User talk:Sol Pacificus

Old sock

I think we have another sock on our hands. User:FrikiXL has revived the "Warren Vidic was a Nice Guy with Empmathy" edit wars, insisting that they "have been studying the psychology of fictional characters for 5 years". They've also been adding/removing [[Category:Scientists]] to the Historians category, and admitted they "will never give up". Thought you should know. – Darman (talk) 21:55, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Templar Pages

Hey! Been rather busy on my end, however got more time recently. Regardless of personal Life, recently I`m currently writing a few pages in regards to Templars(The Templar Pledge), their distinctions(Corruption & Moderates), specializations(Assassin Hunters), ranks(Advisors, Knights, Commanders, Lieutenants) and organization(Rites & HQs). So I've been going through existing pages as well for all of this to gather whatever information we've missed previously, because by the look of it, Templar pages seem quite neglected in comparison to Assassins pages. Just giving a heads up on the progress itself and recently found out how to use sandboxes, so i'll begin working on the pages in my own sandbox here rather than on Notes. And it would make these discussions far more focused on the source material instead of semantics such as discussing the terms Moderates, Moderates Templars or even if there is such a thing.ACsenior (talk) 12:01, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Welcome back ACSenior. I'd actually be excited to see more of your work on Templar pages (because you're right they do get neglected) as long as you don't mind my reviews of them. :P I am hoping to be more productive again as well. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 14:48, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Sol :). Appreciate that and if there's ever anything on your mind, my talk page is available. That's great, do what you gotta do until then.ACsenior (talk) 15:10, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Cult of Kosmos debate

While I've not been part of the Kosmos debate and no idea of the current status of the staff debate. Just a proposal given my current updates on Templars pages, that is to create a Navigation template for the Hermeticists that includes all information on Hermeticists, including the Cult of Kosmos. Because regardless of its status as proto-Templar, it is an Hermeticists organization that simply had a different view from the original under Pythagoras and treating it as part of Cult of Hermes makes their organization page less disjointed as it currently has elusively the "correct" versions only that also ended up collaborating with the Templar Order instead of the Order of the Ancients. Thoughts?ACsenior (talk) 15:45, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Memory infobox

Just to be sure, I thought the description field of the memory infobox is the place for ingame descriptions of the memory (like we did with Odyssey articles). I saw Baftan13 changing descriptions, like here on Reporting on Cent and now i'm in doubt. Is the ingame description supposed to be there or not? I've been adding the ingame descriptions from the quest log, and if that's incorrect I can do something about that :) Thanks in advance! Kennyannydenny (talk) 09:57, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Category spam

I believe we have a new badge hunter about. User:Samanthademeste recently added the "Assassin allies" category to a number historical personages pages, despite the page content not reflecting such a classification. Louis XVI of France and Jacques Necker seem to be repeat targets, having been hit with this act thrice at time of writing. I've since undone the edits, but this is not my first dance with them. Their contributions show they've performed similar tricks with "Templar allies/puppets/conspiracies" on pages where the category does not apply, and I tried to advise against such activity on their talk page in late January after they had another edit flurry, though it seems to have been ignored. Just thought I would bring this to Staff attention. – Darman (talk) 14:55, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

They've been at this since 2018, it's certainly... something. - Soranin (talk) 20:38, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Constant reverter

I don't know if this user has slipped Staff attention, but User:NoMoreVillains has persisted in their edit spamming. I've been watching them for a while, and despite DarkFeather's attempt 2wks ago to reach out on their talk page and see if they're having trouble editing after spamming the ACU logo, they have not acknowledged his message in a reply, nor do they show any signs of stopping what I've identified as their trademark of continually and unnecessarily reverting images to past versions. Indeed, just today, they reverted [File:ACIII Templar Cross.png] a total of 6 times within 2hrs before Soranin restored it to its original upload. I cannot say whether they're badge hunting, as some of their regular page edits have been legitimate, but these constant reversions certainly add to edit counts. I felt I should mention this for the sake of editor integrity, as they do not appear to listen to Staff. Thank you. – Darman (talk) 01:30, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Yes thank you for taking note of this and letting us know. It really doesn't matter if they're badge hunting or not because whatever their motive, it does constitute spam and vandalism. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 19:32, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Ambient dialogue

Hi Sol,
I was playing ACOD recently and came across some ambient dialogue from Barnabus. I want to add it here, or check that it hasn't already been added, but I don't know where to put it. I could have sworn we had a page dedicated to ambient dialogue said when sailing about / exploring, and I think I visited it once or twice, but I don't recall the page name, and it's not in my watchlist, the ACOD template, or [Category:ACOD gameplay]. You wouldn't happen to know what it is, would you? – Darman (talk) 02:45, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Belated edit: And I don't think it was "Floating conversations", either, just to clarify. If memory serves, it had a bunch of lines from Herodotos and Barnabus, and I think it was some user's working subpage—like [User:Kennyannydenny/Valhalla notes]—that we forgot to move? – Darman (talk) 12:10, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello Darman, I really don't remember clearly at all because the closest thing I know we do have is the "Floating conversations" page. I definitely recall at least having a discussion about ambient dialogue like that but not if anything has come from it. You might have better luck asking Lacrosse. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 21:34, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Well, thank you for the help. Just thought I'd give it a shot. Luckily, Soranin found it! It was [User:Sadelyrate/Location commentary in Greece] – Darman (talk) 00:35, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Floating conversations

I'm not sure I follow your edit summary on Battle of Thermopylae? The page for floating conversations already exists and there's even a section for Kassandra? - Soranin (talk) 15:26, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Oh, then what was the point of removing the link? It wasn't a redlink. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 15:54, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

They were redlinks, because they linked to 5th century BCE conversations which does not exist, its function being served by the floating conversations. This is how it looked before I changed those links to the floating conversations one. - Soranin (talk) 15:56, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Oh yeah looks like in my hurry, I saw it backwards somehow. My bad. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 15:59, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

All's well that ends well. I know you're probably tired from having to double check the billion new pages I've been making (accurate estimate). Thank you :3 - Soranin (talk) 16:05, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Le Buddha

Sol, changing topics onto Buddha. There was a mention of Buddha in the Cryptic Messages from ac1, but it was in chinese, so I might be completely wrong, since I'm only going by the translation in that page. Should be the second to last one in the list. Thought I'd let you know :D - Soranin (talk) 01:58, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Mister Pacificus

I wanted you to do an edit for me on the Cult of Kosmos page, about the Sokrates DLC of Assassin's Creed: Odyssey. About him coming back after Sokrates, and returning to normal after Kassandra defeated Alexios, freeing the cult of corruption from him. DarkSword65 (talk) 15:52, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Overzealous deletions

In case you may have missed seeing my reply on my talk page, I would like to say that I'm sorry for filling up the "To delete" queue in my overzealousness to clean up the wiki. I had not considered that as a consequence of repeatedly using the delete template. Given that this appears to be a problem for me at least twice now, I agree with your statement that it probably would be best for all of us if I were to step back from that and divert my attention elsewhere. Thank you for the message explaining this again. – Darman (talk) 13:25, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

I didn't miss it, was just taking a bit of time to try to think of a thoughtful reply. As always, thanks for being receptive to our concerns. I understand that you didn't mean any harm and couldn't have foreseen that this would have been an issue since even we were kept off-guard about it. Keep up the good work! :) Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 16:05, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Vandals

Hey Sol,
Sorry to bother you at this hour, but just a heads up, we have two incredibly persistent vandals—namely, LordOfTheFix‎ and Frejth2King‎—plaguing Azar's page, making a slew of fake category pages, posting a file altered from the official 3D model, and vandalizing many other main and two users' pages. I've been in a rapid-fire edit war undoing everything they've done for the past hour and then some. Vetinari already noted on Azar's page that this is likely because they are gender-fluid, while I'm of the opinion that these editors are the same individual. When you can, could you block them and delete the pages they've made? Thanks. – Darman (talk) 00:10, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the prompt alert Darman. It should be taken care of. Let me know if I've missed anything. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 01:10, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Looks like you got rid of it all, except for their first spam page, simply [Smiling Azad]. Thanks for solving that. – Darman (talk) 02:15, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

ACD and Blade of Shao Jun pics

Hey Sol,
I was adding categories to pics from Blade of Shao Jun and I remembered that we, through you, have elected to have Empress Zhang's page go by her birth name of Zhang Qijie. I changed the old category and updated other images with it as needed, then had a thought: since we're using full names rather than titles where possible, would that mean instead of doing [Category:Emperor Xuanzong of Tang/Images], we would write [Category:Li Longji/Images]? And related to ACD, when would you recommend we use Yang Yuhuan's courtly title over her name? Just want to check first. Thanks, – Darman (talk) 13:35, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

These are all good questions. I actually think we need to revisit our article title standards and have been meaning to open up a discussion in the forum about it. This is prompted in no small part by lingering questions regarding how we title articles concerning royals, like Queen Victoria and Emperor Xuanzong. As for when we would use Yang Yuhuan's courtly title, I would not give a hard rule regarding this because I have noticed that our editors typically rely so much on unnecessary, entrenched formulae that they forget that good writing hinges on some flexibility. As an example, we give the impression that Kassandra must always be referred to as "the (Spartan) misthios Kassandra" when (a) that is totally not a rule and (b) we essentially always fail to mention that her actual mercenary alias is "the Eagle Bearer".

Going back to Yang Yuhuan, I would say use your best judgement depending on the context and flow of writing. In Li Bai's article, I wrote "Yang Yuhuan, who as guifei was the highest-ranking consort to the Emperor" because that extended context about who she was felt necessary to me, and it would have been redundant to say "Yang Guifei, who as guifei..." On the other hand, there may be other scenarios where it's better to make apparent her actual position, but it isn't necessary to give a whole extended appositive about what that position is. Both are acceptable, and using "Yang Guifei" is only anachronistic if we are discussing her before she attained that title. The most important point I was trying to make is just that we shouldn't fall into the habit of thinking one or the other is suddenly forbidden, like how, by convention, we now have conditioned ourselves and new editors that it's somehow wrong to introduce Kassandra in any other way but a set phrase about her being a Spartan misthios. It's a bit preposterous really. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 13:51, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

I think the trend of introducing people by their connection to a place/group may have started from Origins, with "Bayek of Siwa", which has now morphed into Kassandra's descriptors and Eivor's particularly lengthy one; I'll admit that I have definitely contributed a large part to that last one. The only meta reasons I can think of for why we felt a need to specify that Kassandra was a Spartan mercenary are to differentiate her from other mercs in the Peloponnesian War, and because the series has had a number of Italian mercs in Ezio's saga like Bartolomeo d'Alviano, though I don't know how well the theory holds water.

I do think we should revisit article titles when we can afford the time from Valhalla's mountains of content, because naming can indeed get ridiculous. Very often, I find that Ezio is written in full as "Ezio Auditore da Firenze". Using a place in the name as with Leonardo da Vinci is one thing, but I feel like this is basically saying "John Smith of Louisville" over and over, especially when countless other people's pages only use their first and last names. But then again, he's from the noble House of Auditore, so would the place be in his true name like with James Brudenell, 7th Earl of Cardigan? Except Mario Auditore is also a noble and is never "Mario Auditore da Monteriggioni", so maybe not? I'm confused... – Darman (talk) 02:30, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Oh no, the trend far predates us. It is a direct result of wiki standards to contextualize terms, especially individuals and places. It is widely practiced in Wookieepedia to a degree that academia would see as excessive (but on the other hand, I find that academic works tend to contextualize too little, basically always naming a whole bunch of random people like I am supposed to know who they are). I myself promoted this trend before you started editing too .My point isn't that this trend is a problem. It's not wrong at all to introduce Kassandra as "the Spartan misthios Kassandra", only that editors would be mistaken to think that this is the only right way to contextualize who Kassandra is. I remember a now inactive mod disputed whether or not it should be "Spartan misthios Kassandra" or just "the misthios Kassandra", but it'd be preposterous to say either is wrong. We should contextualize; we just shouldn't think we always have to contextualize the exact same way in every article, in every sentence. Be flexible.

For Ezio Auditore da Firenze though, I believe it is titled like that because when meeting Yusuf Tazim for the first time, he explains that the inclusion of the toponym in the full name is part of the Italian custom. If this is true, then "da Firenze" is officially part of his full name even if the birthplace might not be part of the full name for individuals of other cultures and periods. Mario Auditore is never referred to as Mario Auditore da Monteriggioni in our wiki for the simple reason that he has never been referred to as Mario Auditore da Monteriggioni in any sources we know of. How an individual names themselves or how they are named in the sources comes before any understanding of what "should" be the right way.

For someone like James Brudenell, 7th Earl of Cardigan, it is standard in English to just introduce British nobles by their title only. James Brudenell in scholarly works would often just be mentioned as "the Earl of Cardigan". But I've always hated that so much because it is confusing to me since there can be many figures in history sharing the same title. It is one of the reasons why I say I think academia tends to contextualize too little. This is why if I were writing about him, I really would introduce him as "James Brudenell, 7th Earl of Cardigan" since he is better known by his title, but I also want to give his actual name. But in any case, the take-away from this is that it's also important to observe the unique naming customs of different cultures. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 02:53, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Just wanted to clarify also that how we title an individual's article and how we introduce them in writing are two different things. Ezio's article should be titled "Ezio Auditore da Firenze". That's his full name, both according to him and other sources. But when writing, it is perfectly fine, in my opinion, to just introduce him as "Ezio Auditore" if it makes the sentence flow better. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 03:02, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

OK, that all makes sense, thank you. So we should keep [Category:Memories of Ezio Auditore da Firenze] as it is then, since it's his full name in-person and in external media? – Darman (talk) 16:20, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Yes, that category name is perfectly fine. On the subject of categories though, we really should move back all the pages in "Assassin Brotherhood members" to "Assassins" and "Templar Order members" to "Templars", a matter I noticed you brought up a little while ago. The move had actually originally been performed by Jasca using his bot to preempt any community discussion on it, as was his way. But I heavily objected to it because category names should always use demonyms when possible, to be concise and less wordy. Since it was an unauthorized move, it is within our rights to move them back though it may still be better to double-check with the community on it. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 16:58, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Non-canon games

I recently found full playthroughs on YouTube of most of GameStop's mobile adaptations of AC games and I'm wondering: although they're non-canon, should we have memory pages for these, too, in a similar vein as the missions in AC II: Discovery and the individual chapters of AC: Awakening? They'd be really short, though, as there's far less dialogue than even in Discovery, and would look more like Rebellion's side-quest missions. I only know the mission names for Unity's adaptation, but I'm sure I could find out the others by using an emulator. – Darman (talk) 01:20, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

I certainly wouldn't mind having them. We probably never did because very few people were ever able to play them (they weren't on smartphones), and their non-canonicity is extreme even for non-canon content. But since we cover other non-canonical official Assassin's Creed media, there's no reason not to document these games as well. In fact, I have watched those, and I have already added info about the unique (and comically brutal) deaths all of the Templars have in these adaptations to the corresponding character pages. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 02:24, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, the most outrageous difference I can immediately recall is that Ezio's fight with Rodrigo in AC II is instead in some ruins and against some old man who can shoot fireballs, which Ezio can inexplicably deflect with his sword! Since all these mobile adaptations were by one company, I was thinking of having the memory and game navboxes at the bottom (tentatively named something like {{ACGamestop}}?) list every game's sequences like the one for the Chronicles series, instead of individual navboxes at the bottom for games that only have 9-12 main missions and no side content. Would this be OK? – Darman (talk) 22:10, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

I'm wondering if there might be a better name than {{ACGamestop}}, but if we really can't think of an alternative, I think it would do. I think your idea to organize it like we did for Chronicles is perfect. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 17:50, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

So! I've finally completed a draft of the game and memory tables in my sandbox after watching the walkthroughs, as well as some other info that hasn't been noted on the respective pages. I figured I'd use a similar color scheme to the {{Non-Canon}} template due to how much these platformers differ from the main games. How do they look? Do you have any questions /recommendations? Instead of {{ACGamestop}}, I was thinking of using {{ACMobile}} instead because it's shorter and also covers all mobile adaptations, and {{ACMoMemories}} for the missions box.

And I just had this thought now, but would you rather we use a ⟨;⟩ to denote non-canon media appearances or have it as a subsection of Appearances? Because I've seen both formats scattered here, eg. on Edward Kenway and Shao Jun's pages, respectively, and thought I'd ask before I continue further. – Darman (talk) 13:00, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi Sol, I guess you've been pretty busy IRL for the past week and some, but thought I'd bump this up in case you missed it or simply forgot. If you could take a look at the boxes I've made when you have time, that's be great, but no need to rush it either, as it's not pressing like the imminent Siege of Paris info coming down the pipe. Thanks, – Darman (talk) 03:30, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello Darman, apologies for the exceptionally late reply again. I had, in fact, forgotten or missed your message at first. For the navigation boxes, the only glaring issue I can see at first glance is that Altaïr's Chronicles does not belong with this group. It's a distinct spin-off game equivalent to Assassin's Creed II: Discovery, Assassin's Creed: Bloodlines, Assassin's Creed: Memories, etc. It's not a mobile adaptation of a main installment. It's also a canonical prequel of the first Assassin's Creed. We already have the navigation box for it too at {{ACAC}} and {{ACACMemories}}

Other than that, I would recommend that you check with XOdeyssus for the formatting because I haven't been part of the discussions about formatting updates for navigation boxes. Without having spent the time to review the mobile adaptations, I cannot check if there are any errors in appearances for it. I do like {{ACMobile}} more than {{ACGamestop}}.

I appreciate you asking me about how we list non-canonical appearances. Actually, the main way we were doing it at first (and how I was doing it) wasn't to create a separate section at all. Instead, non-canonical appearances would be listed regularly in the same list as canonical appearances, and it would be specified as non-canonical in parentheses just like the terms "Mentioned only", "First appearance", etc. The only time we would create a separate section for non-canonical appearances was when there were a lot of them, which I would assume is the case for Ezio's article. When I noticed you making them separate sections all the time, I wasn't sure whether that is better or not because the community hasn't had to talk about this yet. However, when we do create separate sections for it, I would say we should use === === as usual. ; was only ever used to create subsections in Trivia sections since it didn't feel right for them to have real subsections. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 23:43, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello again, Sol.
Thank you for replying, your advice is much appreciated. I don't mind that you're late, since I did say it wasn't a pressing issue what with more important matters releasing (this week!!). And thanks for the referral, I'll ask XOdeyssusx for more more about infoboxes.

I think you may be confused, though, because I have "Arno's Chronicles" in the infobox, not Altaïr's Chronicles. Altaïr's game, I recall, is his quest for Adha that ends just before his failed mission in Solomon's Temple, while Arno's game is a very loose adaptation of Unity; I've listed a number of its contradictions with the main game in my sandbox too. Or were you confusing it with [Assassin's Creed (mobile game)]? That game has a number of errors, among which is that Masyaf as a wintery Templar stronghold where Abu'l Nuqoud (referred to as "Vizier Abull Aswad") hides instead of being the arid landscape of the Levant used as an Assassin HQ in AC1, Revelations, etc.

Regarding non-canon appearances excluding Ezio's, I'll merge them back into the single list format. I believe most of them that appear as separate subsections are because of my edits to list The Ming Storm and its audio production, Turbulence in the Ming Dynasty. How many non-canon appearances should we have before we mark a cutoff and create a new subsection, then? – Darman (talk) 02:00, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Ah, it seems like I misread somehow. By the way, I noticed that the links you have in the box actually seem to be placeholders for the most part. My suggestion is that when you link to the characters, you should use the names they are referred to by in these mobile adaptations while the links should lead to their corresponding canonical counterparts. For the non-canon appearances, it's not a standardized rule, but if you want to be consistent with my preference thus far, I would create a non-canon subsection when there's at least three titles that would fall under it. Or do you think at least two would be better? Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 20:36, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

No worries about misreading, it happens all the time. So you'd rather I use the pipe trick instead, so it looks like [[Abu'l Nuqoud|Abull Aswad]]? Sure, I can do that, though it'll only apply for 2-3 characters across the entire infobox. And yeah, about the placeholder names for the memories, none of the missions except in Arno's game have any names like "Vilified", "The Wounded Eagle", "Hide and Seek", etc. They're only known by the the city it happens in and maybe a date. So for AC1's adaptation, it technically only has the three chapters to choose from which consist of Acre, Masyaf, and Jerusalem. Given its unusual format compared to how we've structured memories, I thought I'd follow the naming convention used in AC: Bloodlines, which stylizes missions in the infobox as "Assassination - Assassination II - Assassination III - Interrogation - Interrogation II", etc.

I think three non-canon appearances suffices for a separate section. To me, two listings looks incredibly short to have a whole new title line devoted to it. I'll try to fix as many of the old Ming Storm edits as I can recall. Speaking of which, how are we to integrate those events into the pages? I know we have the {AmbCanon Start/End} templates used for the Deux Royaumes comics, but Ming Storm mixes in a few extra details that aren't in Chronicles China. For example, Gao Feng—who oddly only appears as a corpse for an autopsy—is said to have died beside his own eunuch aide Pang Chung, despite the game only showing Feng alone on a cliff and not mentioning Chung at all.

Also, I'm a bit confused about the Deux Royaumes comics. I was under the belief that all the historical parts were "real" while the modern was definitely non-canon, but Accipiter's page uses the {AmbgCanon} templates while the events surrounding an unnamed Egyptian Assassin and Numa Al'Khamsin/El Cakr in the 13th century as detailed in the Egyptian Brotherhood page do not, and I've not found a definitive Ubi source saying the historical parts are likewise out the canon window. – Darman (talk) 03:00, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

For the placeholder names, what was catching my eye was the inclusion of Animi avatars, which as far as I know don't appear in the mobile adaptations. Looking it over, I also do think that the navbox looks too cluttered and should be cleaned-up, but as I said, I recommend talking to Odey about that. I will get back to your questions about incorporating Ming Storm later, but you can try double-checking with Cris and Lacrosse regarding the canonical status of the Deux Royaumes comics. I'm pretty sure for a long time the historical portions of the comics has been canonical, but I recall there being some inconsistency or controversy about it recently. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 03:16, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Ohh, that's what you meant by placeholders. The Brotherhood multiplayer avatars are skins/Animus mods for Ezio after completing X number of missions (I think, have to review footage), while the AC3 ones are visual only and are used in place of Connor's apprentices like Stephane Chapheau, Deborah Carter, etc. I thought I should include them because they appear, but I can remove them if it's better. – Darman (talk) 03:35, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Not Bat-Creature

Hello; no, I have not joined Discord yet. My audio keeps messing up and lagging in and out. Also, the other account is not me, for further reference. Just letting you know. Batfan13 (talk) 12:41, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Pictures for cities during different eras?

Hello I have a question. It is possible to put two or more picture of the cities infobox as a new standard if the city made appearences at different era in the series like London, Paris, New York? I remembered when we didn't know the canon gender of the misthios or Eivor, we had an infobox where you can change the picture by clicking on male or female. The idea would be to make this but with pictures of different era. Example: Paris 886 pictures and 1790's pictures. Or London 870's pictures, 1868 pictures, en 2016 pictures (from the movie). It could be decline for place like the Villa Auditore or the Homestead.Francesco75 (talk) 09:28, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Sorry for butting in, Sol, but I'm just adding my own thoughts here. I actually like this idea, as it'd give readers a visual of how a place grew/declined over time. I know the Lego Wiki did similar for a while with the various iterations of the same character, and we currently have the tab format for profile pics displaying both AC1 soundtrack covers while both AC Rogue and AC3 pages show their Remastered art. I think the only issue would be which pic to show first, the latest in-universe one or at the height of its power before falling to ruin. Assuming it's implemented pending your decision, of course. – Darman (talk) 13:10, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Also butting in. I think the most modern canon depiction should be the default and then work backwards in time for the other tabs. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 19:53, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

I think this is an excellent idea Francesco. :) I also agree with Lacrosse that we should prioritize the most modern cannon depiction. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 19:59, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Can we used concept art as pictures for the infobox like the ones in Project Legacy?Francesco75 (talk) 05:29, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Animus mod paragraphs

Hi Sol,
I don't believe the formatting was...standardized(?) on how to introduce gear that players get as Animus mods. I know you've edited a few gear pages and had noted in one edit comment that writing "[item] was made available to [player character] through an Animus modification..." was clumsy, but I can't seem to find it now. I know that sentence structure is now stuck on nearly all Animus mod gear pages, but did you have a better one in mind then? I was thinking myself of something like this:

"In [year], the Assassin Layla Hassan applied an Animus mod to create a usable simulation of the [item] while reliving the memories of [character]."

What do you think? Or would you prefer something more concise? – Darman (talk) 02:00, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Edit: I think I found your edit by chance clicking "Random Page"? You changed the last line of "The Forlì Punisher", and honestly, it reads a lot smoother than what we have everywhere else. I think I'll just copy/paste that and change the necessary details as appropriate, if it's OK? – Darman (talk) 02:20, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

First, always bear in mind that writing in and of itself is not formatting. This is a misconception and bad habit that I've cautioned many other editors on often. If you see one way that an article on a weapon is written, it does not mean that you have to copy the exact same sentence like it's a formula and transpose it onto all other articles on weapons. Good writing requires thought to adapt it to the particular subject and context.

That having been said, there are of course certain phrasing that is incorrect. "...obtainable by [main protagonist]" was a widespread one because that phrase only makes sense from an OOU-perspective. In real-life, you wouldn't write about a firearm that was on the market and so specifically describe it as "it was obtainable by this particular person". That would sound really weird.

Onto "[item] was made available to [player character] through an Animus modification", you have to understand that this phrasing is wrong not just because it's clumsy but because it is erroneous. I found a random example, Swift Slayer:

"It was made available to the Spartan misthios Kassandra through an Animus modification by Layla Hassan, an Assassin who relieved her memories."

The problem with this sentence is that "made available to. . .Kassandra" would literally mean that Kassandra, the actual person, got the weapon. And how does this sentence say that the actual Kassandra got the weapon? By the fact that Layla made an Animus modification of it. What this sentence basically says is that in the 5th century BCE, Kassandra magically acquired this special battleaxe because more than two thousand years in the future from her time, a woman experiencing her memories through an Animus added a mod for it.

The sentence doesn't make any sense. Yes, we might say that we can understand that it meant the avatar or character of Kassandra in the Animus, not the actual Kassandra, but the sentence doesn't technically specify that and that correction can only be inferred from outside knowledge.

I understand that editors were struggling to word it in a way that makes sense because this is a really unique scenario that hasn't been encountered in the real-world. It is really unfortunate that this badly worded sentence got copied and pasted across so many of our pages. I corrected this sentence several times, and each time, I did it differently because when we write articles, we are not supposed to be thinking that there is some exact, correct way to phrase it every time and that this must be the same across all pages of the same type. Remember what I said about "Spartan misthios Kassandra" vs. "the misthios Kassandra" vs. "Kassandra the Eagle-Bearer". All are correct because all are true. There's no "formatting" standard that you have to pick the same one over the others all the time, and it'd be silly to "standardize" it. Copy and pasting is not good writing. That's not what writing is about.

So as for how I rewrote the sentence in "The Forlì Punisher", this is just one way that it can be written. I understand for the sake of efficiency, editors will be tempted to copy the way I wrote it as a formula and then transcribe it onto all the weapon articles pertaining to Animus mods. Since the sentence is correct, it won't be wrong to do this. But I don't want editors to foster the mentality that this is the only right way to write it because that is how we ended up with the two above examples of bad writing being proliferated across hundreds of pages. Editors see the way something is written, assume it is a "standard", then copy and paste it again and again without thinking about whether it actually makes sense or not. There have also been other cases in the past where something I rewrote did make sense for a particular article, but then editors would again copy and paste that onto similar articles in places where it doesn't work as well.

Formatting is the styling and organization of the article; the writing itself isn't formatting. Good editors should learn to write originally and think each time if they're basing a sentence off another article if that sentence really works the best in the article they're writing.

Your own example of how you might reword it is fine by the way. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 06:11, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Wasn't there a discussion somewhere here about what you've just described, the impossibility of an Animus code patch actually affecting the lives of the subjects thousands of years in the past? Because I'm sure that you're not the only one who has noted that.

You're right, endlessly copy/pasting just ends poorly. Editors can become stuck in rote repetition and don't expand their vocabulary or writing skills, newcomers can pick up and propagate the patterns they've seen to multiply the problem even further (I know I'm guilty of both), and overall it's clumsy for even casual readers to see. Thank you again for reminding me of the example of potential other ways to introduce Kassandra, I'd almost forgotten what with seeing one form near everywhere.

I do know for a fact that at least a few pages are cribbed direct from their database entries, from minor things like some AC2 buildings with just a few paragraphs on them to nearly all of the info on the Eight Tigers. Alas, so much to fix on top of new ACV info, so little time. – Darman (talk) 13:00, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi

Are you the main administrator for this wiki?

My name is Anonymous230385 and I play a lot of Assassin's Creed Odyssey. I've noticed there's a few details that are somewhat incorrect so I figured I want to revise some of the articles related to that.

Is that fine with you?

Sincerely, Anonymous230385 ^{Any questions? Wanna talk?} 19:20, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

This is a public wiki so feel free. If you are unsure about anything or its going to be a major edit it might help to discuss it on a talkpage before going through with the edits. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 19:49, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Hmm. Well okay then.

Most of my edits should be minor actually. Anonymous230385 ^{Any questions? Wanna talk?} 20:22, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome! Yes, I am the main administrator currently. We certainly need a lot of help on our Odyssey articles so your contributions would be appreciated. :) From your edits so far, it seems like you might have some confusion over where the information you should add should be placed. Do you have any questions in regards to that (e.g. the function of a "Behind the scenes" section vs. "Trivia" section, etc.) Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 04:56, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Some question about AC: the Silk Road.

Hello, I read the book and I have some technical questions about informations in the book. Not major spoilers. -There is a Hidden Ones bureau in Antioch. Do we refer it as a part of the Levantine Assassins or the Byzantine/Ottoman Assassins. Levant is a broad term. Today it include the region of Hatay (Antioch) but in the 15th century, all the eastern side of mediterranea was called levant, so Greece, Turkey and even Egypt. -A mention of Hidden Ones in Rome: do we categorized them as Roman Hidden Ones or Italian Assassins. So question is simple if we considered that the Polos only build a guild in Venice and not the Italian Brotherhood. -Basim refered as a Mentor once, but after only as mentor.Francesco75 (talk) 22:01, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

I also see that you make a page on the Sogdians. They are multiple times refered in the Silk Road. As the article is lock, you can update it.Francesco75 (talk) 21:53, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

That's an unresolved matter that's actually quite significant. We basically need to open up a whole forum discussion on it. I know we've touched on it before but never came to solid conclusions. For example, there's the issue that we seem to be unsure whether to treat the Assassins in Alamut as part of the Levantine Brotherhood or the Persian Brotherhood. Since it predates the globalization and expansion initiated by Altaïr ibn-La'Ahad, we might consider the Assassins in Alamut as part of the same branch as the ones in Masyaf which were retrospectively called "the Levantine Brotherhood" by later Assassins. On the other hand, the AC1 game guide describes Al Mualim essentially forming a separate branch when he moved to Masyaf, but it's unclear if this was a de jure distinction or a de facto one.

We did have a more extensive discussion regarding the Roman Hidden Ones vs. Italian Brotherhood and have decided to keep them separate for now. If I can find that discussion, I will give you a link later. For the specific question of Antioch, I can say that I personally dislike using contemporary political borders as the basis for how we conceptualize boundaries in the past. Obviously, political borders have not always been the same, and it doesn't make sense that historical Assassins and Templars' regional divisions would be coterminous with modern borders. (Before, I favoured the idea that there were different branches of Assassins in the Iberian Peninsula during the Reconquista but now we know it was all just one Spanish Brotherhood -.-). From the info you've given me, I don't think we can really draw any conclusion. Are there any more details about their connections with other bureaux?

Also, I've unlocked "Sogdia". You are free to edit it. Thanks for reminding me because I had forgotten I had protected it before. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 08:36, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

It is a quick reference. Basim sent a letter to the Hidden Ones in Rome as for Chinon and Alexandria. Rome responded saying they couldn't sent anyone. Basim ordered Hytham to write them a letter explaining that the situation in Antioch is clear and that they need to rebuild the Bureau of Antioch. So we can imagine there is a bureau in Rome but no other info.

I have another question. In the book they refered multiple times to chai or tea. Can I create a article on tea as it also appeared in AC3 in the Boston Tea party but also as a crafting items. I replay Liberation and I saw we didn't have a article on the trade mecanic of Aveline with the different items. Some items could have an article as coffee (which appeared in Liberation Unity) or fur (AC III, IV, Rogue, Origins). I don't remember all the items so I need to finish Liberation.Francesco75 (talk) 09:33, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

An article on tea would be wonderful. :D And I'm not just saying that because my sister and I have been practicing chadō this past year. Your points about why it merits an article are valid and yes we can also create articles on those other resources and trading goods. Coffee is also mentioned in AC2 when Ezio tries it for the first time.

I wonder if there's any possibility that the bureau of Antioch is its own branch entirely? Thinking it over, it could fall under the Levantine branch, but I would caution that determining that wouldn't depend so much on the geographical limits of the Levant but whether or not lore-wise the bureau is affiliated with the Levantine Brotherhood. The problem with that is that the name "Levantine Brotherhood" currently and strictly-speaking refers to either the state founded by Hassan-i Sabbah and/or the branch established in Masyaf by Al Mualim. This is how our article about it currently describes them. As I said, based on The Essential Guide, we can infer that the name "Levantine Brotherhood" was applied to these Assassins retrospectively, as well as for the Assassins that remained in the region after Altaïr. But for the Assassins in the Levant before the state founded by Hassan-i Sabbah, I think to be safe, we should distinguish them from the Assassins of AC1. Also is there any possibility the Hidden Ones of Antioch are affiliated with the Egyptian branch? Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 17:51, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

In the book, Oisel said, after receiving indication from Basim's informant that "Decidedly, the Levantine Brotherhood is one of the most discret and the most mysterious". Oisel also refered Basim as "one of the Mentor from the East" and said he is the "mentor" of the city of Antioch but it could be a manner to speak as he didn't see any Antiochian Hidden Ones during his journey. Also in some case the narrator used the term Assassin and mentor with a little "m". No direct link with the Egyptian Hidden Ones, they only answered Basim's letter as he sent its to many bureaus across the world.Francesco75 (talk) 18:58, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

AC Sisterhood

Hi Sol,
I see you added a link to your profile for the upcoming AC Sisterhood page, and the new Wiki banner about the #HoldUbisoftAccountable movement. I think it's great, and have been hoping we'd be get to creating the page ever since Access the Animus got theirs, though I admit I'm uncertain how/where to start.

I don't know how much info you've managed to gather so far, but a while back, I drafted the links in my sandbox for a bunch of tweets documenting various stages in the initiative from Kulpreet, official Ubi accounts, and both Aya and Cleopatra's actors. I don't know if the community was already in discussions on it then, but I thought the posts would be important in the future. I forgot to get screenshots what with other projects I have and fixes elsewhere to do, but hopefully they can be a start for sources. – Darman (talk) 02:55, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello Darman. Yes, we're actually in the final stages of publishing an article on AC Sisterhood and have been collaborating with the admins from the other language versions of Assassin's Creed Wiki on it. We have all the notes down, and I only need to do a final rewrite. I was hoping to get it done by tomorrow, but I have been stumped by writer's block. I indeed was wondering if some tweets would help with citations, so your offer actually comes as a pleasant surprise. Thank you very much! I will take a look at them. :) Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 06:03, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Great, glad I could help! Looking over them again after so long, I do think we should include as refs Ubi's statements via @assassinscreed and @MobileACR, if only to compare them against what is now known from games reporting, that little changed internally despite these claims of support.

Oh, and in more recent developments which you may already have seen, both Matthew Kirby and Magnus Bruun have voiced their support, with Kirby's already a ref here (his decision to write Eivor as a woman) while Brunn has approved of the Sisterhood tattoo design in Nov 2020, mentioned the Sisterhood in a Dec interview with @ACFirstCiv, plugged eps 1-4 of the Sisterhood Speaks in March 2021, then appeared on the show in May. I'm pretty sure Cecilie Stenspil supports it, but her interview was short and it's been ages since I saw it. – Darman (talk) 15:40, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Isu groups

Hi Sol,
I've been intermittently keeping tabs on the pages for Odin, Aletheia, and Loki, and after a bunch of recent edits to each by User:TiagoFF, I've noticed something and am confused on how to address it before it spreads further. In TiagoFF's honest efforts to expand these gods' pages, they regularly refer to "Greco-Roman Isu" coming into conflict with the "Asgardian Isu"/Æsir. However, the terms noting which region's mythology they were part of are retroactive, since the Isu were memorialized by humanity as different elements of local legends only after the Great Catastrophe and did not take on those attributes from the start. Both myself and Lacrosse (see their edit comment to Æsir page) agree there were just "the Isu" as a whole, part of which was the group humanity later named the Æsir. How do you think we should best try to cover the unnamed faction?

Related to this, I think we may finally have seen some details about the War of Unification mentioned years ago in Syndicate, even if it's not directly named. Although Eivor's cultural upbringing masks all non-Æsir as jötnar, the Isu are clearly engaged in a civil war, and it seems the Æsir are the splinter faction. However, I cannot think of why the majority of Isu are fighting the Æsir, since there was already strong internal division through Hyrrokin, Angrboða, and Gunnlöð's opinions on humanity and how to save themselves from the Great Catastrophe (see "Mistress of the Iron Wood", "A Feast to Remember", and "Animus Anomalies") even before Odin enters Jötunheimr for the mead. I would suggest the war was sparked by Loki and Angrboða's affair, but that seems too petty a reason. – Darman (talk) 01:00, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Rolling a boulder

Any chance you could chip in on Talk: Sisyphos, please? Then I can shut up about it one way or the other. :P Not that I don't love my edits being wiped wholesale which removes citations altogether. Vetinari^{(Appointment)} 20:12, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Odyssey Timeline

Hi, Sol Pacificus! I've finally finished the timeline for Odyssey, having in thought the levels of each region, the historical events and the location of Kassandra in Greece at the time. Even added the new Crossover Story that's releasing tomorrow. There was a little thing that I saw in a video that definitly puts it as the final memory for Odyssey, after the Fate of Atlantis. Just need some help adding the two DLC Cyclops and the Lysander and Demosthenes storyline: the latter needs to take place after Kassandra has cleared all the forts in Greece, which means near the end of her journey but also needs to match with the Battle of Megara, that occured in 424 BCE historically. I would really like to your feedback on this so I could start correcting the memory pages.TiagoFF (talk) 23:15, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello Tiago. I've just returned to this project. Apologies for being slow at getting back to you. In order for me to have full clarity of how accurate our timeline is turning out, I will need to construct my own chart of the different timelines suggested by the multiple sources and by different users. I have started progress on it, and it will complement your page because I will use yours as a reference as well. It differs from your page in that while you're trying to fit in every memory in the game, I am comparing the chronologies between sources so we have an established reference page for the inconsistencies since we're bound to forget the fine details after a while. I intend to finish this page as soon as possible, and I will definitely work on it every Thursday, but I also am working on our wiki's article on ACSisterhood at the moment, so I need to finish that by the end of this month, so I will be prioritizing on that.

Once I am done with the chart, I can help out with the final unresolved questions about the timeline. Off the top of my head, I'm not sure about the Cyclops, but I was tempted to treat the Lysander and Demosthenes quests as ahistorical to Kassandra's life. I'm not so sure, but I think Lysander should be too young to be a commander during the events of Odyssey. It's about 20 years before his rise to fame at the end of the war, but then again his Wikipedia page doesn't give his age, and it's not impossible for him to have been very old by that point. In any case, I remember Lacrosse thinks Kassandra should have been in jail during the Battle of Megara of 424 BCE since the novel mentions that the Battle of Delium passed during her imprisonment, and the Battle of Megara historically took place between Pylos and Delium I think. However, the novel fudges up all kinds of dates about events that transpired during her imprisonment. I can't recall (or find) if the game also mentions the Battle of Delium in passing.

If indeed Kassandra participated in the Battle of Megara, then we should be able to safely assume she fought with the Spartans against Demosthenes though. At that point in time, she had joined with the Spartans again. Unless she could have been doing Demosthenes' Spartan-hunting quests before she left Athens in the wake of the plague (before proceeding to help Lysander in turn), I don't think she ever canonically helps Demosthenes. Notwithstanding this, one would think if she really did kill so many polemarchs for Demosthenes, she would have never been given a chance to reclaim her home in Sparta. And historically, there were only ever six Sparta polemarchs at a time because they commanded the largest divisions in the army while Athenian polemarchs were ceremonial military officers since actual military command had been transferred over to the position of strategos. It might be noted that the dialogues seem to go out of their way to not refer to the commanders you're tasked to kill as actually polemarchs, which could just be a gameplay term used incorrectly. Regardless, there's just a lot of problems with this pair of questlines. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 09:18, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Sol Pacificus!

No worries about the delay. Everyone here knows that a person replies when he/she is available.

I've checked your timeline (it's really detailed btw) and I think you're right: it might be a good strategy to compare different opinions on this. I really think that the problem is the LotFB: Chapter 1 and the Demosthenes and Lysander questilines. I'll still try to place the Cyclops missions in the timeline when I can, based again on Kassandra's relative location in Greece at the time.

Maybe, in the end, we might be able to build a timeline that everyone can consult if they want to execute the "canon" playthrough. Btw, good luck on the article on ACSisterhood:) TiagoFF (talk) 16:35, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

So I've noticed that you put Lokris, all of Malis, and the Abantis Islands with Thermoylae in your timeline. I'm guessing this is based on the recommended levels for those regions. In my playthrough, I explored Malis and killed Zoisme on the way to Thermopyale before taking a stop at Euboea, imagining that this was Kassandra getting supplies and then getting side-tracked. However, I skipped Lokris until the Boeotia campaign because I just thought it was way too out of the way to make logical sense for Kassandra's trip from Phokis to Thermopylae. Complicating the matter, in the novel, she just sails with her crew straight to Thermopylae. If that were the case, how could she ever have passed through the rest of Malis to kill Zoisme?

This heads into the territory of novel vs. game, which we will still have to resolve later, but for now, I do have an idea of a different scenario which could at least maintain Kassandra's assassination of Zoisme. The Adrestia itself had to have sailed to Thermopylae, but perhaps Kassandra decided to trek overland through Malis to rendezvous with her crew in Thermopylae? This isn't entirely unreasonable if she knew that her ship is known to her enemies and wanted to throw them off for a moment while she hunted Zoisme. Still, it's just a proposed headcanon. Her reason doesn't matter so much if we decide to favor the game's tracking of her journey, but this is a problem we would have to eventually solve. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 04:28, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

I thought that we could put Zoisme assassination after Thermopylae, since is the only timing where Kassandra is near her location. (And, before altering the Silver Islands arc to 426 BCE, when Kassandra would found Myrrine she would've killed 19 Cultists, like you have hypothesised before. So, I based on that.

I also put the Lokris arc in the way to Andros and before Euboea because of the clue to find the identity of Skylax the Fair. That way, Kassandra would've found his location and then, assassinates him when on Chalkis. Also, the Lokris questline is a bit small. I guess that probably the Adrestia stopped there just to rest? I honestly don't know why but it makes sense because of the clue. - TiagoFF (talk) 19:12, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Creative vs development

I was going through some pages we have on ACV comics following the announcment of Forgotten Myths, and I'm wondering if you know what the difference is, if any, between the game development teams and comic creative teams. Wouldn't creators be developers, even if it's a different medium, and shouldn't we file them under that category instead? – Darman (talk) 00:25, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, but I honestly have no idea. :P Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 04:28, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Hmm, OK. Just thought I'd ask if you knew something I missed. Would it be alright if I consolidated the categories, then? – Darman (talk) 06:40, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello again. I'm working on recategorizing the Blood Brothers and Song of Glory images to fit their new page names, and was reminded when editing Feng Zisu's page that I had asked this question last year. Do you have a better idea on whether there's a difference between a comic's creative or development team? If there's no difference, may I merge the categories or would you rather something else? – Darman (talk) 20:51, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Paragraphs dispute

I've read your reply on Soranin's page, and I'd like to thank you for interceding. I clearly did not know the best way to resolve it nor how to fix the actual matters at hand, and I'm sorry you had to step in, as I know I made it worse by provoking Sarasti through my own misunderstandings. I'd also like to apologize for my conduct. That was unbecoming behavior as a veteran member to be so rude to a new user, and I'm sorry you saw that. Reading Sarasti's comments and note on my talk page, I thought theyt sounded similar to how Batalex would smugly insist he knew better than us after spamming Warren Vidic and Adam Smith's pages. Instead of lashing out in misguided attempt to defend both myself and Soranin on being told that our work was unintelligable, I should have stepped away and let someone else try to fix the situation. Soranin clearly had the cooler head than I, if based only for her short comment and tagging you to judge the incident. – Darman (talk) 16:20, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Proofreading

Thank you for letting me know. I believed how I start things off was a bit mundane as well, but I did not want to stray from the structures I looked over, in terms of previous materials/items made before. Anyway, thank you. I'll do my best to take this into consideration and better my wording for future works. Batfan13 (talk) 23:59, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Trying to contact someone to approve edits

I made a couple of changes on the armor page (Odyssey), and wanted to perhaps make a few more, but they keep getting reverted. I'm looking for an admin with a few minutes to spare to contact me at my e-mail (preferably) so that these changes will stay permanent. I've played every AC at least once or thrice, and am on my second play-through of Odyssey and noticed some incorrect information in some areas (i.e. the "Athenian Helmet" is only obtained from the "Portion Control" quest, and cannot actually be purchased from a blacksmith, or looted) that I would be happy to aid in correcting so other gamers like myself who enjoy using this wiki don't get led astray. Thank you Chrisrayotwell (talk) 21:25, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello Chrisrayotwell, from your contributions record, I only see a single edit on the "Armor" page before you contacted me. Were you using a different account to edit before this? The way wikis work is that anyone can edit almost any page without official approval from admins. You don't need to ask. But your edits can also be reverted, and there's a culture of mutual respect and consideration. So we want editors to take initiative when they think an edit should be made, but when an edit might be contentious or controversial, you should usually try to communicate with others by using the article's talk page first. If staff reverts your edits without comment—although I always encourage that editors leave explanations when they revert—it might be because your edit violated the manual of style, current conventions, or it was just a simple mistake. So we always advise new editors to read and familiarize themselves with the manual. You can also always try contacting the contributor who reverted your edits for an explanation.

In regards to the specific edit you were referring to about "Athenian Helmet", it was likely reverted because our moderator thought you were mistaken because these details in Odyssey can be hard to verify. If you are confident that you are correct about this, you could try making the same edit again and using the edit summary to clarify the reasoning for your edit. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 19:06, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Thoughtful response

I appreciate your detailed & thoughtful response to my querry re: edits. And, yes, I did leave out the proper link when I edited that particular item. I believe it was corrected by another admin though, thankfully.

I did have a few other questions re: the addition of notations to a couple of items. There is an EPIC Persian Warrior's Waistband that is looted from the Ruined Sanctuary of Ajax with a unique +50% CRIT Damage, which is lost forever until a New Game Plus if it is sold or dismantled- good to note somehow for gear collectors.

There is also an EPIC Bandit's Bow with +50% CRIT Damage, and an EPIC Dark Steel Mask with +100% CRIT Damage while Full Health, both of which are only sold by the Oikos of the Olympians. To be able to purchase these though, you can't have an identical unique RARE or EPIC in your inventory or storage of the same type; i.e. I couldn't buy the Bandit's Bow from the Oikos until I dismantled the Odessa's Bow in my Ship Storage.

I also have a Spartan Waistband with unique flavor text which I am trying to find where I received/found it in a current NG+. The text reads "You can tell the work of a Spartan craftsman, and this belt is a prime example."

Just something to think about.Chrisrayotwell (talk) 19:36, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Citation for source(s): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqQC3i3hwSg&t=0s

Peony

I just added a link from Wiki. Don't know if I put the culture section, but it is there. Letting you know. Batfan13 (talk) 21:51, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Checking names

Was clicking through the Timeline infobox during our discussion on the Mongols, and on seeing the page for the Siege of Diaoyu Castle, I clicked the WP link out of curiosity, and turns out WP changed the castle's name to Diaoyucheng for the building and siege pages ever since Nov 2019, citing its Common Name principle. I was going to move our pages to match the changes, but I remembered our discussions on updating our naming policies, where you said that us using WP's name policy could cause problems we'd have to regularly fix, and as an example pointed to our omission of Gaius Julius Caesar's praenomen. Can I still move them, or should I just change the {{WP|REAL}} link instead? – Darman (talk) 01:25, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello Darman, thanks for checking in with me. Yes, we don't follow by Wikipedia's common name policy. In this case, we should prioritizing using the name as formatted in Tomb of the Khan or any other Assassin's Creed source it may have been mentioned. The chéng (城) just means 'castle', so whether we call it "Siege of Diaoyucheng" or "Siege of Diaoyu Castle" really makes little difference. It's just whichever Assassin's Creed uses. (P.S. The diàoyú (釣魚) simply means 'fishing', so technically it could also be translated as "Siege of Fishing Castle" :D, which is what I would do if I were a historian. But let's use the name as formatted in Assassin's Creed.) Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 02:12, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Cut content of ACID

A little bird send me the game text file of ACID, it revealed some old Stories, cut Database entries and more things never released in the game. (Specially Black Flag Update) I put the old stories in Niccolò Machiavelli's journal.

And I have a question, can I create some articles for cut Database entries? –UJ112013 16:21, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Codex fixed, mostly

I managed to (mostly) fix the Codex pages with pics and paragraphs—I've described it in more detail on my talk page— but it's still...not quite right. Do you know what went wrong? Thanks for alerting me to its issues, I hadn't seen that. – Darman (talk) 13:50, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Dynasty translations

I was rereading the Dynasty pages for what issues you've translated (currently, Flower Banquet 1-3 and Golden Turtles 2-5) and I'm simply here to say that I really like your work summarizing them and honestly view it a good cut above the Titan comic summaries we use from the Ubi forums. Even if the issue isn't written out but the info is on a main page, like with Yan Jiming's bio up until Beacon Fire 6, I still find the way you write the details flows really well. I know there's plenty on your plate, and having few editors here who can read Chinese and translate it while still keeping local idioms intact limits our ability to update them yet, but just thought I'd tell you. :)

(P.S. I still think your initial wording of "[Xianzhi] pins [Lingcheng] over a merlon, threatening to oblige his wish to exit Tong Pass by yeeting him right off the wall" is hilarious. Very serious events described just smash-cut straight to casual slang lol) – Darman (talk) 02:10, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

Raphael Sánchez

Hello, I would like to ask if there is any evidence to prove that Raphael Sánchez is Jewish.一个赛艇门 (talk) 06:29, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Neither Raphael Sánchez nor Luis de Santángel were explicitly called Jewish in Discovery, but their forced conversions to Christianity are mentioned. Raphael Sánchez in "Survive the Ambush" refers to these "reluctant conversions" in the plural, and for Luis, it is brought up towards the end of the game again in "Rid the Palace of Inquisitors". That they were referring to being converted from Judaism (as opposed to Islam or another religion) is technically extrapolated from external sources since Luis de Santángel was known to have been a converted Jew historically and because in Spanish converso in this era was understood to mean converted Jews. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 13:31, 5 July 2022 (UTC)