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Variables

So what are all the variables?

• 1. Romance: pick Kyra, pick Thaletas, or pick neither ->
  • 1.1 One dead, one alive
    • 1.1.1 Kyra romanced and alive, Thaletas dead, told her the truth
    • 1.1.2 Kyra romanced and alive, Thaletas dead, lied to her
    • 1.1.3.1 Kyra dead, Thaletas alive and romanced
    • 1.1.3.2 Kyra dead, Thaletas alive and not romanced
  • 1.2 Kyra and Thaletas both alive
  • 1.2.1 Neither romanced
  • 1.2.2 Thaletas romanced
  • 1.2.3 Both romanced? (not possible?)
  • 1.3 Kyra and Thaletas both dead
  • 1.3.1 Both romanced, Kyra commits suicide, then fight Thaletas
  • 1.3.2 Both romanced, Thaletas killed in duel first, then funeral

• 2. Iola
  • 2.1 not present due to not doing Grin and Bear It?
  • 2.2 alive
  • 2.3 dead

• 3. Kasos
  • 3.1 not present due to not completing The Sokratic Method, or dead at the end
  • 3.2 alive
    • + Thaletas alive + speech = poisoned Thaletas

• 4. Sokrates
  • 4.1 Met on Delos; unsure if flag checks simply meeting him (activating quest) or completing quest.
    • 4.1.1 Not met - "Sokrates? What are you doing here?"
    • 4.1.2 Met - "Looking to join our crew?"
  • 4.2 Poisoning of Thaletas
    • 4.2.0 Thaletas not poisoned, normal comment about "Are any of us truly alone?"
    • 4.2.1 Killing the poisoner (Kasos) at the second encounter - "Do not second guess yourself; he faced justice in the end."
    • 4.2.2 Letting Kasos go a second time - "Do not second guess yourself for letting him go. The first time or the second."

• 4."Do you remember what you told me when you first set foot on these islands?"

• It produces a single line of dialogue on Kassandra's part. Barnabas says the same thing in response.

*5. Podarkes

• • 5.1 Slain without finishing "M" for Murder -> no funereal pyre -> Kyra alive
  • 5.2 Slain "M" for Murder finished
    • Kyra told in private -> funereal pyre, chance to keep her alive
    • Kyra told in public -> funereal pyre, Kyra dead?

(Yeah, suffice to say, this memory's a handful and another to lay out.) Sadelyrate (siniath) 08:00, April 20, 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for answering the call. :thumbs up: I've added a few annotations to your post above to lay out permutations I could think of. It could very easily be the same dialogue dependent on only one variable.

This Reddit post has a lot of information. Much of it contradicts each other, but it should lay out enough information to infer the variables that need testing. It's not my only source, and it's all anecdotal until we have dialogue transcripts written out on the page, but it's as good a place as any to start. From what I've gathered:

1. Romance is cut off for the one you don't side with in the cave. At present I'm disputing this, as the Flirt options remain in subsequent quests even when calling Thaletas's plan a suicide mission. Having used them, the dialogue appears the same.
2. Both will live if you only romance Thaletas and choose "I want you for tonight." At the celebration, Kyra will already know about it, but she brushes it off. Thaletas, however, will demand a fight if you sleep with Kyra even once. He apparently has dialogue for both the player "taking Kyra and his glory" if he was not romanced and "Kyra taking [the player] away from [him]" if he was also romanced. (Maláka...)
3. Kyra's death appears tied to a lack of purpose. You must choose "Find a new purpose" or she will kill herself no matter what. Nothing to indicate that romancing Thaletas has anything to do with it.
4. If both are alive, Thaletas defaults to staying with Kyra, even after his big declaration of love and desire to return to Sparta with the player character. This has caused quite a few headaches for some of the commenters, so it looks like poor planning on Ubisoft's part, but if true, this rules out a good chunk of permutations to our benefit.
5. If Kasos lived, you can avoid Thaletas being poisoned by not giving a speech. I haven't checked to see if his NPC actor is still around, but I assume he is.
6. Not sure what effect Iola has, if any, other than an easily lifted-out conversation with her. I know Praxos only has one "ambient" comment about how you saved the islands. She probably doesn't even have a "closeup" conversation like so many other NPCs do.

So yes, in addition to lots of permutations, there's lots of conflicting information about what triggers what that I haven't yet managed to personally verify. I wasn't even aware you could skip 'The Sokratic Method', and if that affects Sokrates's presence and dialogue, or even the existence of 'Grin and Bear It'. Thus I haven't even begun to sift through it all, and I greatly appreciate any assistance you can offer. Reddit anecdotes are one thing; actual dialogue transcripts recorded on this page are another.

RShepard227 (talk) 21:52, April 20, 2019 (UTC)

Siding with one cuts off romance for the other is false.

I sided with Kyra, and then found myself sparring with Thaletas, with no other ill effects save that he was treated as dead, despite standing at the party by Kyra. (If you stop talk to him on your way to the party, game marks him as dead. If you don't...he's standing at the party.)

After you begin one romance-questline, the other gets locked, even if you ultimately decline to sleep with Kyra/Thaletas. Despite the possibility to suggest a threesome.

I'm sorry to say, but the whole Silver Islands-questline, though enjoyable and nice, seems...unfinished, to me. With all the variables to consider, I'm pretty lenient, though. Sadelyrate (siniath) 01:35, April 21, 2019 (UTC)

You're preaching to the choir. IIRC this was the quest used in the E3 demo, which was a good way to over-represent the layers of "player choice" that existed in each quest. Given how most of the quests have worked out, this was the exception, not the rule. Not that I'm complaining mind you, it's less work in the end given the wiki's format. But we'll maybe need to reconsider how dialogue sections work from the ground up if the trend continues.

(I also believe I've fixed my signature. Testing now: RShepard227 (talk) 04:21, April 21, 2019 (UTC) )

IIrc, I have a save before getting to Mykonos. When I'm so inclined, I'll try to test out these variants. That "I just want you for tonight"-reply to Thaletas enabling you to romance both of them is one of the biggest question marks I have, atm. Sadelyrate (siniath) 08:09, April 21, 2019 (UTC)

Me too. Could be that it was just poorly worded on the part of the poster. For my part, I'll side with Thaletas in the cave but pursue a full romance with Kyra while doing as much for both as the game will allow, see how far that goes, while I round up the dialogue I botched recording of in "M" for Murder. RShepard227 (talk) 04:40, April 22, 2019 (UTC)

Update

At the very least, I've determined that "M" for Murder, Hades, Meet Podarkes, and Call to Arms (Mykonos) are required to activate this quest. So we can eliminate that whole Podarkes variability, because there is none. I'll strike through it. Additionally:

• Hades, Meet Podarkes effectively closes out all of Kyra's quests, with the exception of Goddess of the Hunt, which remains available if Hearts of War hasn't been done yet. I got XP for "Kyra with a Cause" when Podarkes died.
• Likewise, Call to Arms closes Thaletas's quests. Hearts of War does NOT become available, and I did not get XP for "The Thaletas Way" or "Paint the Sand Red", which were active at the time. The only requirement to make Call to Arms available is for the islands to be weakened, which can be done randomly by the game itself without the player taking any action at all.
• "M" for Murder public reveal only blocks Kyra's romance if done before Goddess of the Hunt. It does not otherwise change her dialogue, and the decision is referenced at several points in A Night to Remember. If done after the romance, Thaletas mentions that she still chose [the player] even after that.

I've also confirmed that not taking Kyra's side in the cave still allows you to romance her. Haven't checked Thaletas all the way through, as I'm currently checking his solo goodbye, unromanced.

There's also a full chain of dialogue with Kasos after he poisons Thaletas. Fortunately, as long as you have a fast travel point on Delos, you can go there and do The Sokratic Method even in the middle of the celebration, same with Grin and Bear It. RShepard227 (talk) 02:22, April 24, 2019 (UTC)