Talk:Eivor Varinsdottir

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Canon protagonist

Ok, so we have same problem as 2 years before with two playable characters. But this time protagonist have same name "Eivor" regardless of gender, so it is bit harder then playable one and Deimos in Odyssey, and it looks like other one will not exist in universe. Hope they will adress, which gender is canon. --Kulurak (talk) 16:03, April 30, 2020 (UTC)

It probably will be confirmed with a novel tie-in like Odyssey. XOdeyssusx (talk) 16:04, April 30, 2020 (UTC)

The other one might be... a random person in the background, as seen with the promoart. That's the female Eivor attacking that Englishman. Sadelyrate (siniath) 16:13, April 30, 2020 (UTC)

They are exactly the same character, so no she will not appear in the background if you chose the male. From what I understood, there will be story consequences if you chose a male or a female but it will not be like in Odyssey with the other living his life in the background. You can see her on this screenshot.

Maxattac (talk) 16:17, April 30, 2020 (UTC)

Or here [1]Maxattac (talk) 16:21, April 30, 2020 (UTC)

The funny thing is, archaeologists have had a tough time determining the gender of some Viking remains. In the meantime, they/them will just be fine. --Alientraveller (talk) 16:51, April 30, 2020 (UTC)

Darby is saying both genders are canon, this will be interesting. https://twitter.com/DarbyMcDevitt/status/1255988473389109251 --Kulurak (talk) 07:46, May 1, 2020 (UTC)

Male/female versions of the name

In Scandinavian, Eivor is the female variant of the name, and Eivar is the male version. -vor and -var are feminine and masculine suffixes, respectively. Same difference as Alexander/Alexandra, Charles/Charlotte, etc. – USMC-DN38416 (talk) 01:28, July 17, 2020 (UTC)

Okay but they don't change the spelling for the character's gender here; both male and female are called Eivor specifically with an O each time. Also can you fix your refs. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 02:39, July 17, 2020 (UTC)

Why have you deleted it again? – USMC-DN38416 (talk) 14:31, July 17, 2020 (UTC)

I didn't delete them, I removed unnecessary new lines in your messages and cleaned it up so both names link to their respective pages on the name site. All current developer interviews and official material uses the name's female spelling, a fact which is already sourced on Eivor's page under Etymology. I undid that edit because you did not source correctly, and in the process of adding your information, wiped the gallery and references. – Darman (talk) 16:35, July 17, 2020 (UTC)

Are they fully voiced?

Since they're gender-selectable and customizable, unlike Odyssey where the genders were non-customizable and completely different characters, will Eivor be fully voiced or silent with dialogue options?Tokoyami no Nietzsche (talk) 20:14, August 2, 2020 (UTC)

I know there will be a tie-in novel where they eventually turn Eivor into a full character, but in the game?Tokoyami no Nietzsche (talk) 20:15, August 2, 2020 (UTC)

They are fully voiced but still with dialogue options. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 01:10, August 3, 2020 (UTC)

Surname

Would Eivor's surname be Varinsdottir or Varinsson? V i l k a T h e W o l f (talk) 12:10, October 20, 2020 (UTC)

Neither, the Norse didn't have surnames, they had patronyms and matronyms. It's not really necessary, but should the need for a name arise for some reason then I suppose we could take a note from modern Iceland and make it VarinsburChalkcs (talk) 01:26, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Do any sources actually use the patronym that this page is now under or is someone assuming a fictional person must be following convention? Vetinari^{(Appointment)} 13:28, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes, a letter in King Aelfred's study identifies her as such, which can be found much later in the game. XOdeyssusx (talk) 13:35, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Female Canon?

Did I miss something? Why do we kept only the female part? As Darby said the two gender are canon~, can we kept the two sides.Francesco75 (talk) 17:08, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Without being too spoilery, yes Darby was kind of right, the two gender options are indeed canon but there is a catch you will discover once you play the game...Maxattac (talk) 17:21, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

In clear, they wanted to have a female protagonist but don't have the courage to follow their idea. I understand, they did the same thing with Odyssey.Francesco75 (talk) 17:26, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Maybe, but in the game they find a way to explain the two genders through lore. I had a theory that Eivor was a twin having absorbed their counterpart in the womb, a chimera with two DNA. But it's something else... Maxattac (talk) 17:31, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

I’m gonna go ahead a switch it back to gender neutral. I personally think they should have just done female but canon is canon unless someone else has a reason. FFMaverick01 (talk) 14:10, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

There is a reason ingame. - Soranin (talk) 14:34, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Yeah I got that....how about you explain why it makes female canon so we can wrap this up...FFMaverick01 (talk) 14:37, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

~It's kind of a big spoiler but if you want to know, the "male" Eivor is just the animus interpreting the Isu dna Eivor has. Odin's dna, specifically. You can even see the process where they infused Odin's dna if you watch the new truth video. - Soranin (talk) 14:40, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

cool I’ll change it back. Thanks for explaining.FFMaverick01 (talk) 14:43, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Place of birth?

It seems like Heillbor is her place of birth only relocating to Fornburg after the death of her parents. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 05:57, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

I second thisChalkcs (talk) 01:26, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Reason for leaving Norway

The wiki claims that the clan fled Norway to avoid "endless wars" - however, this is not the reason given in-game. In-game, most leave to avoid becoming subjects of Harald Fairhair, while Sigurd leaves because he feels that his father robbed him of his inheritance and title.Chalkcs (talk) 01:26, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes it has not been updated yet. You may free to help out if you wish :) XOdeyssusx (talk) 02:14, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Reworking

Hello, I know that User:TiagoFF is reworking the article, I'm only here to give advices. I don't want to criticise the work of other, but I find some paragraphs too wordy, like the description of Kjotve's death. It is not bad to have style in the writing, but maybe a shorter and factual retelling of the event would be more efficient and will make the article more appealing.

For the section, I think we could make an Early Life section with all the events between her birth to the creation of Ravensthorpe. The Summary will be like this:
-I Early Life (Childhood/Adoption/Raid/Heimdall Treasure/Retaliation/Hunt for Kjotve/Leaving Norway/Settlement in England)
-II Forging Alliance in England (A subsection by region, one for the event in Norway, one for the hunt of the Ancients not link with the main storyline and the epilogue with Alfred).
-III Journey in Ireland
-IV Siege of Paris
-V Vision of another life (quick retelling of her visions in Asgard, Jotunheim and Svardalfeim)

If you have other ideas or suggestions, share them.Francesco75 (talk) 12:33, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

I like the idea of the first ones but i still think her article should be in timeline order. everything is layed out rn but yeah i agree that alot needs reworking and rewriting (considering i wrote some yeesh). also has tiago even updated the page? seems like they started reworks on a bunch of pages and then did nothing but i wont assume. Id glady start laying it out more and maybe expanding but im unsure if i should considering tiago has put a dips on it -BearticWiki (talk) 13:19, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

I agree with BearticWiki, the article should be in timeline order. Though, I'd agree some of the sections need to be refrased. And btw I haven't updated this page as much as I would've liked, as I'm working on a timeline for the Isu Era (including Odin's and Aletheia's articles). I'll remove the warning now, feel free to reorganize it. When I have more time, I'll return here to organize the undated events of the Post-launch. - TiagoFF (talk) 16:51, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Other names

Should we include Unlocker and Nrchdrm bolded in the also called section of the lede? Lacrossedeamon (talk) 03:21, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Considering we don't have "cipher" in Desmond's lede, I'm going to say no. - Soranin (talk) 11:02, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

But we do have "Keeper" in Kassandra's. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 05:26, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Canon decisions

We gotta pick a canon otherwise we lose too much of the biography. This article just got gutted the other day. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 05:56, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

I made the modification, and I didn't not gut it, I corrected it because there were many grammatical errors, missing capitals. I also shortered it because some sentences were just reformulation of dialogues. It is more concise and we have the major informations. But you are right for the cannon path, some arcs will be difficult to write if we leave it ambiguous (Lincolnshire, Gloucester, Essex, Snottigham). Maybe Hytham journal will help us.Francesco75 (talk) 07:07, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

We do have it confirmed that charisma decisions are the canon options when they pop up. so they might help in those situations. -RealBearZ (talk) 11:50, 9 October 2022 (UTC)