Talk:Byzantine Empire

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Palaiologos crest

I know the real-life crest for the Palaiologos dynasty is the same as shown here, but should we add a bit of trivia about the center resembling an Apple of Eden? --Kainzorus Prime ^{Walkie-talkie} 10:58, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps it would be best to rename this to "Byzantine Empire"? Makao the Byzantine {T/\L|<} 20:02, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

Trivia

Edited the trivia section: the term Graikoi for Greeks was rarely used amongst themselves (as is today) and Hellenes had long fallen out of favour due to the name being associated with pagan worshippers.

First of all, sign your comments. And like I said, the Byzantines grew fond of emphasising their Hellenic heritage, it became pretty popular during and after the Latin Occupation for them to call themselves Hellenes. See here. Makao the Byzantine {T/\L|<} 17:38, October 8, 2013 (UTC)

The Byzantine does not exists in Revealations.

I don't know why you think the Empire exists in 1511?NON-STOPPING GAMER2009 (talk) 08:58, June 1, 2020 (UTC)

Yes, officially the Byzantine Empire had been desolved in 1453, but remnants of the empire still exists as mentioned in many parts of the dialogue and memories in the game. XOdeyssusx (talk) 09:09, June 1, 2020 (UTC)

So that means when the empire existed didn't had Templar or Assassin affliations. Its remnants were all puppets to the Templar Order. NON-STOPPING GAMER2009 (talk) 14:16, June 6, 2020 (UTC)

Greek revolution didn't happen because of the Templars

Greeks revolted because the Ottomans were acting like tyrants to the Greek populace. Not because some Templars wanted to make their own nation. NON-STOPPING GAMER2009 (talk) 14:22, June 6, 2020 (UTC)

I told you again the Greeks didn't rebelled against Ottomans with Templar help. NON-STOPPING GAMER2009 (talk) 14:36, June 6, 2020 (UTC)

Then you gotta provide sources and stuff to support your stand. XOdeyssusx (talk) 14:38, June 6, 2020 (UTC)

It isn'r methods of the Brotherhood and it is not mentioned in-game. NON-STOPPING GAMER2009 (talk) 15:04, June 6, 2020 (UTC)

It is not good to be racist, so don't make racistic edits. NON-STOPPING GAMER2009 (talk) 11:54, June 7, 2020 (UTC)

It looks great without any racism. NON-STOPPING GAMER2009 (talk) 12:35, June 7, 2020 (UTC)

The Templars want liberty, or the Assassins? NON-STOPPING GAMER2009 (talk) 13:10, June 7, 2020 (UTC)

Category inserting

Add Category: Greece to Byzantine Empire. NON-STOPPING GAMER2009 (talk) 11:30, June 8, 2020 (UTC)

I'm afraid not. The Byzantine Empire included various other non-Greek territories such as present day Turkey and Italian lands. XOdeyssusx (talk) 11:33, June 8, 2020 (UTC)

But it is Greece as an empire version GodGamer GodConsole 20:12, June 13, 2020 (UTC)

Funny thing is that, I actually would not mind this. The Byzantine Empire was essentially a hybrid Roman-Greek nation. Although its demographics was extremely diverse, i.e. it was a multi-ethnic country, so was China under the Tang dynasty, so was the Achaemenid Empire of Persia, and so are many modern countries whose national identity is based on a primary ethnic group. The idea of the Byzantine Empire being regarded as essentially Greek rule comes up in conversations in Revelations where side characters distinguish its Greek character from the Turkish one of Ottoman Empire which conquered them. All that having been said, I wouldn't add the category unless others agree. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 21:59, June 13, 2020 (UTC)

Well should Empires be categorized under the regions they sprung up from or should regions subjugated be categorized under the Empires? Lacrossedeamon (talk) 02:09, June 14, 2020 (UTC)

Looking at who Wikipedia does its categorization, Byzantine Empire falls under Roman Empire and a couple Former Empires in ____ but not under Greece. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 02:17, June 14, 2020 (UTC)

The case for Byzantine Empire being under Greece isn't so much based on geography as its culture and language being primarily Greek, with Greek rulers although the fact it is geographically located in Greece helps the case. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 02:38, June 14, 2020 (UTC)

Man I wish there was an easy way to categorize by Greece (cultural), Greece (geographical), and Greece (political) with Byzantium and Greece (political) falling under the first and the second falling under those in turn. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 02:56, June 14, 2020 (UTC)

But it is part of Greek history. GodGamer GodConsole 13:45, June 14, 2020 (UTC)

Sure but in what context: Greek cultural history, Greek geographical history, Greek political history, etc.? And does that same context line up with the context of our category page for Greece? To throw a wrench into things from what I understand the Byzantines didn’t even consider themselves Greeks but Romans instead. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 13:58, June 14, 2020 (UTC)

As far as I know, the Greece category is for anything related to Greece, which is entirely fine, and we don't need to overcomplicate it. During the Byzantine Empire, Greek and Roman identities were merged. If a distinction has to be made, they were politically Roman, with perhaps a Roman identity pervading throughout the empire, but the core of the Byzantine Empire was indisputably Greek. Greek people saw the Byzantine Empire as an indigenous rule. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 20:22, June 14, 2020 (UTC)

I saw someone writing Alexander the Great was not Greek. Byzantine you say is not Greek. History is being made fake by some peoples who call themselves Macedonians. GodGamer GodConsole 18:26, June 16, 2020 (UTC)

Locked page

I feel like this page can be unlocked, considering the reason for it being locked has been banned for years from the wiki. - Soranin (talk) 20:20, 26 June 2024 (UTC) Edit: they were actually banned for a year but never returned after, only to remove stuff from their user page. - Soranin (talk) 20:24, 26 June 2024 (UTC)