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Isu Trio

I was sure that the Mother, the Father, and the Sacred Voice were Juno, Jupiter, and Minerva...?? V i l k a T h e W o l f (talk) 13:50, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

My take on it; is that the Mother, the Father, and the Sacred Voice were titles earn by the Triad of Isu occupying the executive function in the Isu government... akin to President, Vice-President and Chief of Staff. If I'm correct, there probably was more than one father, mother or voice across the generations of Isu.Maxattac (talk) 14:06, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Indeed, "The Father", "The Mother", and "The Voice" are ranks within the Isu society, some kind of global presidents or governors of a certain region. What I would investigate is to confirm if Samael is another Isu or if is one of Minerva's many names. As far as I know, Jupiter, Minerva and Juno were the big bosses of the Isu when Humans were created. Althought, the creation of Humanity took at least 135 years (75,145 - 75,010). So it's possible that this governing body changed its members, leaving J, J, & M as the big bosses (Father, Mother, Voice) put in there to search for a solution that would save the planet from the solar flare. I'd recommend to keep them separated until more hints are shown. Sorry for my English, my language patch update has not been installed correctly. :pCristophorus35 (talk) 18:21, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

The triad of Yaldabaoth, Saklas and Samael was in power in 2161 IE, so 35 years before the birth of Juno. (Isu Era) So they are definitely not the same triad.Maxattac (talk) 18:41, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Oh, nice! Thank you very much!Cristophorus35 (talk) 19:51, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Is samael and phanes the same person? Phanes is stated to be the creator of the humans but here it says that samael desgined them. so which is it? is it just a controdiction or are they the same person BearticWiki (talk) 18:50, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Samael is stated to have "gathered the required talent" to make the humans, it's neither a contradiction nor are they the same being. - Soranin (talk) 19:15, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Yet, as Phanes was not the original name of Eve's father, either Samael, Yaldabaoth or another Isu scientist part of Project Anthropos could be him. Basically, this is a problem we have with every Isu... We don't know if, through the various mythologies, some gods are not in fact the different versions of the same Isu. Only time will tell...Maxattac (talk) 19:25, 22 April 2021 (UTC)