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Scarification

Adewale's facial scars are a curious issue, imo... and knowing what I do of scarification, I can't agree with either the idea that the scars are self-inflicted or brought about by a life in slavery. 

Scarification was a common practice among various tribes; a permanent ID badge. As such, if dictated by tradition, by common practice, can scarring be considered self-inflicted? As Adewale's scarring is also darker coloured, it doesn't seem like an accidental memory of injury; sometimes ashes were introduced into the scarification wound to darken the scar.

Comparing what little we've seen of Adewale's scars with other scars, even from Black Flag, I think they're too... consistent, perhaps, to be from a fight. However, I do agree that maybe it's best to keep the detail out of the article until we learn more. But discussing them might not, hopefully, be amiss? Sadelyrate (siniath) 20:18, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Considering that Adewale is roughly around the same age that Edward is (at least from what I can tell), I doubt he would have had scarification done because that would have meant he'd received it at quite a young age. Scarring one's body on purpose seems more of an adult thing to do, if not a coming of age thing.

I do believe that tribal scarification would be more to do with body modification, since you can only label it as self-inflicted if you were the one to do it to yourself. Slate Vesper (talk) 20:23, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

What would to us be "quite a young age" is when people received their first scars. Adewale certainly seems to be well out of his puberty; that's one reason for a given community to mark a person. Ritual scarification was not something a person did to themselves, but something another did to them, as said person passed milestones of the community. Sadelyrate (siniath) 22:28, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

That may be true, but considering he's a former slave, it may be that he was taken from his parents and community at a young age, where he would then presumably be put to work by his master. Considering this, he may never have had any ritual scars, and they're just the result of punishment for attempted escape or failing a task. We won't really know until Black Flag is released. :S Slate Vesper (talk) 18:55, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Touché. It might be, though, that we'll learn more only after the DLC's release; whatever the case, I know I'll be looking forward to Adewale's story... amongst other things. :) Sadelyrate (siniath) 22:36, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Trinidad, really?

Last I checked, gameplay demos aren't canon. Whilst it may end up that Adewale hails from Trinidad in the final game, we can't actually say as much until it releases. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 08:14, August 29, 2013 (UTC)

Name

I have proof to my rename: Adéwalé. This video. At time code, 4:59. Altaïr Skywalker 47 (talk) 14:37, October 1, 2013 (UTC)

DLC Release Date?

I know that there is going to be a DLC for Adewale called Freedom Cry, but when is the release date for the DLC?TwixBreak (talk) 20:32, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Release date hasn't been announced yet :) Crook ^{The Constantine District} 20:35, November 5, 2013 (UTC)\

Thank you! TwixBreak (talk) 23:02, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Picture

Could we change Adé's picture to this?

File:Adewale FreedomCry.png

Awesomekid120 (talk) 16:52, November 22, 2013 (UTC)Awesomekid120

No. --Kainzorus Prime ^{Walkie-talkie} 16:54, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

While it's a much more detailed and high quality picture, the fact that the legs are cut-off is a no-go. If by any chance, you know where to find a complete version, I think you'll have more success :) For now though, we'll be using the one we have (Kain, a longer reply would have been polite :/) Crook ^{The Constantine District} 16:59, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

It wasn't impolite, it was simple and to the point. Also, that image falls more under a concept art, rather than a rendered model. --Kainzorus Prime ^{Walkie-talkie} 17:01, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

Simple, to the point and frustrating, because it's just a slap in the face of the commenter. At least have the courtesy of explaining why the image isn't suitable. Also, the image seems more like a render to me, but whatever, I'm sure Ubisoft will make a render of Assassin Adé for the dlc. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 17:06, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

You're overreacting. --Kainzorus Prime ^{Walkie-talkie} 17:07, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

This page has a pretty good render of Adéwalé, and several other characters: http://www.polycount.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1999213 Bovkaffe (talk) 11:44, July 1, 2014 (UTC)

I think our current image is alright, albeit rendered a bit sloppily. We could still use the render you found of Adéwalé in the gallery, but I don't really see the need to switch. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 12:00, July 1, 2014 (UTC)

Adewale able to use Eagle Vision/Sense?

Not sure if he is descendant of First Civilization.

Or, the eagle vision usage is just for building a easy gameplay for players get used to. Sleeplust (talk) 14:22, December 17, 2013 (UTC)

Or perhaps it's both? Slate Vesper (talk) 14:27, December 17, 2013 (UTC)

Every person has the capability to use it, it's a matter of training and attunement of the senses to utilize it. Basically, Ubi waved it away with a story reason as to why people not descended from Desmond's line can use it during gameplay.--Kainzorus Prime ^{Walkie-talkie} 14:39, December 17, 2013 (UTC)

Updating from Freedom Cry

I have played through and done everything I will be in the process of updating his article. --Revan's Exile (talk) 08:14, December 19, 2013 (UTC)

If so, please do try to keep your edits to a minimum; best not to clog up the RA feed. Stormbeast ♉ ^{The Helpful Place} 08:17, December 19, 2013 (UTC)

And take the MoS and sourcing policy into consideration. Nesty ^{Contact me!} 09:54, December 19, 2013 (UTC)

I know that it starts in 1735 and the final mission takes place in 1737, but I have no idea what years the rest of the missions took place in. Until I read that De Fayet died in 1737 I thought it was still 1735. --Revan's Exile (talk) 10:35, December 19, 2013 (UTC)

I'm in the process of tweaking your text, somewhat. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 10:38, December 19, 2013 (UTC)

Done. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 11:26, December 19, 2013 (UTC)

In official descriptions in game it specifically uses Gouverneur not Governor. Doesn't really matter to me. --Revan's Exile (talk) 12:08, December 19, 2013 (UTC)

"Gouverneur" is "Governor" in French. This Wiki uses English, not French. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 12:12, December 19, 2013 (UTC)

Assassins

The page states that Edward first visited the assassins in 1717, but it was definitely in 1716--188.180.174.234 21:43, January 4, 2014 (UTC)

Just checked, and you're right: This Old Cove happens in March 1716, and he goes to Tulum a couple weeks later. Nice catch. -Molotov.cockroach (talk) 22:42, January 4, 2014 (UTC)

Category

I'm just a wiki contributor, so could someone please add Adéwalé to the "Quartermasters" category?

Please sign your posts by typing --~~~~ there is also a handy little button above that you can click on that has a hand written signature image on it. Also the Quartermasters category is already added before you posted asking us to do it. --Revan's Exile (talk) 23:44, February 9, 2014 (UTC)

Actually, it wasn't which was why the anon asked for it to be added. And it has. Slate Vesper (talk) 23:47, February 9, 2014 (UTC)

Picture.

Why hasn't the main picture been updated to this one? It is a more recent photo of Adéwalé. Roger Murtaugh (talk) 23:45, March 31, 2014 (UTC)

Because it's a sub-standard render hackjob I had to procure, until I have the means to properly render Ade's actual model from Freedom Cry. --Kainzorus Prime ^{Walkie-talkie} 00:26, April 1, 2014 (UTC)

I'd prefer to use his current render because we see more of him as a quartermaster, not to mention that Freedom Cry is originally DLC content. Slate Vesper (talk) 20:43, April 1, 2014 (UTC)

Freedom Cry Trailer

Has anyone seen the trailer for Freedom Cry? And if so, what bearing would it have on the article? The in-game database says he escaped during the plantation raid, while the trailer suggests that he killed an overseer and fled at a young age, later escaping Trinidad. 

I know that trailers are often not considered canon, per se, but I was just curious. MasterKenway (talk) 14:26, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

Brand

So, Ade's got the "FM" brand on his chest, anyone got some information on that one? I've searched for explanation without success. --Kainzorus Prime ^{Walkie-talkie} 21:23, June 23, 2014 (UTC)

I found some people discussing this, and the consensus seems to be that those are the initials of his old slave master, since it was the practice at the time to brand slaves so their masters were identifiable. -Molotov.cockroach (talk) 18:40, July 1, 2014 (UTC)

Commas

The simple, and only relevant, fact of the matter is that it is grammatically correct to use a comma in those situations, and the idea they we should not include them because it's "established" or "standard" is ridiculous. If we stuck with what was "established", we would never have developed a Sourcing policy, nor a Manual of Style, or many other practices that we now use.

I'm not going to open a vote on such a petty matter, either. I would also like to point out, before this argument is inevitably brought up, that just because every other article doesn't use commas doesn't make it any less incorrect. If every single edit that goes against the standard is reverted, of course no other article will be improved. So unless anybody can present a sufficient argument as to why we're not using commas where they should be used, I see no reason why the edit has to be reverted. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 14:09, July 14, 2014 (UTC)

To me, it does not matter whether or not we use commas, but what Jasca says here is truth. Pay some attention to it, please. The only things that are 'established' are in the rules and policies. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 14:14, July 14, 2014 (UTC)

There was this one vote ages ago to remove punctuation from the image captions altogether. I believe the reasoning was along the lines of "these are not actual, proper sentences." or somesuch. --Kainzorus Prime ^{Walkie-talkie} 14:16, July 14, 2014 (UTC)

Unfortunately, someone keeps deleting the old pages that contain the votes, so I cannot find the page itself, but if I remember correctly (since I'm pretty sure I was the one who put that vote forward), it only covered full stops, since you only have a full stop at the end of a sentence. That doesn't mean we should be negating every single piece of punctuation in an image caption.

EDIT: More accurately, the vote was about the removal of full stops when the captions did not make a full sentence, but agreed that they should be kept when a full stop is grammatically suitable. (A minor detail some contributors repeatedly seem to forget.) --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 16:17, July 14, 2014 (UTC)

Pages got deleted with the cleanup drive. You can contact Nes and see if she can restore it. Have a link to that thread too - http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Consensus:_Full_stops_(period)?t=20121023123804 --Kainzorus Prime ^{Walkie-talkie} 16:23, July 14, 2014 (UTC)

Indeed; I've literally just left a message on her talk page. On topic however, the linked post says "his will effectively mean that we will be removing the full stops from quote attributions, image captions, non-sentences in lists"... There is no mention of any punctuation besides full stops. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 16:36, July 14, 2014 (UTC)

I had already restored it. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 16:42, July 14, 2014 (UTC)

You better apply it to -every- article where it's applicable. Otherwise your obsession with trying to fix something that doesn't need fixing, will result in half the articles being incosistent with the other half. Now's your time to shine. Go. --Kainzorus Prime ^{Walkie-talkie} 16:44, July 14, 2014 (UTC)

Seconded. I'm personally against using commas like this, since I don't think it's really necessary and it just breaks the flow of reading for me, but I'll hold back if you can do it on more than just a few articles. My days of running around and making sure that these changes happen are over. --Crimson Knight _Intercom 16:48, July 14, 2014 (UTC)

I have to agree with Crimson on this issue. To me, the change you're proposing feels unnecessary, Jasca. Compared to for example the Sourcing Policy or the Manual of Style, the adding of a comma for the sake of grammar seems trite and just not worth it. If the change felt more useful, or more necessary, I probably wouldn't mind going through nearly 5000 articles, but for this... not really :/

Adding (or removing) the comma doesn't change anything regarding the readability or comprehensability of the caption, and to such an extent that, if the situation was inversed (in which you'd be arguing the removal of commas, for whatever reason), I'd honestly just stick with what we're using. I know it sounds lazy, but it's simply not worth the bother. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 17:25, July 14, 2014 (UTC)

I will add commas to articles as and when I have the time to do it. You (Kain, this is) saying "I better apply to [commas] to every article where it's applicable" is quite childish and gives quite the impression of laziness on your part. I am not the only contributor on this site. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 18:44, July 14, 2014 (UTC)

You are the only one constantly pushing for it, so this is your pet project. Do it right, or not at all. --Kainzorus Prime ^{Walkie-talkie} 18:47, July 14, 2014 (UTC)

Before you "go ahead" with this new spree of your's, I'd like to know what grammar rule you're citing. I've googled "image caption commas" and as far as I've found, there should be little-to-no punctuation in image captions. The verb should be in past tense or end with -ing (as I've mentioned to you before), they should not have a full stop (as we've already done), and they should not be a full sentence or complete thought, warranting no need for a comma to separate the person from the action. And yes, it breaks the flow for me too, and looks completely stupid. Stormbeast ♉ ^{The Helpful Place} 21:08, July 14, 2014 (UTC)

@Kain - As I've already said, I shall do this at a pace that suits me. You can either help, or not. Either way, stop acting like a child who's feeling sore about his favourite toy being broken.

@Storm - The grammatical rules regarding punctuation in captions is complicated; normally one wouldn't include the name of the subject (Adéwalé) in the caption when the entire article is about said subject, but since his name is mentioned a comma is required. (Especially when multiple names are mentioned in the caption.) --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 23:44, July 14, 2014 (UTC)

What I believe you seem to be forgetting Jasca is that the caption text refers to the subject of the image, not the individuals depicted in it. They are people playing a part in a scene. All that you are accomplishing by putting a comma after "Adewale" is simply an unnecessary pause for the sake of it. The break in reading flow comes because the emphasis is stressed on Adewale as an individual, not the scene depicted, of which he is a participant. By extension, this implies that the focus of adding the pictures to his page is simply due to him being in them, not because the situations presented and his inclusion within those moments are interesting enough to warrant depiction.

To take the first screenshot as an example: "Adewale introducing himself to Edward" with the scene showing the two shaking hands. By adding in the comma, it makes Adewale the dominant party through the stressed emphasis, despite the picture showing the two on equal terms. Without the comma, it depicts an example of good will fostering itself between the two, not one participant becoming the sole focus.

Personally, the inclusion of a comma makes the reading flow of the gallery more convoluted, yet serves no actual purpose than to suit your renewed ornery approach to things. Slate Vesper (talk) 00:33, July 15, 2014 (UTC)

Death

How do we know he died in 1758?Bovkaffe (talk) 17:01, July 29, 2014 (UTC)

I sourced the information. Here. Click on 'see more'. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 17:02, July 29, 2014 (UTC)

Nice. Now we can make an article for his father. Bovkaffe (talk) 17:05, July 29, 2014 (UTC)

I believe Sima is already in the progress of doing so. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 17:06, July 29, 2014 (UTC)

And I figure this also fuels Comet rumours... -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 17:45, July 29, 2014 (UTC)

Infobox Picture

Shouldn't we use one of these two pictures of Adéwalé for the infobox instead of the current one ?

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  Adéwalé as he appears in Freedom Cry
• Adéwalé as he appears in Assassin's Creed: Rogue
  Adéwalé as he appears in Assassin's Creed: Rogue

- Firstly, if you watch the infoboxes of other assassins the rule seem to be that when a picture of them whith the hood and of reasonnable good quality is available they have priority.

- Secondly, for Slate Vesper, the fact that Adéwalé was the quartermaster of Kenway seems even more secondary to his role as an Assassin with the soon-to-be launch of Assassin's Creed: Rogue.

- And finally, from my personnal taste, I find Adéwalé way more badass in his assassin outfit than in his pirate outfit with the "turban".

Maxattac (talk) 23:53, October 13, 2014 (UTC)

The Freedom Cry one is subpar to the current one, and the Rogue one has yet to be rendered. This "vote" is a bit pre-mature. Patience. Stormbeast ♉ ^{The Helpful Place} 23:59, October 13, 2014 (UTC)

I imagine we'll switch to the Rogue one soon anyway. --Crimson Knight _Intercom 00:18, October 14, 2014 (UTC)

No, we won't. Just like Ezio's page, we'll use one in Ade in his prime for the box. Which is the FC render that will eventually be updated. For now, AC4 one stays up there, and Rogue one will be in the gallery. --Kainzorus Prime ⚜ ^{Walkie-talkie} 00:53, October 14, 2014 (UTC)

It doesn't have to be the Freedom Cry one. Ezio's was voted, not a standard for all others to be based off of. Let's see how they stack up after being rendered. Stormbeast ♉ ^{The Helpful Place} 00:59, October 14, 2014 (UTC)

Skills and Equipment

Adewales skills during his time as a pirate and Assassin needs to be adressed at some point aswell as his weapons.{{SUBST:User:InoNOTHING/sig}}. 00:45, October 21, 2014 (UTC)

I agree. if someone can add something that would nice. Barruca (talk) 17:21, October 21, 2014 (UTC)

What's stopping you from doing it yourself? --Kainzorus Prime ⚜ ^{Walkie-talkie} 17:25, October 21, 2014 (UTC)

Place of birth

This is an ongoing discussion.

So is it Trinidad or Yoruba? AC4 and Rogue databases give conflicting answers. VilkaIsBack (talk) 09:20, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Trinidad. AC4 is confusing with how its worded but has "Birth: 1692, Trinidad". Later it mentions "in Yoruba" but what this is referring to is ambiguous as it could (assuming some awkward writing) be where the parents were enslaved rather than where he was born. Rogue fixes the confusion by only mentioning Trinidad. But check the novelization, encyclopedia, essential guide, and if possible the official collection to see if that all say Trinidad as well. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 09:35, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Should a note ref be added after "Trinidad" in his infobox to reflect this? I do know that it is officially Trinidad to reflect his voice actor's heritage, but they way the AC4 DB is worded does make it seem like he was born in Yoruba (while also saying "1692, Trinidad"). VilkaIsBack (talk) 12:21, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

I doubt a note is needed for such a minor discrepancy. I know I added the Trinidad/Yoruba bit, though I realize a simpler explanation is that Abstergo's fudging the database, as they're wont to not actually do their research on people/events. – Darman (talk) 13:40, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Novelization doesn't mention either place. Don't have access to the encyclopedia or the essential guide rn, though Adé's card from Memories also says Trinidad. - Soranin (talk) 14:19, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Yoruba his the place where his parents were enslaved. In The Forts, he said to Edward he never knew Africa and was born in Trinidad. But we could ad it was in Spanish Trinidad.Francesco75 (talk) 14:47, 21 June 2024 (UTC)