Talk:Ratonhnhaké:ton/Archive 2

Move proposal

It would seem that Connor's name is not Connor Kenway. It was a misconception that originated with GameInformer, and it quickly spread the web. Alex Hutchinson already quickly addressed the matter by saying that the name is a spoiler. However, I do not have an official source for this, other than an inside source. Therefore we can't just remove any trace of the surname Kenway, and completely removing it would also raise suspicion.

However, I cannot help but be bothered with seeing his name like this though, and thus I would like to request a move to Ratonhnhaké:ton, his birth name. When the game does come out, the article title will either have to be Ratonhnhaké:ton or Connor. I personally find Connor to be a bit on the short side, and it is merely a pseudonym. Therefore I think that the name Ratonhnhaké:ton would be the better of the two options, and we can already move the article now without removing the traces of the name Kenway. Even if Connor does turn out to take on the name Kenway and I am wrong, this name would still be a pseudonym and not his actual birth name. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 21:39, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

;Move to Ratonhnhaké:ton

1. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 21:39, October 1, 2012 (UTC)
2. I've always liked his Native name rather than Connor. Bonzi_06 21:49, October 1, 2012 (UTC)
3. I still don't like what happened to Al Mualim, but if it's standard procedure, by all means. Stormbeast ♉ ^{The Helpful Place} 01:12, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
4. Ratohnhaké:ton, to me, just sounds much more authentic. Have "Connor" redirect to the page. --Jjacobmartinn (talk) 05:19, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
5. Gr. Edit conflict. -- ~ GI Auditore ^{Comms Channel} 05:20, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
6. While I initially thought typing the name into a search bar would be a bitch, now that the suggestions pop up once again, I support this. --Kainzorus Prime ^{Walkie-talkie} 07:24, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
7. --ACsenior (talk) 13:05, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Keep as Connor Kenway and move to Connor later

1. There's a reason Connor is Connor and it's so his name is easier for us to say and write. Using his birth name defeats the purpose of him having an assumed name. Look at Michael Caine, Prince, George Michael, Elton John and Freddie Mercury, those aren't birthnames but they're the names these people go by. --Alientraveller (talk) 21:58, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

1. As long as a redirect to Ratonhnhaké:ton exists, I won't mind at all. Slate Vesper (talk) 21:46, October 1, 2012 (UTC)
   1. I second this. I will still call him 'Connor Kenway' until I'm proven wrong officially. Crimson Knight _Intercom 18:28, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
2. Alientraveller, in regards to that, we have always used real names rather than the pseudonyms or titles that characters are most known by. For example Suleiman the Magnificent is called Suleiman I. Real names have always taken precedence over the names people are most known by. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 22:15, October 1, 2012 (UTC)
3. I wouldn't consider it a pseudonym or title, it's a completely valid alternative name with historical precedent: notable Native Americans (eg. Joseph and Molly Brant, Joseph Cook, John Norton) from the period adopted English names for ease of communication. I'm suggesting third option now, of Connor Ratohnhaketon, similar to Joseph Brant's parents being called Peter and Margaret Tehonwaghkwangearahkwa. Anyway, this is all my opinion, I don't mean to sway anyone one way or the other. Both names are valid for Ubisoft and should be used across the Wiki. --Alientraveller (talk) 23:09, October 1, 2012 (UTC)
4. Hm you know Sima... now that you mention it, that does sound like a good idea. Alientraveler, putting "Connor" and then his birth name is kinda redundant as it is not a surname but his birth name. One thing I am curious about is bringing up La Volpe, as it is not his real name even though he goes by it. Well I don't have much else to say on this matter.. so long we have a redirect because I don't think I can memorize the spelling of Connor's birth name. Supreme Master Assassin^{IL Mentori} 04:49, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
5. I'm a hold out until the game is released. I prefer Connor but Sima makes a very good point. -- ► Kaloneous ◄ _{♣^HelpDesk♣} 04:54, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
6. Why don't we just wait until the Game release and update it according to the database entry. Il Prode lupo ~ Temi il Lupo! ~ Rispettare il Lupo! 05:04, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
7. That won't do, Bob - Revelations database still had "Al Mualim" there, while the novel named Rashid properly. I suspect it will be the case here too. --Kainzorus Prime ^{Walkie-talkie} 07:34, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
8. Does that mean every 'Connor' in his article will be changed to Ratohnhaketon or is it just the page name? And does that mean everytime we link Connor's page we will have to write his full name? ___EnterRandomNamƎ___ ^{YOUR AD HERE} 13:21, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
9. You'll be able to just link with an alias. Same way the pages that say "Al Mualim" still have Rashid ad-Din Sinan in the link. That, and copy-pasting isn't hard.--Kainzorus Prime ^{Walkie-talkie} 13:28, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
10. This the same discussion that was discussed earlier further up the page. in my view there is precedent either way, not sure you can properly compare an assumed name/pseudonym with a title, in most countries a name taken up by someone for use as an identifier is an official name and treated the same as a birth name, regardless if you replace your previous/birth name or are known by both.Ægritudo _Talk 13:32, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

One week of voting has passed, and the majority is in favor of changing the name to Ratonhnhaké:ton as opposed to leaving it like it is. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 08:05, October 8, 2012 (UTC)