunately, I already have my hands full on this wiki alone, so I won't be able to assist you in expanding yours. I'm not sure if you will have much luck in finding potential contributors here, since we're all so busy with the recent releases, but good fortune all the same :) Crook ^{The Constantine District} 20:43, November 19, 2015 (UTC)

its only for assassin's creed the movie crook, but i'll help you out ok. CB2014 20:52, November 19, 2015 (UTC)

alright

...evidently not. Apparently I can't count since I stopped taking mathematics as a subject. It has been a very long year. --Crimson Knight _Intercom 16:47, November 20, 2015 (UTC)

Psh, who needs mathematics? Also, you lucky bastard, I had to deal with mathematics till I graduated secondary school lol. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 16:51, November 20, 2015 (UTC)

I'm living the dream. The majority of subjects I'm doing now are ones in which I'm skilled at, so this year has been easier on me than last year was. I have more of a social life too, and have a new hobby playing around with video game music, so all's good.

How have you been doing? It has been a long time. --Crimson Knight _Intercom 19:05, November 21, 2015 (UTC)

Profiles

I know this would probably take a lot of time, but could you transcribe the other profiles from the Abstergo Entertainment Handbook?--Bovkaffe (talk) 17:36, November 20, 2015 (UTC)

Sure, I'll try and get you some soon :) Crook ^{The Constantine District} 17:41, November 20, 2015 (UTC)

(Copied exactly, age is wrong yet again - third piece of trivia is historically inaccurate but accurate in the context of the game itself)

QUOTE

"Every time I create an appointment, I create a hundred malcontents and one ingrate." - Louis XVI.

LOUIS XVI FAST FACTS

• Born 8/23/1754; died 1/21/1793; aged 39.
• Last monarch of France before it became a Republic.
• Sentenced to death by a vote of 361 to 360.
• During the harsh winter of 1784, Louis gave 3 million francs out of his own savings to be given out to the poor and ordered that the royal trees be chopped down for firewood.

IMPRESSIONS OF HIM

• Very mild mannered (i.e., boring). His speech to the Estates-General almost put me to sleep.
• Hard to hear his last words over the crowd and the drums. Shitty way to go.

BIOGRAPHY

Upon learning about the origins and upbringing of Louis XVI, one cannot help but wonder if his unfortunate destiny was inevitable. He seemed to have been both born and raised to be remarkably mediocre.

His name at birth was Louis August de France. He was never expected to become king, as he was the third son of Louis, Dauphin of France, and grandson of Louis XV. Most of his parents' attention went to his oldest brother and heir to the throne, Louis duc de Bourgogne. Unfortunately, the young heir died of tuberculosis at age 9 in 1761. Four years later, his father also died from the same disease, and young Louis Auguste became Dauphin at age 11. His mother never recovered from the shock of losing both her eldest son and then her husband, and tuberculosis claimed her as well in 1767.

Largely ignored as a child, Louis' tutors did him no service by encouraging a natural shyness. They taught him that "austerity" and aloofness were desirable traits in a king and denoted strong character instead of encouraging hiim to be personable and decisive.

In May 1770, the fifteen-year-old Louis married fourteen-year-old Hapsburg Archduchess, Maria Antonia, in an arranged marriage. While they eventually procuded four children, all but one of whom died in childhood, it would seem that Louis' shyness continued in private as well as public, as it took eight years for Marie to conceive her firstborn.

Louis became king in 1774, upon the death of his grandfather. He was only twenty.

Louis' intentions were good, and he desired to help his subjects, but he had little understanding of how best to go about that. He lacked the personality to successfully navigate court politics and defy factions, and had assumed rule of a country facing debt and full of simmering resentment.

It can be said that while Louis did not actively cause most of the problems that eventually led to the Revolution in 1791, he certainly did little to effectively counter them. His natural insecurity, indecisiveness, and quite possibly clinical depression led him to avoid problems rather than deal with the unpleasantness of directly addressing them. He often sought escape in hobbies and activities, such as locksmithing and hunting. Indeed, he had only just returned from a hunting trip on July 14, when the Bastille fell.

"Is this a revolt?" he was said to have asked.

"No, sir," the Duke of Rochefoucauld-Liancourt replied. "It's a revolution".

The royal family was forcibly transferred from Versailles to Paris on October 7, 1789. Ignoring advice from his advisors, Louis first refused to abdicate, then agreed to an escape attempt. The family was again brought back to Paris. Suspicions of treason led to the capture of the royal palace. The First French Republic was proclaimed on September 21, 1792, and that November, evidence was discovered that proved suspicions of treason on Louis' part to be correct.

Charges were made against the entire family. Louis was found guilty by the National Assembly, and executed on January 21, 1793.Crook ^{The Constantine District} 16:45, November 23, 2015 (UTC)

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QUOTE

"They declaim against the passions without bothering to think that it is from their flame philosophy lights its torch." - Marquis de Sade.

MARQUIS DE SADE FAST FACTS

• Born 6/2/1740; died 12/2/1814; aged 74.
• His famous work "The 120 Days of Sodom" was originally written on parchment 39 feet long.
• He saved the lives of his father-in-law and his wife during the Reign of Terror, despite their being responsible for much of his time in prison.
• Was nearly guillotined the day before Robespierre was arrested.
• Napoleon personally oversaw the Marquis' final stay in the asylum, Charenton.
• His oldest son burned several of his manuscripts after the Marquis' death.
• A line from his will reads, "The traces of my grave [will] disappear from the face of the earth, as I flatter myself that my memory will be effaced from the mind of men."
• Once forced a prostitute to listen to his arguments in favor of atheism for an entire night. She had him arrested the following day.
• By the time he was in his twenties, brothels had been warned not to allow the Marquis to take women off the property.

IMPRESSIONS OF HIM

• I liked him. Sick bastard that he was, he always treated me well. At the heart of his debauchery, there was a search for something pure, I think.

BIOGRAPHY

Donatien Alphonse François, the Marquis de Sade, has come to so epitomize sexual cruelty that his very name was the basis of the term "sadism". His father was a diplomat and a libertine, his mother a lady-in-waiting to the queen who seldom saw her son. De Sade was born to a cultured and coddled life, where even from childhood his every whim was gratified - and his proclivities became apparent.

Even by the age of four, de Sade was spoiled, arrogant, and a bully, tormenting the young French prince so badly that he was often beaten severely and was eventually sent to stay with his uncle, a church abbot, who was as debauched as any of de Sade's own infamous clergy characters, and introduced de Sade to some of his "interests" when the boy was no older than six.

De Sade was fascinated by violence, prostitutes, and pushing at seemingly every aspect of authority, rule, or standard. He was in the position to gratify whatever desire struck his fantasy, and it is not inconceivable that he attempted them all.

He was marginalized by society after an incident involving a chambermaid, cuts, and hot wax, and was sent into exile in Italy after multiple acts of sodomy with several men and women.

Tricked into going to Paris to visit his mother whom he was led to believe was ill (in fact, she had already died), he was arrested and imprisoned in the Chateau de Vincennes. He appealed his death sentence in 1778 and won, but remained imprisoned.

When Vincennes was closed in 1784, de Sade was transferred to the Bastille. He was a nuisance, carrying on with the public on his walks and, when that was forbidden to him, shouting from his cell that the guards were killing the prisoners. He was transferred on July 4 to the insane asylum at Charenton, and thus missed being liberated by the storming of the Bastille ten days later. He had been working on a manuscript, The 120 Days of Sodom, and believed it was lost in the transfer.

De Sade was released from Charenton in 1790. Calling himself "Citizen de Sade", he supported the Republic for a time, even managing to get elected to the National Convention where, unsurprisingly, he represented the far left.

For an indeterminate period of time, he assumed the position of the Roi de Thunes - the King of Beggars - in the unsavory Cour des Miracles. Such a place doubtless provided de Sade with many "subjects" all too willing to satisfy his debauchery in order to ensure their survival and well-being. Even so, there little doubt that as cruel as he was, de Sade was likely a betetr "king" than the original Roi de Thunes.

He found the Reign of Terror appalling, and became openly critical of Maximilien de Robespierre. In a twist that is almost humorous, the man who gave his name to the word "sadism" was accused of "moderatism", arrested on December 5, 1793, and imprisoned for nearly a year.

Napoleon Bonaparte ordered the arrest of the anonymous author of the violent erotic works Justine and Juliette. De Sade was arrested at his publisher's office and imprisoned without trial. He was declared insane in 1803 and transferred, again, to the asylum at Charenton. He died there in 1814, having somehow managed to conduct a four-year affair with Madeleine LeClerc, the fourteen-year-old daughter of a Charenton employee.

There is no question that even by today's jaded standards, the writings and behavior of de Sade are disturbing and extreme.Crook ^{The Constantine District} 16:45, November 23, 2015 (UTC)

I don't want to nag, but could you transcribe Robespierre's profile?--Bovkaffe (talk) 18:02, December 18, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, sure. I don't mind being sent reminders, so no worries lol. The text comes off a bit biased against Robespierre in my opinion, but here you go :P

QUOTE

"The secret of freedom lies in educating people, whereas the secret of tyranny is in keeping them ignorant." - Maximilien de Robespierre.

ROBESPIERRE FAST FACTS

• Born 5/6/1758; died 7/28/1794; aged 37.
• Spoke over 5000 times in the National Assembly, giving articulate arguments against the royal veto and religious discrimination and often advocating for the rights of the common people.
• Mirabeau once said of him, "He will go far. He believes everything he says."
• Following the death of his mother and abandonment by his father, Robespierre took on the responsibility of raising his siblings until he left for France's most respected university at the age of 11.

IMPRESSIONS OF HIM

• I just can't fathom this man. What the hell happened? So much blood...

BIOGRAPHY

With such a quote to his name, one might think that Maximilien de Robespierre would have been a supporter of the Assassins, but he would have had great difficulty with the first tenet - "Stay your blade from the flesh of the innocent". Forever linked with the excesses of the zealot, Robespierre was responsible, directly or indirectly, for the arrest of an estimated 300,000 people in less than a single year, of whom nearly 40,000 were excuted - 17,000 by guillotine, the "national razor".

Maximilien Robespierre, a lawyer, was catapulted out of obscurity into the public eye by the French Revolution. Like Mirabeau, Robespierre was elected to the Estates General, where he attacked the monarchy and called for reform.

In April 1789, Robespierre became president of the Jacobite Club, and when Paris rose up against King Louis XVI three years later, Robespierre led the Paris delectation to the new National Convention. He continued to whip up the crowds to rise against their aristocratic oppressors, and pressed for the king's execution.

The National Convention formed the Committee of Public Safety in March 1793. Its stated goals were to protect the newly formed republic from threat - both international and internal. The committee underwent restructuring in July, at which time Robespierre was elected. The Reign of Terror began on September 5th, 1793 and continued through the summer of 1794.

Although the country no longer faced foreign enemies, Robespierre continued to urge more purges and executions. Some colleagues in government began to wonder at his true motives as the bloodbaths continued unabated.

Seemingly not content with merely utterly reversing his stance on the death penalty, in the last two months of his life, Robespierre introduced a philopshy that he called the Cult of the Supreme Being. Like everything else he advocated, its ultimate purpose was to winnow out and eliminate dissenters. A rejection of the Cult of Reason that sprang up after the Revolution, the Cult of the Supreme Being was not Catholicism, but a type of deism.

It was too much for the French people to accept. To see Robespierre on a man-made mountain in a toga was to see the truth of a man who touted equality, but was in reality on the verge of becoming a Caesar himself. His peculiar behavior on that day gave credence to rumors that he was insane.

On July 27, 1794, Robespierre and many of his allies were arrested and taken to prison. Robespierre shouted his defiance as he was led off, warning that he had "powerful friends". Indeed, "friends" engineered an escape. Robespierre hid in the Hôtel de Ville, the city hall, in Paris. Robespierre began to make a new sort of list - this time not of supposed enemies of the Republic, but if his own personal adversaries.

When he received word that the National Convention had declared him an outlaw, according to history, Robespierre panicked and, terrified of the guillotine to which he had sent so many, attemped suicide. Strangely, the gunshot broke only his jaw.

We now have evidence that Assassin Arno Dorian and Élise de la Serre, daughter of the former Templar Grand Master, were involved in many of these incidents, from the theft of the various documents to the false "suicide attempt" evidence of a shattered jaw, that Robespierre might suffer the fate to which he condemned so many: execution by guillotine. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 12:02, December 19, 2015 (UTC)

I'm really grateful for these transcriptions. Could you transcribe Napoleon's profile next?--Bovkaffe (talk) 00:19, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Merry Christmas /D

QUOTE

"A revolution is an idea which has found its bayonets." - Napoleon Bonaparte.

NAPOLEON FAST FACTS

• Born 8/15/1769; died 5/5/1821; aged 52.
• Napoleon was put under house arrest in 1794 for his association with Maximilien Robespierre.
• Napoleon's tendency to pose for portraits with his hand inside his vest led to rumors that he suffered from chronic stomach pain and ultimately died from stomach cancer.

IMPRESSIONS OF HIM

• Focused on himself, certainly, but hardly the narcissist history portrays him as. Liked him a great deal.

BIOGRAPHY

One of the world's greatest military leaders and the emperor of France, Napoleon Bonaparte was born August 15, 1769, on Corsica, an island in the Mediterranean Sea. At the time of Napoleon's birth, Corsica was occupied by the French, and there was a strong resistance movement. Carlo Buonaparte, Napoleon's father, had at first supported the nationalist leader, Pasquale Paoli. Bonaparte eventually switched his allegiance after Paoli was forced to flee Corsica.

It was a wise decision, as Bonaparte was rewarded with a coveted position that enabled him to enroll his two sons, Joseph and Napoleon, in France's Collége d'Autun. Napoleon ended up at the military college of Brienne, studying there for five years before attending the military academy in Paris. Upon his father's death, Napoleon graduated early from the military academy and returned to Corsica as second lieutenant of artillery.

As his father had done, Napoleon became involved with the Corsican resistance, even siding with Pasquale Paoli. The alliance did not last. Civil war began in Corsica in April 1793, and - now Paoli's enemy - Napoleon adopted the French version of his name, "Bonaparte", and relocated to France.

He rejoined his regiment at Nice in June 1793, and gave his support to the radical Jacobin Club. By this time, France had been declared a republic, and King Louis XVI would have seven months to live. Napoleon and Robespierre had a falling out, but unlike many who did so, Napoleon managed to keep his head, in both senses of the word. The National Convention was dissolved, to be replaced by the Directory, a body of five directors who held executive power. After saving the government from counterrevolutionary forces in 1795, Napoleon was very popular with the Directory, and was named commander of the Army of the Interior. He also advised the Directory on military issues.

In 1796, Napoleon was placed at the head of the Army of Italy. Under his firm hand, a group of a mere 30,000 men won several key victories against the Austrians, helping to expand the French empire and elevate Napoleon's reputation. That year, he also married Joséphine de Beauharnais, the widow of General Alexandre de Beauharnais, who was executed during the Reign of Terror. Their relationship was passionate, but tempestuous.

Napoleon helped defeat an internal royalist threat and traveled to the Middle East with the goal of undermining Britain's empire. His good luck turned sour on August 1, 1798, when he suffered a sound defeat at the hands of Admiral Horatio Nelson's fleet. In the wake of the battle, Britain, Austria, Russia and Turkey formed a new coalition against France.

The year 1799 saw defeats for the French in Italy, and France was not without troubles at home. The Jacobins took control of the Directory in 1799. Napoleon returned to France in october, and worked with one of the new Directors toward a second coup that would usher in a new government called the Consulate - which was essentially a dictatorship, with Napoleon himself as first consul. He initiated well-received reforms to France's education, economy and legal system, and reinstated Roman Catholicism as the state religion. His Napoleonic Code permitted freedom of religion, forbade privileges based solely on birth, and ensured that government jobs go to the most qualified. He was elected consul for life in 1802, and proclaimed emperor of France in 1804.

France again saw itself at war with Britain, then Russia and Austria, in 1803. Napoleon once again confronted Horatio Nelson's fleet in 1805, and the British won a decisive victory at Trafalgar. Napoleon turned his intentions to Austria and Russia. Victory after victory followed, and the French Empire flourished and grew over the next five years. In 1810, however, France began to suffer defeats and losses as significant as previous victories. The invasion of Russia in 1812 was a disaster; out of approximately 600,000 men in the Grand Army, a mere 10,000 remained who were fit for battle.

The defeats energized Napoleon's enemies. There was an attempted coup and the British began to press in on various French territories. Napoleon surrendered to allied forces on March 30, 1814, and was exiled to the island of Elba - but not for long. France did not function well without him, and in March 1815, Napoleon escaped and returned to power.

Three months later, Napoleon defeated the Prussians on June 16. It was to be his final victory, and he was only able to savor it for two days. On June 17, at Waterloo, the British, reinforced by the Prussians, dealt him his legendary defeat. He would not rally again. He abdicated on June 22.

The coalition refused to accept his son, Napoleon II, as emperor, and the British exiled him to the remote island of St. Helena in the southern Atlantic. He was allowed a great deal of freedom and leisure, but such a life was not for him. He began to decline in 1817 and by 1821 was confined to bed. He died on May 5, 1821. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 12:02, December 19, 2015 (UTC)

Given that we have an in-universe name for these profiles (Historic Personage Sheets), don't you think we could make a page for them?--Bovkaffe (talk) 00:03, December 28, 2015 (UTC)

Sure, would be handy as a reference point :) Crook ^{The Constantine District} 21:56, December 28, 2015 (UTC)

Images

Hey, i just found out that passing PS4 Screenshots to PC is easier than i thought. So im thiking about start adding images, any recommendation? DipsonDP (talk) 00:22, November 26, 2015 (UTC)

Re:Robes

I was actually planning to open a discussion page regarding this. As I was hoping to establish some concrete criteria regarding which characters could be considered worthwhile of having such pages.

My current (self-imposed and admittedly arbitrary) criteria have been the following:

1. The character was the protagonist of their own game. 2. Their outfit had to have been included as a legacy outfit in a later installment. 3. The outfit had to have been worn by the character as an actual uniform of the Assassins/Templars.

Shay's interim clothes would technically not qualify in accordance with 3, as he was neither an Assassin or a Templar during this time period. However, he did start working for the Templars whilst still wearing them, not to mention the fact that they did originally belong to a Templar agent, so they are in fact official clothes of the Templars.

Adéwalé and Lydia Frye would not qualify in accordance with 1, which is why I was planning to start a discussion in the first place, to sort it all out. Any thoughts? The Wikia Editor (talk) 11:16, November 26, 2015 (UTC)

Those criteria sound sensible (I don't think Adéwalé and Lydia qualify for criteria 2 either, by the way :P). I'd still open up a discussion page just in case, so others can voice their opinion on the matter - the wiki discussion board would probably be best. That still leaves the additional armor pages though... Crook ^{The Constantine District} 10:52, November 26, 2015 (UTC)

I started creating those armor pages because I noticed we had a page for the Mayan Armor but not the others. I made a mistake it would seem. The Wikia Editor (talk) 13:17, November 26, 2015 (UTC)

Altaïr & Jacob

This is a page for truth and facts. The fact that you insist undoing my revisions shows you don't care about the lore, the series or the fans. Every edit I make to both the Altair page and Jacob page is facts straight from the lore and Ubisoft sources. If you continue to make these illogical revisions it shows this page is innacurate and doesn't stay faithful to the series. ConmanWAR (talk) 22:15, December 3, 2015 (UTC)

No. You have simply elevated your own opinion to be "truth and fact". There was and there is a discussion going on Jacob's talk page regarding his status as Master Assassin, but instead of participate and enter into a dialogue with us, you decided to stubbornly add and re-add what is your own opinion. Jacob and Evie get Master Assassin outfits during the game, they are called Master Assassins during pre-release and post-release material and the feat they single-handedly pull off in a single year is astounding. If they weren't Master Assassins during the storyline, they were almost certainly afterwards.

You have provided no counterargument to all of this except for "it's unfriendly to the lore" - you cited Shaun as a source for claiming Altaïr is the youngest known Master Assassin. Only, this was stated back in AC3, and Ubisoft loves retconning stuff. It is not inconceivable that Shaun simply didn't know of the Frye twins, immediately rendering his statement moot.

Take your grievances to the talk page. If you keep edit-warring, someone is bound to ban you sooner rather than later. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 22:30, December 3, 2015 (UTC)

I am seconding Crook, and you can see the comments I left on my talkpage. This is a community, not a propriety source of information. So far, the community is unconvinced of your position, and edit warring will not encourage acceptance of your position. Take it to the talkpage. DarkFeather ^{Raven's Nest}_{Raven's Hunt} 22:48, December 3, 2015 (UTC)

I am quite sorry to say that it is too late for discussion. He already received his final warning, and as such, I saw fit to ban him for three months. Amnestyyy (Contact me!) <helper /> 23:23, December 3, 2015 (UTC)

Rogue Trivia

I did not put the trivia on there to gloat. I put that on there simply to point it out. I didn't put it on there to get credit for it. I didn't know where else to put it. I noticed that other people have pointed out inconsistencies on other pages, so I thought I could do it. I guess I was wrong.Hugues de Payens (talk) 16:38, December 7, 2015 (UTC)

There's not really a good place to put it, in my opinion. Trivia on the AC: Rogue article should pertain to the videogame mostly - things like date inconsistencies don't really have places to put them, and honestly aren't all that interesting to read, if you ask me. Still, I'm sorry for having accused you of doing it to gloat, that was out of line. My apologies. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 16:54, December 7, 2015 (UTC)

Mr. Acosta's Concept Artworks

Hey Crook, I'm planning to save a couple of Mr. Acosta's artworks but so far the official websites of him showcased concept arts with tags below them. Like from this. Do I photoshop them before uploading them or do I upload them as they already are? Misphantom (talk) 13:18, December 11, 2015 (UTC)

If you're talking about the black bit where he includes client, artist and date, you can edit that out if you want, but make sure to mention it in the "attention" bit of the source template (something like "cropped out black space"). If you're not sure how to do that, you can try uploading one artwork as a sort of try-out and I can make adjustments so you know what to do from there.

P.S. You can right-click to open the concept art in a seperate window so the image will be higher quality :) Crook ^{The Constantine District} 13:26, December 11, 2015 (UTC)

Okay thanks Crook :3 Misphantom (talk) 13:32, December 11, 2015 (UTC)

Good job - I swapped out "spaces" for "borders", but otherwise, the image description was ~flawless~. I did have to update the image with a larger size though :p Crook ^{The Constantine District} 13:50, December 11, 2015 (UTC)

Sure Crook. But how did you make the image a larger size? I'm sorry, I'm really a noob with this coding and deep editing things XD Misphantom (talk) 13:54, December 11, 2015 (UTC)

'aight, so when you're on Mr. Acosta's site, right-click the image you want and select "open image in a new tab". From the tab you just opened, you can save the image, which will be a higher quality than the image you'd be able to get directly from Acosta's site. It's not as hard as it looks :) Crook ^{The Constantine District} 14:00, December 11, 2015 (UTC)

Hmm... that was exactly what I did though I had to edit the image because of the borders. But thanks again. :< Misphantom (talk) 14:03, December 11, 2015 (UTC)

EDIT: if that doesn't work for you, you can also look at the url of the image (e.g; the one you posted would be [http://static1.squarespace.com/static/55e708aae4b0585349419d89/55e74531e4b0875476e0927d/56293536e4b0ac1604950486/1445541175564/1_ACVI_FA_env_BankOfEngland_Courtyard_001b.jpg?format=1000w] and change the "1000w" all the way at the end to "1500w". That should give you a larger image as well, I think :P Crook ^{The Constantine District} 14:00, December 11, 2015 (UTC)

I think that's about it --Misphantom (talk) 12:36, December 15, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for all your help, I appreciate it :D Crook ^{The Constantine District} 21:52, December 15, 2015 (UTC)

Native Armour

I was wondering why the Native armour page I created was deleted.Hugues de Payens (talk) 19:44, December 12, 2015 (UTC)

Generally, all the information we have on the Native Armour was already present on the Assassin's Creed: Rogue outfits page. I've said this to another editor as well, but before making a page, reflect on whether there is actually enough content to warrant the page. Additionally, the era tag and reference was missing as well, though the lack of information was the principal reason why I deleted the page. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 19:49, December 12, 2015 (UTC)

Okay. I didn't know why none of Shay's armour had pages like other armors. I also thought the Native armour stood out becasue it was part of Shay's main story, like the Mayan Armour in AC 4.Hugues de Payens (talk) 19:55, December 12, 2015 (UTC)

Well, part of my worry is that armor/robes articles will keep popping up, which seems rather pointless to me since most only warrant 1-3 sentences to convey all the information there is on them. Specifically, all that can be said on the Native Armor is that it was kept by the Oneida and acquired by Shay Cormac during the 18th century. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 20:07, December 12, 2015 (UTC)

Liberation Missions

I was working on the liberation missions from AC 3 and I was wondering if the ( I don't know what to call it) pre liberation missions dialogue should be added. For example, you can visit a district contact prior to doing the liberation missions. The conversation sets up why Connor is doing the liberation missions. Here is an example between. Jacob Zenger and Connor.

Jacob: So you are the man taking up arms in our part of the city. Glad to be hearing it.

Connor: The military seems to be controlling this area.

Jacob: Yah. Martial Law has been declared. For what purposes, I do not know but there is not a need. I do what I can but it is hard.

Connor: I may be able to help.

Jacob: Very well. I need information on the man responsible for this. He has men all over the place corrupt Red Coats. Maybe you can get them to talk.

Hugues de Payens (talk) 19:03, December 16, 2015 (UTC)

Hey Hugues. All that dialogue has actually already been transcribed. You can find it on the Floating conversations article :) Crook ^{The Constantine District} 19:23, December 16, 2015 (UTC)

Assassins or Prostitutes

Hey Crook, Klad and I were wondering (and earlier arguing) what's the most appropriate name we could give to the pages of the Assassin undercover and the rest. Would "*Prostitute name* (Assassin)" suffice or "British Assassin (Prostitute name)" would? Misphantom (talk) 07:25, December 20, 2015 (UTC)

Just Assassin seems good to me - no need to specify that she's British. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 08:44, December 20, 2015 (UTC)

I moved the page to "British Assassin" due to Mary Ann Nichols being the only intiate confirmed to be unidentified; i.e., it was revealed that she wasn't the real Mary Ann. The DLC didn't confirm whether or not the other prostitutes were using false names or not, so, articles pertaining to them could use the actual names of the victims. With that in mind, I thought "British Assassin" would be best for the unidentified British Assassin initiate who used Mary Ann Nichols' name, as there would be no need for other articles named "British Assassin 2", "British Assassin 3", etc. due to there only being one initiate confirmed as unidentified.

It was done in similar fashion to articles like American Assassin, Byzantine Assassin, Egyptian Assassin, Irish Assassin, etc. They are specific cases of unidentified Assassins from different branches of the Order. klad (talk) 09:18, December 20, 2015 (UTC)

Oh, I see now. Sorry, I had to catch up on the whole thing - I would change the title of the article to "British Assassin (1888)" so it's at least slightly clearer in that way. I think naming it "Mary Anne Nichols (Assassin)" could be misleading. When some of the other admins get their butts online, I'll ask them about it, but I think Klad's article is the way to go for now. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 09:45, December 20, 2015 (UTC)

Okay, glad to see things clear out. How about the other Assassin undercovers though? The murder database says Catherine Eddowes and Annie Chapman were replaced by Assassins. I can take care of those articles but what would we name them? Misphantom (talk) 11:23, December 20, 2015 (UTC)

Since this seems to be the case for Eddowes, Stride, Nichols and Chapman (right? I think Mary Kelly was the only non-Assassin... right?) I think it might be best to go with, for instance 'Elizabeth Stride (Assassin)' as article name. That's the only name we know them by, and defining them by nationality or year isn't really practical because there are multiple of the same nationality and year. Amnestyyy (Contact me!) <helper /> 16:29, December 21, 2015 (UTC)

They all seemingly bore Assassin rings, but only Nichols was confirmed as a double for the actual prostitute, by Inspector Abberline. The others were possibly doubles, but not confirmed as such. With that in mind, couldn't we just name the ones not confirmed as doubles by their actual names (as far as we know), with no parenthesized information like "Assassin" or "1888"? Since it wasn't confirmed that they were replacements, we could just mention in their articles that they were Assassins (as far as we know), with no mention of the possibility of them being doubles that is alluded to in the database. It seems reasonable to assume that they may have been doubles, but the DLC doesn't definitively tell us whether or not Eddowes, Stride and Chapman actually were doubles and leaves it in the air to speculate.

In short: Mary Ann Nichols was a prostitute who Jacob sent away, the unidentified British Assassin was a double Jacob installed in Nichols' place, and the other victims, Eddowes, Stride and Chapman, were Assassin prostitutes unconfirmed as doubles. There's no need for "(Assassin)" in the title if there were no other confirmed variants of them, right?

I moved the article for the one Assassin confirmed as being a double--the one under the title "British Assassin"--because that seemed to be the norm for unidentified Assassins like herself.

If the issue is rather or not Eddowes, Stride and Chapman were the real prostitutes or just Assassin doubles, here are links to the murder scenes of Nichols, Chapman, and Eddowes / Stride. It seems like Nichols was the only one confirmed to have been replaced by an initiate, with the others just being confirmed as Assassins, based on Evie's deductions and the respective database entries for the murdered Assassin victims. klad (talk) 17:27, December 21, 2015 (UTC)

Mentions

What did you mean by "tone it down a little with the 'mentions'?" As far as I know that was the first time I've used "mentions" in any trivia.Hugues de Payens (talk) 19:14, December 26, 2015 (UTC)

I was referring to the all the Assassins and Templars mentioned on Ardant's list, which you added to all the individual articles. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 19:23, December 26, 2015 (UTC)

Images

Hello there, is it ok to add a photo to a page with the option of adding "I don't know the license"? It is there for a reason, and a user named "Misphantom took away the photo I added. Other wikis such as Metal Gear, Arkham Knight, and DCUO had no problem with it. Arkham Knight and DCUO had the option of putting "I don't know the license".

Hey Flynn

On this wiki, any images that is uploaded needs a description that gives the source and licensing - it requires a bit more work than simply putting down "I don't know the license", but it's also not as complicated as it might appear at first. If you follow the second link in the message I left you, you'll be sent to a page showing you what a description generally ought to look like. In your case, the source would be Assassin's Creed: Syndicate (was this screenshot taken on PC or Ps4/Xbox One?) and the licensing would be {{Screenshots}}. If you need help, feel free to leave me another message. Thanks for reading, and don't forget to sign your posts in the future :) Crook ^{The Constantine District} 08:09, December 29, 2015 (UTC)

Kukri

The best spot to see the kukri is the part where Shaun and Rebbecca ambush Ardant. As she's walking into her office. It's on the table in front of two chairs.Hugues de Payens (talk) 16:57, December 30, 2015 (UTC)

Southern Colonial Branches

Is there a reason there aren’t pages for the Southern Colonial branches of Assassins and Templars consisting of Assassins and Templars from Liberation?Hugues de Payens (talk) 21:27, December 30, 2015 (UTC)

As far as I'm aware, the reason that there aren't pages for those branches is because they have not officially been termed as such. Aveline, Gérald and Agaté hardly constitute a branch, for one. I guess a Southern Colonial branch wouldn't be entirely out of the question, but the problem is again, no reference has ever been made to it officially being a "branch/rite": it is simply Madeleine, her right-hand man de Ferrer and then the various men recruited by de Ferrer to enable the excavation in Chichen Itza. I suggest you run it by a few of the other regular contributors - Amnestyyy, Stormbeast, DarkFeather, Master Sima Yi - and see what they say. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 21:43, December 30, 2015 (UTC)

Okay. I figured it was because of how few members there were. But I also thought that since Agate was a mentor that meant he was in charge of a branch of the Brotherhood. That was based off the description given on the Assassin Mentor page. Hugues de Payens (talk) 23:49, December 30, 2015 (UTC)

I looked at Aveline's Database entry in Liberation and it says she joined the Assassin Brotherhood of New Orleans. And in Madeleine de L'Isle's entry in mentions the destruction of the Templar Order of New Orleans. So they were named in the game.Hugues de Payens (talk) 03:58, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

American Rite/Branch

I was also wondering about the American Rite and the American branch of the Templars and Assassins. I know in the memory"QXNzYXNzaW5hdGlvbg0K" Shay says he is a member of the American Rite. That happens on 27 December 1776. To me, that means after the signing of the Declaration of Independence the Colonial Rite changed its name to the American Rite. Hugues de Payens 18:45, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

Why are Connor and Patience Gibbs considered American Assassins and not Jamie Colley? Hugues de Payens 16:24, January 7, 2016 (UTC)

Presumably because they are the only ones confirmed active after AC3? I still find that weird to assume, since there's no official word on when the American Brotherhood came into existence, but ya know. Anyways, to be frank, I've rather tired of this subject - if you've any more questions on the topic, on whether or not an American Rite / American Brotherhood article should exist and who may or may not have belonged to it, I direct you to one of my fellow administrators. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 16:33, January 7, 2016 (UTC)

Deux Royaumes

Is there a process for edit articles that need revamped. I was working on improving one and my edits were reverted. I am new to working on wikipedia.

Sknight2001 (talk) 17:23, January 20, 2016 (UTC)Sknight2001

My bad, I was too quick. I looked over your edit, but the information you added wasn't really new per se (a lot of it was already pointed out in the trivia section, I believe) and you also removed the main image, by accident, I presume. Hence, I reverted it. You're welcome to expand the article, but I suggest you follow the example of articles like Assassin's Creed: The Fall. Feel free to send me, or one of the other senior members, a message if you need help. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 17:27, January 20, 2016 (UTC)

Database

Hey Crook, Dar here,
Re: the "document files" you mentioned here: do you mean the emails Melanie Lemay sends to the tablets, like the "Confidential" files in AC4, and the Abstergo company "Emergency Manual", right? Also, do we write the transcripts of the audio files? I know the events in Rogue related to Sigma Team, for example, were referenced in their pages, but do we need scripts? Thanks for suggestion, look forward to working on it. Darman36 (reply here) 17:20, January 26, 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I was referring to the emails you unlock by picking up the lost tablets. However, now that you've mentioned the "Emergency Manual" (I hadn't though of that one tbh), maybe it would be in our best interest to make a "Helix research analyst's personal files", as we did for the Abstergo Entertainment research analyst. We could throw the audio files in there as well (we'd have to ask Stormbeast's help with that though, he does the videos usually). I think transcripts of the audio files would be useful, I'm just not sure how we would incorporate them into the article.

Maybe run the idea of a "Helix research analyst's personal files" article by Nesty or another administrator to be sure. Regardless, thanks for your help, we're rather overdue on these ^^; Crook ^{The Constantine District} 17:33, January 26, 2016 (UTC)

K, will ask Nesty when I'm home. Can I "dibs" the Manual & emails? Bovkaffe seems to have laid unspoken "claim" to writing the Initiates Database Entries found here to this site. Or is "claiming" not allowed, to promote communal work?
Do we really need the transcripts though? Stormbeast used YouTube vids, but they don't have subtitles on... Maybe we should have that as a standard audio file format? Darman36 (reply here) 17:53, January 26, 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, go ahead. I think the regulars here tend to pick certain things as their projects and don't really expect anyone else to join in. As for the transcripts, I entertained the notion since you brought it up - if you don't feel like doing them, we don't need to add them. And yeah, subtitles would probably be handy :) Crook ^{The Constantine District} 18:05, January 26, 2016 (UTC)

Nesty said I could proceed, and Stormbeast is good with my transcribing both AC4 & Rogue audio files, and will record the Rogue files over next two days or so. Thx guys for all the help. Darman36 (talk) 14:26, January 27, 2016 (UTC)

No problem, and good luck! :p Crook ^{The Constantine District} 14:30, January 27, 2016 (UTC)

Crook, Dar here. I'm done the Helix videos (Ow, my hands!), but I have trouble with the AE files' subtitles in AC4. My last post here suggested editing the video directly (Sandbox sample) instead of switching between tabber/tabview, but I haven't received a reply. I tried it in the AE files (edit, preview, *leave page), & it works, but I don't know if editing video pages is "good form" Darman (talk) 15:28, March 16, 2016 (UTC)

*Finally finished transcribing the AC4 Abstergo files...um, almost 3 months after starting with Abstergo's "Devils of the Caribbean" Trailer. I said I'd get 'em done — I just got forgot to account for getting sidetracked :p --Darman (talk) 01:40, June 12, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Defaultsort-ing

I'm just organizing the code within the articles. TheCreedX (talk) 13:30, February 23, 2016 (UTC)

You are undoing my organizations in the Infobox code, why? I'm doing to make it according to the Manual of Style. TheCreedX (talk) 13:38, February 23, 2016 (UTC)

I was very confused as to what advice from the Manual of Style you were following - found it now, but I can't say you're doing much, if anything, to improve the articles' quality. The articles for the games would be far better served if the actual content was expanded or revised, rather than spaces being added to the infoboxes. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 13:44, February 23, 2016 (UTC)

I believe that the organization of the article code is as important as the article content itself. Cheers. TheCreedX (talk) 13:52, February 23, 2016 (UTC)

Dash

Crook, (or any Mod, Admin, &c.),
Why do we use the the long dash "–" for the Assassin/Templar War page link? We don't use it for the Human/Isu War, nor does WP use it, e.g here or here. When referencing a DLC, Database file, &c, we use the small dash/minus sign so it looks like [game title] - [DLC, Database, &c]. Why the different dash? Darman (talk) 17:29, February 26, 2016 (UTC)

I think that page was started by someone who wasn't a frequent editor, so that's probably something that needs to be fixed actually, so well-spotted. You can double-check with one of the other admins, but I'm pretty sure we should just use the regular small dash :)

EDIT: Actually, the user who started that page is Jasca; I still think it should be fine to change it though. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 18:01, February 26, 2016 (UTC)

So I can go ahead, or do I still have to ask another Admin? Darman (talk) 15:33, February 27, 2016 (UTC)

Had a chat with our Bureaucrat, and he's fine with it, so yeah, feel free to change it. Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 18:44, February 27, 2016 (UTC)

Brinley Ellsworth does indeed have a database entry. SnapperHeadAC (talk) 09:49, March 20, 2016 (UTC)