Talk:Helix Initiate
Initiate[edit source]
Well Abstergo Entertainment research analyst isn't exactly a name like Initiate. --Cococrash11 (talk) 00:00, November 10, 2014 (UTC)
Name[edit source]
Bishop keeps calling him Initiate or either kid throughout the game and in the ending. So the name is conjecture. --Cococrash11 (talk) 08:07, November 11, 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, the name will always be conjecture, but "Initiate" still doesn't work. I like Slate's idea of "Helix Initiate". Stormbeast ♉ The Helpful Place 02:31, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
Why doesn't it work. Bishop is just Bishop and you didn't think of adding Helix Bishop into it. --Cococrash11 (talk) 03:28, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
- ...Because there's no other "Bishop" in the AC Universe. Stormbeast ♉ The Helpful Place 03:34, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
What about Assassin Initiate or is that taken already. --Cococrash11 (talk) 03:35, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
Basically the set-up would be like this. This article would be renamed to "Helix initiate". The article "Initiate" would become a disambiguation page. Rough draft Stormbeast ♉ The Helpful Place 22:20, November 23, 2014 (UTC)
You're going to ignore what I talk about in Picture. --Cococrash11 (talk) 22:34, November 23, 2014 (UTC)
- Because you get off-topic again. Both "Initiate" and "Helix initiate" are conjecture. But "Initiate", as I've said several times before, does not just refer to this individual. Stormbeast ♉ The Helpful Place 22:39, November 23, 2014 (UTC)
Assassin[edit source]
Bishop did say if the Initiate watch the Phoenix Project video that mean he joins the Assassins. That would also mean the Initiate is an Assassin. --Cococrash11 (talk) 05:45, November 14, 2014 (UTC)
Perhaps, but the most predominant feature that they possess is that they were selected as a member of the Helix research/testing group to act as their agent. Even though they soon become involved with the Assassins, "Helix initiate" is a more accessible term. Slate Vesper (talk) 20:49, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
I think the Initiate is the best term since it is short and easy for the readers to find. While article's can have a long name as possible as long it's conjecture but quotes has to be as short as possible that's unfair. --Cococrash11 (talk) 23:53, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
Slate's right. "Helix initiate" would be best, same with "Helix research analyst" for Rogue. Stormbeast ♉ The Helpful Place 21:26, November 22, 2014 (UTC)
Where's the proof that the Protagonist for Rogue is an entirely different character and not the same one from Black Flag. --Cococrash11 (talk) 21:47, November 22, 2014 (UTC)
- The proof is in the game. There's a bunch of stuff that shows that it's not the same character, such as: them having a different desk, Melanie telling them about Olivier as if they hadn't met before, and the character not having the security access that they would have otherwise. So, yeah, not the same character. -- Zero-ELEC (talk) 05:48, November 23, 2014 (UTC)
What's "Rouge"? Stormbeast ♉ The Helpful Place 21:57, November 22, 2014 (UTC)
Having different desks doesn't mean they aren't the same person; people change desks all the time it could be as simple as that. About Melanie talking about Oliver to the Research Analyst the time period was 2013-2014 a whole year if we assumed the game release year from Black Flag to Rogue is the correct year in the Modern day story. She might thought the Research Analyst forgot about him since it was a year between Black Flag and Rogue and the year of his disappearance began at Black Flag which is 1 year ago. Also some of the security access was given to him by John Standish not from the Templars. They might remove the security access given to him by John. Even if the Templar did give him the previous security access codes and you forgotten one thing when he relive Shay Cormac's memories it released a virus and that virus destroyed all the security codes from last year and had to use new ones given by the Templars. --Cococrash11 (talk) 09:59, November 23, 2014 (UTC)
I doubt the analyst would need a reminder as to who their former boss is. Also, at the end of Black Flag, all evidence of the analysts' hacking and links with John was erased. On top of that, the analyst become the Assassins' contact in Abstergo Entertainment, and there's no mention of that in Rogue. The one in Rogue works against the Assassins, and doesn't even warn them.--Bovkaffe (talk) 11:51, November 23, 2014 (UTC)
You're thinking about a talking Protagonist. This is a game and he's a Silent Protagonist and they all need to be reminded of what happen in previous games. That's the beauty of being a Silent Protagonist. He isn't Desmond that remembers everything in the previous games, I don't think the game creator think to much of what the Research Analyst remembers or not. When he works with the Assassins yes he works with them and even helps them. But he works for Abstergo Entertainment and he doesn't owe the Assassins that much to warn them and beside he probably doesn't know or realize what it was when Juhani Otso Berg was doing the deed at least not in the moment but later. --Cococrash11 (talk) 19:21, November 23, 2014 (UTC)
- They (not he) do not interact with Melanie like as if they had known each other before. Not even a mention of "Hey, I'm sorry about this, first the thing with John, now this," or even any reference that this character had any previous meaningful interactions. And normally when they remind you of stuff it's like, "You remember that time with Olivier, when he disappeared?" instead of "This is Olivier, he was the COO before me, but he disappeared because of reasons." It's plenty obvious this is not the same character as the one in the last game. --Zero-ELEC (talk) 20:51, November 23, 2014 (UTC)
He (Don't care I'm calling it he as long it's not in the main articles) already receives the apology from Melanie in Black Flag. "This is Olivier, he was the COO before me, but he disappeared because of reasons." As I said before she thought the Research Analyst forgot about him, since Oliver was missing for a whole year. Ubisoft doesn't really think too hard on the Modern day story plot wise otherwise we wouldn't be talking about this at all.
There is no concrete evidence to support and disprove yours or mine yet, and it's all based on conversation. Alexandre Amancio said the Initiate isn't the Research Analyst from Black Flag. If so why isn't there an article saying Rogue's Research Analyst isn't the Research Analyst from Black Flag. If there is one I would love to see it.
If you and everyone are so confident that they are 2 completely different characters. Why don't you and everyone go to Assassin's Creed: Rogue Wikipedia page article and change the sentence saying it's not "The Modern Day plot begins one year after the events of Black Flag, with the unnamed player character continuing to work for Abstergo Entertainment." --Cococrash11 (talk) 21:20, November 23, 2014 (UTC)
- At this point, this conversation shouldn't be here. We should take it to the Helix research analyst talk page or the forums. --Zero-ELEC (talk) 21:59, November 23, 2014 (UTC)
Picture[edit source]
Should we give him/her a picture?
Awesomekid120 (talk) 21:22, November 22, 2014 (UTC)Awesomekid120
- That's an optional avatar for any Initiate, which actually proves my point that anyone could get the two (Initiates/Initiate) confused. Stormbeast ♉ The Helpful Place 21:26, November 22, 2014 (UTC)
There's a difference with Initiate and Initiates. They are not so hard to understand that we need to called it Helix Initiate in order to understand the differences. If that's case why not change Initiates into Helix Initiates from we see in AC Initiates the Initiates are also Helix user. --Cococrash11 (talk) 21:51, November 22, 2014 (UTC)
- You're not making any sense. The Initiates were around before the Helix servers were used. Stormbeast ♉ The Helpful Place 21:57, November 22, 2014 (UTC)
Well the Initiates are now using Helix. Unity only talks about one Initiate piloting Arno in the Modern Day story and the other Initiates mentioned by Bishop are piloting other nameless Assassins in the French Revolution in the Co-Op mission assisting the Initiate/Arno from the Modern Day story and the French Revolution.
When I think about it Bishop and Initiate aren't conjecture name but titles that was said aloud in the main game like with Subject 16. The title Subject 16 was said aloud by Desmond and his team and that was once the article's name. The article title wasn't called Animus Subject 16 but instead Subject 16. Subject 1, Subject 12, and Subject 15 were the title articles and they weren't listed under Unidentified individuals or even a conjecture titles. I think that's very different from Abstergo Entertainment research analyst and Helix Research Analyst who were never called by any title except for Noob and Numbskull. (Still not convinced they are different characters)
Also other articles under Unidentified individuals aside from Bishop and Initiate were never called by their conjecture titles. --Cococrash11 (talk) 19:40, November 23, 2014 (UTC)
Initiate (2014)[edit source]
Why not called him Initiate (2014) like with Egyptian Assassin (1250), French Templar (1307), and Templar Admiral (1735). --Cococrash11 (talk) 22:39, November 23, 2014 (UTC)
- Because for all we know, the game doesn't take place in 2014. Just like 2007's Assassin's Creed took place in 2012. We couldn't have gone with Desmond Miles (2007) for that just because of OOU date. --Kainzorus Prime ⚜ Walkie-talkie 22:41, November 23, 2014 (UTC)
Point taken with Desmond. But Desmond is dead and the rest of the game is not focused on the 2012 year but on the game release year. Like with Olivier Garneau's and John Standish's missing/death were in 2013 the same year Black Flag was released. Also the quotes for Initiate and Bishop were set in 2014 and none of the other people change the year in the quotes. --Cococrash11 (talk) 23:03, November 23, 2014 (UTC)
Assassin's Creed: Syndicate[edit source]
So tell me again why someone think the Initiate in Syndicate isn't the same as Unity. Since I talk to 2 different writers that the Initiate is just You. https://twitter.com/DarbyMcDevitt/status/658396437240270848 https://twitter.com/jeffreyyohalem/status/657647420239687681 --Cococrash11 (talk) 21:48, October 25, 2015 (UTC)