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Move proposal

It would seem that Connor's name is not Connor Kenway. It was a misconception that originated with GameInformer, and it quickly spread the web. Alex Hutchinson already quickly addressed the matter by saying that the name is a spoiler. However, I do not have an official source for this, other than an inside source. Therefore we can't just remove any trace of the surname Kenway, and completely removing it would also raise suspicion.

However, I cannot help but be bothered with seeing his name like this though, and thus I would like to request a move to Ratonhnhaké:ton, his birth name. When the game does come out, the article title will either have to be Ratonhnhaké:ton or Connor. I personally find Connor to be a bit on the short side, and it is merely a pseudonym. Therefore I think that the name Ratonhnhaké:ton would be the better of the two options, and we can already move the article now without removing the traces of the name Kenway. Even if Connor does turn out to take on the name Kenway and I am wrong, this name would still be a pseudonym and not his actual birth name. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 21:39, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

;Move to Ratonhnhaké:ton

1. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 21:39, October 1, 2012 (UTC)
2. I've always liked his Native name rather than Connor. Bonzi_06 21:49, October 1, 2012 (UTC)
3. I still don't like what happened to Al Mualim, but if it's standard procedure, by all means. Stormbeast ♉ ^{The Helpful Place} 01:12, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
4. Ratohnhaké:ton, to me, just sounds much more authentic. Have "Connor" redirect to the page. --Jjacobmartinn (talk) 05:19, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
5. Gr. Edit conflict. -- ~ GI Auditore ^{Comms Channel} 05:20, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
6. While I initially thought typing the name into a search bar would be a bitch, now that the suggestions pop up once again, I support this. --Kainzorus Prime ^{Walkie-talkie} 07:24, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
7. --ACsenior (talk) 13:05, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Keep as Connor Kenway and move to Connor later

1. There's a reason Connor is Connor and it's so his name is easier for us to say and write. Using his birth name defeats the purpose of him having an assumed name. Look at Michael Caine, Prince, George Michael, Elton John and Freddie Mercury, those aren't birthnames but they're the names these people go by. --Alientraveller (talk) 21:58, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

1. As long as a redirect to Ratonhnhaké:ton exists, I won't mind at all. Slate Vesper (talk) 21:46, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

1. 1. I second this. I will still call him 'Connor Kenway' until I'm proven wrong officially. Crimson Knight _Intercom 18:28, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
2. Alientraveller, in regards to that, we have always used real names rather than the pseudonyms or titles that characters are most known by. For example Suleiman the Magnificent is called Suleiman I. Real names have always taken precedence over the names people are most known by. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 22:15, October 1, 2012 (UTC)
3. I wouldn't consider it a pseudonym or title, it's a completely valid alternative name with historical precedent: notable Native Americans (eg. Joseph and Molly Brant, Joseph Cook, John Norton) from the period adopted English names for ease of communication. I'm suggesting third option now, of Connor Ratohnhaketon, similar to Joseph Brant's parents being called Peter and Margaret Tehonwaghkwangearahkwa. Anyway, this is all my opinion, I don't mean to sway anyone one way or the other. Both names are valid for Ubisoft and should be used across the Wiki. --Alientraveller (talk) 23:09, October 1, 2012 (UTC)
4. Hm you know Sima... now that you mention it, that does sound like a good idea. Alientraveler, putting "Connor" and then his birth name is kinda redundant as it is not a surname but his birth name. One thing I am curious about is bringing up La Volpe, as it is not his real name even though he goes by it. Well I don't have much else to say on this matter.. so long we have a redirect because I don't think I can memorize the spelling of Connor's birth name. Supreme Master Assassin^{IL Mentori} 04:49, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
5. I'm a hold out until the game is released. I prefer Connor but Sima makes a very good point. -- ► Kaloneous ◄ _{♣^HelpDesk♣} 04:54, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
6. Why don't we just wait until the Game release and update it according to the database entry. Il Prode lupo ~ Temi il Lupo! ~ Rispettare il Lupo! 05:04, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
7. That won't do, Bob - Revelations database still had "Al Mualim" there, while the novel named Rashid properly. I suspect it will be the case here too. --Kainzorus Prime ^{Walkie-talkie} 07:34, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
8. Does that mean every 'Connor' in his article will be changed to Ratohnhaketon or is it just the page name? And does that mean everytime we link Connor's page we will have to write his full name? ___EnterRandomNamƎ___ ^{YOUR AD HERE} 13:21, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
9. You'll be able to just link with an alias. Same way the pages that say "Al Mualim" still have Rashid ad-Din Sinan in the link. That, and copy-pasting isn't hard.--Kainzorus Prime ^{Walkie-talkie} 13:28, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
10. This the same discussion that was discussed earlier further up the page. in my view there is precedent either way, not sure you can properly compare an assumed name/pseudonym with a title, in most countries a name taken up by someone for use as an identifier is an official name and treated the same as a birth name, regardless if you replace your previous/birth name or are known by both.Ægritudo _Talk 13:32, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

One week of voting has passed, and the majority is in favor of changing the name to Ratonhnhaké:ton as opposed to leaving it like it is. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 08:05, October 8, 2012 (UTC)

Who is Ratonhnhaké:ton

I gotta reply to this Master Sima Yi guy. Connor Kenway if it is his name is his official name. It doesn't matter if it's not his actual birthname or not. When making bio's and the like you use the name they are most well known for, not what name they were given at birth. For example below...

Taken name ~ Given Name

Jackie Chan ~ Chan Kong-sang

Charlie Sheen ~ Carlos Irwin Estevez

Ferdinand Magellan ~ Fernão de Magalhães

Genghis Khan ~ Temujin

Mahatma Ghandi ~ Mohandas Ghandi

Cristopher Columbus ~ Cristoforo Colombo

People know who Snoop Dogg is not who Calvin Cordozar Broadus is.

LancelotLoire (talk) 09:33, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

There has been a vote, the majority voted for Ratonhnhaké:ton. Thus, the page is named so. There are still redirects that bring you from "Connor Kenway" to the actual page. Nesty ^{Contact me!} 09:58, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

This "Master Sima Yi guy" has already pointed out that his name isn't Kenway to start with, and there indeed has been a vote in which the majority voted for Ratonhnhaké:ton. You should have voted Nay when the vote was still open, and even then the majority would have voted Yay. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 10:03, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

Forget the Kenway part then. His name is officially "Connor". There is no mistaking it for anything else. Have you ever heard of Tȟatȟáŋka Íyotake? No you probably haven't, because he's known by his adopted name Sitting Bull.LancelotLoire (talk) 12:31, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah we get your point man, but there was a vote for it you know so just get over it. i particularly like Ratonhnhaké:ton anyway. Trever09 (talk) 12:35, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

I have never heard of Sitting Bull either. You keep completely ignoring the fact that Connor is not the name he is known by, but one of two names. He still goes by the name Ratonhnhaké:ton among his fellow Native Americans, but goes by the name Connor among the colonists. With two names he is known by, why would Connor be the dominating one, while Ratonhnhaké:ton is his actual birth name? It also has no use in battling the result of a community vote. If you really are so dissatisfied with it, you can create a new vote in the same format as I did mine. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 12:37, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

Sitting Bull was a Lakota chieftan famous for defeating Custer at the battle of little big horn. Also should include this link http://assassinscreed.ubi.com/ac3/en-gb/game-info/index.aspx which shows even ubisoft only uses the name 'Connor' in fact not once on that page is Ratonhnhaké:ton mentioned. I have no idea how these votes of yours go or anything, as I only just visited this wikia today. As for Connor being the dominate name, I've shown you several examples of how adopted names are dominate over birth names. There are really no examples of birth names being dominant over an adopted name.LancelotLoire (talk) 12:47, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, Ubisoft always uses the name Connor because they shamelessly said multiple times that even though have trouble pronouncing and writing the name Ratonhnhaké:ton. Does that mean we should too? It's the actual released media that we go by, not promotional material. As for your other examples, they have no relevance to Connor's case. I get where you are coming from but I disagree with you, and something as major as this will not be changed back without a community vote. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 12:50, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

Then set up another vote. And as for should we too... Yes I think we should also. I have only really seen very few mentions of that Ratonhnhaké:ton.. On a quick subject change. I have an even bigger issue of a racial stand. Replacing the word "Native American" with the more correct 'Mohawk'.LancelotLoire (talk) 13:07, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

That last point can easily be done, but I am not setting up another vote seeing as I don't want it changed. If you want a new vote, you will have to create it yourself. I have no problem offering help to somebody else, but this is with the intention of undoing something I have done (which I still support) and that is just silly. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 13:10, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you on the Mohawk change. Native American is imo a racial slur created by politicians. And that last part of what you said... As the admin you should not have any opinion whatsoever. It's even worse when there is a historical standpoint to the counter argument showing false info.LancelotLoire (talk) 13:17, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

An admin is just a member like everyone else entrusted with additional duties and is just as well entitled to his own opinion and to express that. You are just as well capable to start that vote, and I'm not going to start it for you if you don't even try. If you have tried and are facing problems, I will help out. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 13:21, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

Honestly, I have no idea where to look to put a vote up in the first place. LancelotLoire (talk) 13:24, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

You just do it here, create a new section explaining your opinion, then create three sections titled Yay, Nay and Comments similar to the vote up above... -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 13:25, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

Article Rename

Alright with Master Sima Yi's allowing a new vote about the naming style here it is. You can still check the previous vote to see the reasoning and I'll include a couple countering arguments under the comments.LancelotLoire (talk) 13:54, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

Leave as Ratonhnhaké:ton

1. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 13:58, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
2. There's no reason for you to be having another vote, we did it a while back, you should have voted then. It should stay as his birth name. --Jjacobmartinn (talk) 14:03, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
3. --Odranoelluta^{Talk✲<choose><option>http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel-cinematic-universe/images/1/18/Sig.png</option></choose>} 14:06, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
4. I think we should keep it like this until we know more from the game (which isn't too far away at all). After that we will know more for sure and this vote is premature in the sense that it could have waited until after the game was out. ► Kaloneous ◄ _{♣^HelpDesk♣} 14:09, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
5. ThatRandomUser ~Lair of Randomness ^{(Enter at own risk)} 14:11, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
6. This second vote is unnecessary and pointless. Crimson Knight _Intercom 14:50, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
7. We already voted on this. ~ GI Auditore ^{Comms Channel} 14:54, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
8. I'll have to agree with Kal on this one.. --VATSA (TALK • GENTEK) 14:58, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
9. I'd like to vote for "Connor", but then I'd be wrong. -- 'R BlaiddDdraig ^{Funk Man's Funky House of Funk} 15:06, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
10. --ACsenior (talk) 15:24, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
11. This is me agreeing with V and Kal. Stormbeast ♉ ^{The Helpful Place} 16:39, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
12. This is me agreeing with Stormbeast, who is agreeing with V and Kal. Slate Vesper (talk) 16:43, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
13. This is me going "Denied" at a proposal put forward by a user who just joined and thinks they know better than the majority of the community. --Kainzorus Prime ^{Walkie-talkie} 22:37, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
14. This is me agreeing with Slate, who is agreeing with Storm, who is agreeing with V who is agreeing with Kal...also I agree with Kain. Lucan07^{Haunt me...and Stuff} 08:48, October 20, 2012 (UTC)
15. Guys, this is just silly. You can still type Connor in the search and it will simply bring you to the correct page. I really, really do not see the use in this vote. Nesty ^{Contact me!} 09:13, October 20, 2012 (UTC)
16. I'm voting this one sounds better and its original too Trever09 (talk) 10:45, October 20, 2012 (UTC)
17. No reason to make it Connor. His birth name is what he should be called. The Dark Knight (talk) 18:58, October 20, 2012 (UTC)
18. As it stands, "Connor" is nothing more than an adopted nom de guerre. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 12:13, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
19. my view is that either name works just as well as the other, but since the majority of the community prefer ratonhnhake:ton and that is how it is currently named i do not see a reason to change again. Ægritudo _Talk 17:22, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
20. Doesn't this wiki have a policy of using birth names over common names? An example would be the Al Mualim page. I also agree with Kal and everyone who agreed with him. SkytowerC (talk) 20:25, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Change to Connor

1. LancelotLoire (talk) 13:54, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
2. I actually think that Connor sounds better. Call me lazy, but I prefer typing Connor instead of Ratonhnhaké. AssassinHood - Let's talk! 14:11, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
3. I think Connor Kenway is better since everyone calls him Connor both in the game and media. While Ratonhnhaké:ton is known throughout both game and media, but it was rarely used. Ratonhnhaké:ton should be the one redirected not Connor Kenway. --Cococrash11 (talk) 21:44, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
4. I very much prefer Connor Kenway in every way, that Connor still redirects to Ratonhnhaké:ton doesn't feel the same, i think it was better when the page had it's original name. AzureHibiki (talk) 15:56, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
5. I think that it should be changed to 'Connor Kenway' because his fathers name IS Haythan Kenway, and if he had to pick a British surname it would probably be Kenway. But, as we don't have significant proof of that yet, I will settle for 'Connor'. Also, even though I'm an anon on the wiki, my name on the ubi forums is Jexx21. 72.78.92.97 23:34, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
6. I'm with Connor all the way, as that is what he goes by. And the revote is so after actually playing the game, people can decide what name they want. Redexx- You have no idea who you're dealing with (talk) 20:55, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

1. The first example used was "Suleiman the Magnificent" being known as Suleiman I has no bearing in the concept. 'the Magnificent' aspect of his name is an epithet which are generally never used during the person's life. A far better example would be that of Augustus who was the first emperor of Rome. His actual birth name was Gaius Octavius. Furthermore to bring up some people more closely related, Joseph Brant(Thayendanegea), Joseph Louis Cook(Akiatonharónkwen), John Deseronot(Deserontyon), are all Mohawk's from during the revolutionary war who are listed and known under adopted names with a mention of their tribal name. LancelotLoire (talk) 13:54, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
2. I don't think connor's names can be judged the same way as rashid's.in that case it was a title vs his name.but connor and ratonhnhake:ton are both his official names.his english name and his mohawk name.sure ratonhnhake:ton is his birth name,but connor is the name he adopts as an assassin moving through the colonies.and only among his people does anybody call him ratonhnhake:ton.the name he most commonly goes by is connor.not ratonhnhake:ton.--Assassin of 81 (talk) 14:49, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
3. Looking like the vote is unanamous for Ratonahake:ton. Trever09 (talk) 19:03, October 20, 2012 (UTC)
4. Note that the vote says "Change to Connor", not "Change to Connor Kenway". Kenway is not part of his name, it would seem. It's not being moved to Connor Kenway either way unless it is explicitly stated so in the game. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 15:59, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
5. This is directed at SkytowerC. You mentioned the example "Al Mualim". That is arabic for 'The Teacher' or 'The Mentor' IE: A title. A title is comparable to an epithet which has no bearing on this. An adopted name is more important then an actual birth name.LancelotLoire (talk) 11:30, October 22, 2012 (UTC)
6. @LancelotLoire: We have Rodrigo Borgia's article under his birthname despite the fact that he died "Alexander VI". (When somebody is elected Pope, their name is legally and officially changed to that which they have adopted). --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 11:55, October 22, 2012 (UTC)
7. I have to say that this vote was pointless. (Due to it having been done already and thinking that its outcome would be any different. Trever09 (talk) 18:57, October 22, 2012 (UTC)
8. You speak for us all. Crimson Knight _Intercom 19:00, October 22, 2012 (UTC)
9. I kinda got the idea that it was the majoritys opinion. Trever09 ^{A place for Chivalry | Blog} 22:39, October 22, 2012 (UTC)
10. To be fair Rodrigo Borgia was introduced into the games as Rodrigo Borgia, And was under that name for most of his appearances.
11. Is this basically over now?Trever09 ^{A place for Chivalry | Blog} 09:53, October 24, 2012 (UTC)
12. If Kenway isn't real then why was it there the first time? You need proof, why change Connor Kenway's name to Ratonhnhaké:ton before the game was even released? You should have change the name in the release date not before the release date. The Birth Name is from a trailer not from the game itself, beside what makes you so sure it's Ratonhnhaké:ton not Connor Kenway? It could be for all we know could be the other way around in the game. Maybe in the game it's both Ratonhnhaké:ton and Connor Kenway together, I hope that's the case and that way we can just pick Connor Kenway. I rather look at the game not the trailer. --Cococrash11 (talk) 19:49, October 24, 2012 (UTC)
13. Because this. Kindly look at the birth name. --Kainzorus Prime ^{Walkie-talkie} 19:56, October 24, 2012 (UTC)
14. 6 days until the game is out then we will know for sure. Please (everyone) just take a step back, Ubisoft has been tight lipped about his parentage as it plays a significant element in the story. ► Kaloneous ◄ _{♣^HelpDesk♣} 19:54, October 24, 2012 (UTC)
15. Maybe for you. I refuse to play it consolewise so I'm sitting at another month until release LancelotLoire (talk) 04:20, October 25, 2012 (UTC)
16. Well, that's your fault, not ours. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 08:18, October 25, 2012 (UTC)
17. My PC isn't nearly good enough to handle AC3 well. It would look absolutely terrible on my screen. So, PS3 it is. Honestly I've always preferred the console versions. --Jjacobmartinn (talk) 05:17, October 25, 2012 (UTC)
18. To be honest thats why i love ps3 no worries about RAM, can just play games flawlessly. Trever09 ^{A place for Chivalry | Blog} 09:42, October 25, 2012 (UTC)
19. I think we should wait until the game actually comes out and determine what he should be named as by which one is used to refer to him more in game.Gboy4 (talk) 14:49, October 26, 2012 (UTC)
20. Am leaving this vote up for a couple weeks as the game is apparently coming out in a couple days. That'll give some of you the chance to experience the game to make your decisions. So if you want to change your vote just remove your previous vote.LancelotLoire (talk) 07:58, October 28, 2012 (UTC)
21. In that case, Redexx, wouldn't it have made sense to make the vote after the game was released? Crimson Knight _Intercom 20:58, October 31, 2012 (UTC)
22. I saw that after I published, though its hardly worth commenting about. Redexx- You have no idea who you're dealing with (talk) 21:05, October 31, 2012 (UTC)
23. I think it is. I don't really see the point in changing his name before official release. But, it's released now, so this is basically over. Crimson Knight _Intercom 21:09, October 31, 2012 (UTC)
24. Nobody seems to be changing their vote. The vote has been open much longer than the usual standard of one week. The vote has been in favor of keeping it as Ratonhnhaké:ton. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 07:41, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry some of us don't have internet access every single day. Which is why I wasn't able to vote the first time through. I also find that the people in charge of this community are lacking or at least one of them is. Whoever went and edited my page. It's purely pathetic and immature of you. Grow up.LancelotLoire (talk) 08:26, November 6, 2012 (UTC)

No-one edited your page from what I can tell. I checked the revision history, and it was only you and the Wikia welcome message. Quite frankly, I find your attitude to be the thing that's pathetic, considering you're trying to insult Staff members and Administrators because you couldn't get your way. Slate Vesper (talk) 12:21, November 6, 2012 (UTC)

Do not edit my page. I edited that in because somebody had edited something onto my page. And it's not an insult to staff members and administrators. It's calling out one person doing something childish whose identity I am not aware of. Insulting would be if I was to drop names which I don't have. As far as the vote I have passed it on. As you could note from the above I did not make some comment towards the community in general about their opinions but apologized for my tardiness and closed the vote. Then because there was no other place to think of I brought up the editing. Which had to do with this page LancelotLoire (talk) 21:38, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

Slate said that nobody edited your page, and if you look at your user page's history section you can see that nobody actually did. What are you speaking of? -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 21:42, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

The name Ratonhnhaké:ton was placed on my page in a poor taste of humor.LancelotLoire (talk) 21:49, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

Also, I brought up the point on insulting the Staff and Administrators since you so kindly mentioned "I also find that the people in charge of this community are lacking or at least one of them is."

Unless you intend to clarify that somehow, I can't help but take it as your attempt to slag us off, to put it quite bluntly. Even in the event that a person (and not what seems like a phantom) edited your page, the most mature outcome should have been that you would have left us a message on our talk pages, and then we could have resolved the issue, instead of acting in an arrogant manner. Slate Vesper (talk) 21:50, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

The one person that I knew of as a person 'in charge' was also kind of somebody I suspected to have done it. I made a general call out towards a single person with the inclusion of the group that the person would of had to of fallen into. Was it insulting? No it wasn't. Lacking represents missing, and as I was talking about somebody being "In Charge" I am implying that they are not acting in that manner. Which is a statement. The edit was a pathetic attempt at a joke or something and was immature. Also take note that I did clarify what it was.LancelotLoire (talk) 22:13, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

For the very last time: Nobody edited your page. Why do you insist on saying so, when I showed you your own user page's history and there is nothing even in there and you can see that it was already there when your page was created by Wikia? However, you were not particularly insulting as you were contemptuous. And just to clarify more, nobody is "in charge." -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 22:22, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

Because there is apparently a rule that does not allow to remove this and put it behind. And because not all the information was included on this page.

The wikia has a glitch where the first page you edit the name of which is tacked onto your profile page. This is unlike any other wikia out there so I figured this was Master Sima Yi making a slam towards me with an administrative edit on my talk page. Which last time I remembered (Albeit this was a long time ago) somebody with an administration account on a wikia could make administrative edits. Especially upon taking into effect the above conversation before this vote. Did I perhaps choose the wrong page to post this on? Perhaps, but as the one admin I actually knew the name of was the one that I was debating with before I had noticed I felt it would be a moot point.

Now after that said I will apologize for my jumping to the conclusion. I am sorry that I assumed you were attempting a cheap shot at me. It was wrong of me to jump to such a conclusion but this is the internet and it's very hard to know what kind of people you're dealing with especially when your conversations are mostly contained into a debate of sorts. I apologize to the community for dragging you all into what should have been a private matter. And as a last note I will say that I am thankful that this glitch has been put into the spotlight so that people in the future will hopefully not fall under the same assumption I did. LancelotLoire (talk) 22:51, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

Scar on lip

The trivia is inaccurate. Connor does have a scar on his lip, if you look at him in-game. It isn't as large as any of the other protagonist's scars, though. It's a very small one on the right side of his upper lip. CryptoKiller (talk) 12:44, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

I'll semi confirm this. http://constantinflux.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/connor-kenway.png 

The scar looks to just be on his top lip only though. When all the others have the scar across both lips.LancelotLoire (talk) 19:43, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

Change Birth Year

From what I remember Haytham met/bedded Connor's mother in either June or July of 1775 so Connor couldn't have possibly been born in 1775. He was born in February/March of 1776.

Could be wrong but I think im right... ?

Edit: ^^ I meant '56, don't know why I put '70s.

90.211.158.227 14:43, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

No. Connor was born in 1755. He joined the Assassins in 1770. He couldn't be born that late. ~ GI Auditore ^{Comms Channel} 14:49, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

Connor was born in 1756. Haytham's last memories are from July 1755 and it takes around nine months of pregnancy for him to have been born. Kanen'tó:kon's database article lists a birth date of 1756 and mentions that Connor was the same age. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 12:53, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

Was Connor really only 4 when his mother died? (Born 1756 - Ziio dies 1760??) --Captain Connor

No topic

Isn't the article summary a bit short in comparison to others, say Ezio or Altair?

When will the edit lock be removed?

112.134.220.166 16:18, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

There is a huge mistake in this article, his name is noz Ratonhnhaké:ton, but Ratohnhaké:ton, without the first n.

178.40.35.66 10:10, November 8, 2012 (UTC)Pato8

The game has been out for a little over a week, we obviously can't have a well written and in-depth biography straight away. And no, his name is Ratonhnhaké:ton, not Ratohnhaké:ton. Play the game. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 12:50, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

Thank's for the reply.

I haven't played the game yet, because I am waiting for the PC version to be released.

Although, according to IGN (Link), his name is Ratohnhaké:ton. I thought this was right. Thank you, though, for correcting me.

178.40.61.61 19:03, November 8, 2012 (UTC)Pato8

Mentor?

Achilies had asked Connor to continue the fight against the Templars. And he was Achilies' student. Does that mean he was made Mentor of the American Assassins? The Great Dog Demon 19:27, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

No. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 20:24, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

I just wanted to inform whomever published the wikia page on Ratonhnhaké:ton (Connor Kenway). It says in the trivia section that Connor is closely likened to a wolf rather than an eagle like his previous ancestors. The basis of this information was that "Connor" means "lover of wolves." Although the meaning behind the name is correct, it is not an accurate fact on behalf of Connor. Achilles Davenport named Connor in memory of his deceased son, Connor Davenport who died at the young age of seven (1748-1755). This is evidenced by the grave markers located outside of the present day Davenport Manor where Desmond later finds the amulet. 173.75.184.123 11:20, November 12, 2012 (UTC)anonymous

Quote

Is there no better quote we could use?

The one we have now is just part of the quote for Assassin's Creed III... Crimson Knight _Intercom 20:11, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

Personally, I quite like the 'notion' quote. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 11:42, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

Eagle Sense?

Okay so I'm in Sequence 11 on ACIII right now and unless I have the definition Eagle Sense incorrect, I'm pretty sure he doesn't have it. ___EnterRandomNamƎ___ ^{YOUR AD HERE} 13:17, November 22, 2012 (UTC)

What do you mean? I think he does. Deniedoperative (talk) 05:44, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure he has Eagle Vision NOT Eagle Sense is what I meant.? ___EnterRandomNamƎ___ ^{YOUR AD HERE} 06:19, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

Actually you're right. He can't pick up trails but he can pick out significant civilians, targets, guards and hide spots. Deniedoperative (talk) 06:23, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, if you play the memory in Edinburgh Castle, Connor can rebuild scenes from when the thief was shot. I don't know if this is his own theorizing or a form of Eagle Sense, which would be much more advanced than Ezio's was. RomanEagle (talk) 21:02, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

I remember Connor being able to rebuild scenes by looking at clues, often in a purple haze. Deniedoperative (talk) 06:00, November 27, 2012 (UTC)

Do you think that was his sense...? Alright, look at this, Connor can track people and animals by clues they leave behind, he doesn't follow their cold trails or see their paths. He can determine who is friend and foe, as well as what he can use to hide. The purple haze was only a recreation of events in one situation, and probably had nothing to do with his sense since the color-memory system of Eagle Vision/Sense has nothing to do with random purple. It is more likely that Connor was simply recreating the possible event in his mind, much like a detective would, and the game ust showed us so that we would have an idea of what happened and it would make sense. Easiest way to explain it, Connor has Eagle Vision, not Eagle Sense. Thank you, hold your applause, I am here all week. EmeraldCorruption (talk) 13:37, November 27, 2012 (UTC)

Fair enough but those scenes always seem to be right. Deniedoperative (talk) 06:53, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

"Romance" Section

There was previously a section detailing Connor's vague love life. While I agree that it's a light and redutant section, I think a pro of the romance section is that it can give indication of Connor's later life leading to his descendants. However this is all conjecture and speculative. Liendax (talk) 13:28, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

Your last statement is the reason it is gone. EmeraldCorruption (talk) 13:38, November 27, 2012 (UTC)

Connor "Kenway" exsist

I know there's been "Name Wars", but Connor "Kenway" exsist. The only sorce for that is The Art of Assassin's Creed 3(i have it) chapter: characters page 26. It's the only sorce from Ubisoft i know of at the moment.--ACsenior (talk) 18:34, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

Sign your posts. And you're basing your claim on a collection of pre-production concept art. That's just laughable, when we can pull up the AC Encyclopedia entry for Connor, also released by Ubi, and nobody named "Connor Kenway" exists there. --Kainzorus Prime ^{Walkie-talkie} 18:27, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

The Encyclopedia and the back cover of ACR also said that Ezio is Altaïr's ancestor, and we also know that is not true. Connor never takes up the name "Kenway" in his life, neither in the game or the novel. His taken name is just Connor, not Connor Kenway. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 18:45, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

BOOM! Sima just busted yo namewarring A%$. Hehe.Trever09 ^{A place for Chivalry | Blog} 21:25, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

... And that was the entire point of you coming here and posting that?

You are SO getting rolled up in a carpet and thrown off a bridge. Into space. --Kainzorus Prime ^{Walkie-talkie} 21:38, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

Alright guys lets cool off before this becomes a flame war. Connor is an adopted name and does not have any family honorifics or titles. Deniedoperative (talk) 06:51, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

Birthplace

Does the Encyclopedia mention where he was born? I'm pretty sure he was born in Kanatahséton but we can't assume. --Alientraveller (talk) 18:12, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

Wasn't he born in Valley Forge? That's near where his village is located, I think.  Supreme Master Assassin^{O Mentoras} 19:56, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

Is just me?

I'm just playing through the game now, but, did I miss where Ratonhnhaké:ton finds out who his father is? 98.119.234.52 11:21, December 7, 2012 (UTC)

Nope, there isn't a scene or anything in which Ratonhnhaké:ton learns of his father e.g. by someone telling him or reading it somewhere. All you need to know that during his training it's established that Ratonhnhaké:ton knows who his father. How? We don't know, in fact there is a forum around here speculating on the matter. P.S. you might want to avoid looking around on this wiki to avoid spoilers since you've only just started. Enjoy! Liendax (talk) 13:51, December 7, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the info. The game seems to be a bit buggy, and I've almost missed some scenes (and probably have missed certain things) because, for instance, when I started off to go to Homestead the first time, I went to set a marker, and it said to fast travel there, so when I did, I turned around and walked up the path and found a scene with some men in a horse chase that I would have missed if I hadn't gone back. There's also been bugs in the hide and seek part, and elsewhere too =/ 98.119.234.52 23:41, December 7, 2012 (UTC)

You're both missing the point here.  It can be assumed and established, that Kaniehti:io, Connor's mother, told him who his father really was and he can be seen reading through his father's journal. Supreme Master Assassin^{O Mentoras} 23:46, December 7, 2012 (UTC)

The First Native Assassin?

Forgive me if I'm wrong but wasn't one of the multiplayer character's father a Native Assassin? How can Connor be the first native assassin if (I think it's the Kryn's father) is listed as a now dead assassin? Is there an inconsistency somewhere?Cellwood55 (talk) 02:43, December 14, 2012 (UTC)

New Picture

Hey, I came across this new picture of Connor and I wanted to use it as the article's main image. I know that we already have an image for Connor, but I personally like this one better. But I would feel more comfortable to have a confirmation before I edit anything. I'd like to know whether you like this new image or the original.--Oogaman (talk) 02:41, December 19, 2012 (UTC)
File:ACAnniversary-Connor Render.png

In case you weren't paying attention, the image you found, has been found by Gabriel Auditore already, and had you checked the RA feeds, you would have seen that this image was reverted.  Either way, I don't like that one, the other render looks better.  Better highlights.  Supreme Master Assassin^{O Mentoras} 02:49, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

Not found, rendered. There's a difference. They got reverted because they were foggy near the legs. If you look closely, you'll notice that has been fixed now. ~ GI Auditore ^{Comms Channel} 15:43, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

I prefer the one on the left; could we set up a vote? Crimson Knight _Intercom 16:28, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

Article needs Images

I feel that the rest of the article needs more images, the lower half is just covered in text. RiftMan (talk) 21:03, December 21, 2012 (UTC)

More images will be uploaded in the coming days. Images from early in the game are obviously uploaded before the images of later in the game. Have some patience while we work on it :) Nesty ^{Contact me!} 21:06, December 21, 2012 (UTC)

Oh it's good to hear you're working on it, I just felt they were going to leave the page as it was. RiftMan (talk) 21:13, December 21, 2012 (UTC)

Nah, we're far too much in love with the WIki to just abandon it's content. ;D Crimson Knight _Intercom 21:16, December 21, 2012 (UTC)