User talk:Lacrossedeamon/Animus Archetype
Opening up for suggestions
So I’d like to start discussing what could be or shouldn't be include in this to keep it in line with our IU perspective policy. I’d also like to talk about formatting to see if there’s a better way to name the sections. Personally I see this as being formatted similar to out Mentor page with just pictures of each archetype and the name linked to the actual article. As for content we need to talk about how far in the weeds we can go. Origins is unique that it breaks down archetypes further into variants but depending on how you view the game = Animus concept that might be OOU. Next the game guides only refer to archetypes when talking about enemies but should we or shouldn’t we include civilians or allied NPCs? Finally and this might be the most complex, the concept of archetypes from LD when they use the Animus to simulate the collective unconscious; what the hell do we do with that? Lacrossedeamon (talk) 03:04, April 23, 2020 (UTC)
- I just want to let you know that, especially after Assassiiinuss expressed confusion over our current "Soldiers" page, I think having a complete page listing all enemy archetypes would be really convenient for our readers. I remember that over on the "Soldiers" talk page, you mentioned that if we really can't make this in-universe, you would be fine scrapping it because you don't wish to be the one to set that sort of precedent for pages entirely devoted to OOU content. I appreciate that consideration. At the same time, I think that since there is more and more evidence that there is some sort of need for this page, then we should find a way to keep it; if there is a need for this page, you shouldn't feel bad about setting that precedent even if it ends up having to be OOU. :)
- Now having said that, Assassiiinuss's concern also made me more doubtful that it would be helpful to twist our description of these archetypes into an IU-perspective even if that would theoretically ideal. We should still find a way if possible, but I worry that any attempt to make it IU would still cause some confusion for readers, and it might really be best to simply have this as an OOU page. I don't say this lightly because I am very pro-IU, but I know we have to be adaptable sometimes too I guess.
- I would recommend excluding civilian archetypes though. Allied NPCs I think should be included because there are combatants like police and the Ottomans which strictly speaking aren't always meant to be enemies, and the games color-codes these NPCs differently from other enemies (e.g. blue, orange, green, etc.). I think formatting this similar to the Mentor page, i.e. like a gallery, should probably be fine although I'm wondering if that would leave any space for descriptions because I know at least one user in the past who wanted this page was looking for details of each type. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 16:19, April 29, 2020 (UTC)
- Personally, I'd still like it to be IU. Otherwise we'd probably need to get rid of the Last Descendants archetypes which I find the most interesting part of this page. But I also forgot about Discovery, Bloodlines, and Altair's Chronicles and don't know how to include them in a IU manner as there is no known Animus aspect to them.
- I'm fine leaving out civilians as I was never 100% on including them anyways. I just wanted to start big and then prune where necessary. Would we still keep courtesans, mercenaries, etc?
- As for the formatting I assume we will still keep pages like Brute but update it with the archetypes from the other animi. I feel that would cover the descriptions and this page would just be a means to quickly cycle through the different types. Otherwise I feel this page would be massive. Alternatively though we could try tabs under each header.
- I think we also need to discuss the archetype database entries from the Chronicle games. Because they are by definition IU but are wonky as hell. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 11:09, April 30, 2020 (UTC)
Master (ACCI)
I wouldn't say that the masters are with East India Company, but I think that they are mercenaries. GodGamer GodConsole 11:31, June 20, 2020 (UTC)