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The "Predator" achievement

The article sais this: "The "Predator" achievement could be earned by hanging five enemies with rope darts." But it's not clear in which game. The rope dart could be used in multiple AC games, and I assume this achievement can be acquired only in ACIII.

Chinese Rope Dart

As I was reading, It was a Chinese Rope Dart a nod twords Shao Jun(?) from Embers--Kenzen - Talk - Blog 14:55, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

That's what's written on Game rant, but I don't think the officials confirmed it. If it was a nod to the Chinese, then the question arises, how did it reach America?IlMualim 16:01, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

In my opinion, it would be nice if it was an adaptation to the Hidden Blade of sorts, learned by Connor due to meeting the Assassins in his lifetime. After all, what's stopping them from sharing information now that the New World was discovered and conflict arose.

I'd like it if it was part of the Hidden Blade, just so that it would have the excuse of being fire-able from the wrist and making up for the whole "grapple hook" suggestion that some people wanted. Slate Vesper 21:20, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

Oh god no... Just no... Supreme Master Assassin^{IL Mentori} 00:42, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

To the person who believes the 'D' in 'Dart' should not be a capital

Hello, I just noticed in the 'recent history' page it was said the page shouldn't have 'dart' with a capital 'D'. As it is a title the it should be 'Rope Dart' it is only words such as 'and' 'of' and 'the' that in titles are not captilized. 94.0.109.198 21:14, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

The thing is, it's not a title, it's an ordinary word. And You Don't Spell Ordinary Words Like That. :P -- Master Sima Yi _Clogs ^{Marvel Studios} 21:15, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

Hello, it is the title of the page is it not? If it isn't what did you plan the title to be? 94.0.109.198 21:18, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

Right, because you'd really capitalise "dart" anywhere else, unless it started a sentence or a title? I don't think so. And besides, do you know how pointless this argument is? Slate Vesper 21:21, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

Argument? I was just saying that in a title (as in title of a book, or an article) it should be 'Rope Dart' and not 'Rope dart' which is what the title now appears as, but okay, I will say no more of it. :) 94.0.109.198 21:27, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, but the article explicitly refers to a "rope dart" and not a person or object named "Rope Dart." You can't classify it as a title similar to a book's title or a name; it's just that, a rope dart. Here is another example of grammatically correct capitalization. -- Master Sima Yi _Clogs ^{Marvel Studios} 21:30, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

Complete last comment on the subject I promise. 'Rope Dart' is the the heading of the page... Just like your page on the hidden blade is called 'Hidden Blade'. However, since I have been taught to do this with my titles from my early school days, I will show you this http://www.accu-assist.com/grammar-tips-archive/GrammarTip_capitalization-titles-headings.htm . As Promised no more comments from me on this, either take my advice on how headings work or do not. Take Care :) 94.0.109.198 21:37, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

The Hidden Blade is specifically capitalised because a hidden blade in concept can apply to any blade that is hidden, even by sticking a butter knife up your sleeve so that no-one can see it. In Assassin's Creed, it is referred to, in-game in fact, as the "Hidden Blade" (with capitalisations), as it is a construct that is worn on the wrist.

However, the rope dart has only been shown in magazine articles, and its title is not seen from an in-universe perspective, so it remains as "Rope dart" until any definitive evidence can be seen. Also, what also differs the Hidden Blade to the rope dart is that the Hidden Blade is not a real mechanical construct in real life, despite being based on concepts from history, whereas the rope dart is a Chinese martial arts weapon that we can see even today.Slate Vesper 21:47, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

There is no "way" on how headings work. I'm well aware of capitalization being the most common, but we all chose long ago not to follow that pattern. -- Master Sima Yi _Clogs ^{Marvel Studios} 21:49, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

Aquiring the Rope dart...

Okay, don't chew me up, but how would Connor get his hands on a weapon known mainly from China? Sure, may be the Brotherhood experimented and came up with it, but the idea that it would show up in 1700 America seems a little off. Affectos (talk) 01:56, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

We have no idea as of yet, and please make sure to sign your posts with ~~~~. Slate Vesper (talk) 01:53, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the update. I hope to see more theories before the game comes out. I am still new at Wikis, so thanks also for the reminder. Affectos (talk) 01:56, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

In "real life"

Sorry, but what is the basis for saying "in real life" this wouldn't work, citing the target's weight or something? There are ballistic missile weapons, some of them even thrown, that they are easily able to penetrate flesh. However, the shape of the penetrator's back side prevents it from being pulled free. Take mechanical broadheads, for example, used in various forms of archery as far back as the medieval period. To top it off, there is no citation or any other information to back up this claim. All I'm saying is that the statement reeks of personal opinion and does not make sense to be on this page, even in the trivia section, especially when there is hard evidence to the contrary. --KenoSarawa (Talk|Contribs) 21:35, August 8, 2012 (UTC)

From the fleeting glimpses that we've seen in the trailers and demos, the tip is a broadhead, but more along the lines of a smooth cone. Sure it could penatrate flesh, but there are two issues. A: the smooth head would slip right back out if weight were to be applied, meaning the idea that a dead body could be a counter-wieght isn't likely; and B: As far as I have seen, the rope dart of ancient china was a swung weapon, not thrown with the accuracy that Connor has displayed. Affectos (talk) 00:09, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

In open combat or parcour

I just wonder if the rope darts can be used in combat in any way (like Aveline's whip) or in parcour? Is there any information on this? Fanina (talk) 10:32, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it can be used in a manner similar to Scorpion, watch this video. Lucan07^Talk 10:35, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

I am sorry, but generally I dont snob on grammar, but it's parkour*

With that out of the way, you ever played Mortal Kombat? that is exactly the Rope Dart. They alsos aid it will be more of a tool than a weapon. Why so serious? - Psychopath Corner - Advice of a Psychopath 10:37, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

I have read somewhere that you can not use it in parkour. Don't remember where, but you can kill people on horses with it.--ACsenior (talk) 10:42, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

Black Flag source

Source official AC4:BF Q&A From Q&A:

What are the different weapons Edward will be using on his missions?

Edward’s main arsenals are the dual swords and multi-pistols. The multi-pistols are a tool that can be combined with any other weapon to have insane kill counts. Besides this Edward also gets a blowpipe with multiple effect darts, the double hidden blades (AC classic) and is able to use all the weapons enemies carry (Rifles, single sword, knives and Heavy Axe). The Rope Dart will also make a return.--ACsenior (talk) 20:43, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

​Rope Dart Easter Egg?!

Don't you think that the rope dart looks a bit like Scorpions Kunai from Mortal Kombat?

No title

Chain Blade was the original concept for the rope dart, but it was ruled to be insufficiently realistic.  That said, the Kusari-Gama, Kyoketsu-Shoge, Kusari-Fundo, or any other oriental chain weapon.  The Kusari-Gama, specifically, could be used as both primary and secondary weapon (like the rifles you can pick up), with low damage/combos, more effective/forgiving counters/disarms/break mechanics, and rope dart functions without the ammo usage.  Hanging someone from above with a chain weapon is also significantly more realistic than expecting a rope dart to reliably hold.  Not saying I have a problem with the rope dart.  Just saying that if they wanted something like the "chain blade", the Kyoketsu-Shoge is suitable for the purpose, as is the Kusari-Gama. 142.161.236.37 15:10, June 22, 2014 (UTC)

Predator move and ledge hanging uncharacteristically unrealistic

Don't misunderstand me, I think they're neat, but they are animated as strangulation kills, and it's not a noose or rope around the target's neck, but a dart in the back. Jasonnorthrup (talk) 15:06, October 10, 2014 (UTC)

Valhalla

Should the fishing harpoon get mentioned here or not? Lacrossedeamon (talk) 02:36, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Did you mean in the body or in the BtS? Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 10:16, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Either but mainly the body. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 10:26, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

I would be skeptical that it would be relevant enough to the rope dart to warrant being mentioned in the body, though I obviously have yet to play the game. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 10:35, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

There is an ability that allows you to use it combat almost exactly like rope darts in previous entries. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 11:58, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

I know, but it's a completely different weapon realistically-speaking. It won't be appropriate to me to randomly mention a harpoon attached to a rope and basically be like 'btw the Vikings have their own version of a rope dart'. The rope dart is a specific, unique weapon with its own established martial arts style as simple as its construction may seem and not just a dart attached to the end of a rope used as a grappling hook or to reel people in. There's really no relation between them unless Eivor was expressly inspired by the rope dart to use the fishing harpoon as she does. (Conversely, since the grappling hook is a general purpose tool, it would be fine to mention the rope dart and fishing harpoon being like or in place of a grappling hook). If the fishing harpoon is meant to be a rope dart adapted to Valhalla's setting from a gameplay standpoint, it definitely warrants a mention in the BtS though. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 00:46, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

You mean the "established martial arts style" that Connor, Edward, Shay, etc. never use but instead use the weapon the exact same way Eivor uses the harpoon? I really fail to see the distinction. 05:04, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Eh, I feel like even some Chinese Americans who aren't Chinese nationalists would take this comment sensitively. Because it's kind of like saying "dude a rope dart is literally nothing more than a dart at the end of a rope, look these Vikings can literally make the exact same [poop]". I don't think you mean it like that, but it's just that in my experience with Asian American communities and their sensibilities, they can take it as racial, and that's something I was trying to avoid saying. Those characters never fully use that martial arts, but that doesn't change the fact that a rope dart is a culturally distinct weapon in and of itself with no evolutionary links with the fish harpoon and not just a mere tool, and to treat it as identical or more or less the same thing as a European tool used as a substitute seems improper to me (unless, again, lore-wise Eivor was expressly inspired by the rope dart to use the fish harpoon in this fashion). However, this doesn't change the fact that the developers had intended it to be an analogue for the rope dart gameplay-wise, so I agree it definitely merits a mention in the BtS. If this were Wikipedia or Wookieepedia, I would also say that the fish harpoon could be listed in the "See also" section for functional similarities, but we don't have "See also" sections. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 21:27, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Also to clarify, I'm not suggesting that our edits to the article should be motivated by anxieties over how our audience might misconstrue the content. It is a small article anyways, and this would never stir up any controversy. But I meant that there's no actual relevance of the fish harpoon to the rope dart from an IU-perspective, and I was refuting the argument of how there is and why the idea that they are without distinction is erroneous. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 21:42, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

If added to the body I’d just have it be: "In the late 9th century Eivor used her fishing harpoon as a rope-dart in combat." I think our disconnect is that I don't equate Rope-dart 1:1 with the Sheng-biao. To me Rope-dart is like "knife" and sheng-biao is like "seax". Rectangles and squares to an extent. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 23:00, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Hm, I see, that sentence might be acceptable, though I wonder if it's necessary to add. Can you provide me a spoiler-free clip of her using the fish harpoon? Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 04:49, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

I agree with Sol, 100% deserves a mention in BtS, but I don't I don't think it should go on the body of the article. - Soranin (talk) 03:34, 21 December 2020 (UTC)