Assassin's Creed Wiki talk:Manual of Style

This is the discussion page for Assassin's Creed Wiki:Manual of Style. Here, you may discuss improving the article. To discuss the subject itself, use the Forums.
Please sign and date your posts by typing four tildes (~~~~). Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.	Be polite Assume good faith Do not insult other people

IU v OOU

Following Huntbelmont's little breakdown over changes made to Renovation, it struck me that there is no explicit mention of the requirement for articles to be written from an in-universe perspective (unless dealing with an out-of-universe subject) within the Manual of Style. If somebody has the time, could this be added in, please? That way I can actually cite the MoS in future. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 10:46, October 12, 2015 (UTC)

Possessive needs updating

The policy being enforced currently in most cases is not reflected in what's written here in th MoS. This either needs to be updated or we need to change how we are enforcing possessive nouns endin in "S". Lacrossedeamon (talk) 02:43, November 13, 2018 (UTC)

First, if current practice is deviating from the Manual of Style, it would be that those practices are in error unless decided otherwise by consensus, not that the MoS is outdated. Second of all, negligence in enforcement is not the same thing as enforcing it differently, and finally, how is the way we're enforcing it in violation of the MoS currently? Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 02:46, November 13, 2018 (UTC)

I've been told all singular possessive nouns ending in S are to use just ' instead of 's no matter the case and even if contradicted in-game such Hades' Bident which in game is Hades's Bident.Lacrossedeamon (talk) 03:17, November 13, 2018 (UTC)

What if possessives in in-game item descriptions use 's, such as this one for the Poseidon ship figurehead; Poseidon, Zeus's brother and god of the sea is depicted with his trident, which was allegedly forged by the Cyclopes. The Cat Master (talk) 03:46, November 13, 2018 (UTC)

Lacrosse, who told you that? Did I tell you that? Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 15:21, November 13, 2018 (UTC)

I heard it from Sadelyrate on the Hades' Bident talk page who heard it from Jasca. Odyssey in all cases uses 's but I can see the problem arising as Origins doesn’t, namely the Anubis outfits. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 16:33, November 13, 2018 (UTC)

Appearances

As Sol pointed out, 'appear' suggests being seen. This opens a whole new barrel of monkeys, because there's a slew of articles with just (mentioned only) following their appearance; mention doesn't really count as 'being seen'. Statues, artworks, all that jazz, visible and clear and easy. Mentions? Not really.
(If this seems nitpicky, try playing a game the rules of which you don't know.) Sadelyrate (siniath) 19:31, May 16, 2019 (UTC)

Can you re-read my initial explanation to you on this entirely? I have already addressed why we use mentions in my very original explanation to you. Given your comment here and your replies there, it seems that you either did not read or have repeatedly misread the explanation given to you. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 21:07, May 16, 2019 (UTC)

I should also point out that your comment here confusingly contradicts your comment at the talk page of "Sun". Here, you at the very least acknowledge that I have said that the definition of an appearance is whether it comes into view of the audience. There, you don't acknowledge this and seem to maintain that if I say something has not appeared, I mean that it has not shown up in spite of the fact I am repeatedly reminding you that this is not the implied meaning at all. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 21:14, May 16, 2019 (UTC)

For my part, I've counted an "appearance" as those times where a given article subject not only physically manifests in a given medium, but plays a semblance of a role in the story itself. For example, the Adrestia "appears" in Legacy of the First Blade: Shadow Heritage because use of the ship is mandatory for completion of the story, but it doesn't "appear" in Bloodline because it has no role in the story, despite the fact that the player might use the ship to travel.

Vis-à-vis the Sun, I would personally only count an appearance as those instances where it plays a role in the story; Assassin's Creed III for example, and have {{mo}} against those mediums where the solar flare is mentioned. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 08:36, May 17, 2019 (UTC)

I'm with Jasca on this, in regards to the Sun, and that's why I originally edited its 'Appearances' with the comment about prominency. Sadelyrate (siniath) 13:35, May 17, 2019 (UTC)

That's simply not correct, however, unless we mean to deviate from the practice of other wikis which we drew this section from. If so, then we would need a full discussion of our community consenting to such a different usage. By default, it makes sense to do it the same way as it is normally done. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 15:16, May 17, 2019 (UTC)

And I fear that would invite confusion if readers who are familiar with multiple wikis come to ours and see the exact same section only for its usage to differ in meaning on a fundamental level. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 15:19, May 17, 2019 (UTC)

Miscellaneous weapons

So, y'all know me, I was looking through this page for redlinks. I noticed one for "Falchion (Unity)" but no such weapon exists in Unity. There are three weapons with Falchion on the name in Unity: the Dented Falchion, the Straight Falchion and the Heavy Falchion, but no weapon simply named "Falchion". - Soranin (talk) 18:03, 3 December 2021 (UTC)