Talk:Assassin Gauntlet

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To Merge or not to Merge?

Personally, I don't think this should be merged. The reasoning is that this is the same reason as the Hookblade, which is basically a Hidden Blade with a secondary hook attachment. This is a Hidden Blade with a secondary grappling hook and tertiary dart launcher attachment. In summary, if we are to merge this one, we should merge Hookblade as well, and since I doubt we're merging that, then I doubt we should merge this.GZilla311 (talk) 14:44, May 13, 2015 (UTC)

Agreed. This article's information should probably be on Hidden Blade as well, but the separate article might as well remain. --Crimson Knight _Intercom 15:42, May 13, 2015 (UTC)

Thing is though, the Hookblade page is bland and doesn't add anything really that new as what's elaborated on with the Hidden Blade subsection. Just trivia pieces. In all fairness, anything relevant on Hookblade could easily be transferred to Hidden Blade and the page deleted.

It seems a little silly for every new iteration of the Hidden Blade to have its own page when they're all just re-inventions of the one basic tool that all Assassins utilise with some new quirk. Slate Vesper (talk) 16:11, May 13, 2015 (UTC)

Well, that's fair. All I'm interested in is consistency. If we just combine all the articles into one, I'm fine with that. But let's see what other people think. --Crimson Knight _Intercom 16:28, May 13, 2015 (UTC)

I'd go for merging, but that's just my personal preference. Nesty ^{Contact me!} 16:47, May 13, 2015 (UTC)

I am also for merging. From what I've gathered, from various websites, the "Assassin Gauntlet" is nothing new, just the name of the bracer which most Assassins have already possessed. The new feature is the rope launcher, hallucinogenic darts already being a thing. Stormbeast ♉ ^{The Helpful Place} 20:53, May 13, 2015 (UTC)

Merge, as long as we're consistent about it. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 21:01, May 14, 2015 (UTC)

I am for keeping the articles separate. We have separate hookblade and Phantom Blade article after all. Perhaps the article should be renamed [rope gun], since this is the newest feature to be included on a hidden blade. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 22:29, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

To have that be the reasoning for keeping them seperate, when all are being proposed to be merged, is a little pointless. They're seperate for the sake of seperatism, and perhaps linkage. Given they're modifications to a base template, it'd be more understandable to merge to Hidden Blade and have their own subsection detailing them if they're truly that noteworthy. Slate Vesper (talk) 23:36, June 23, 2015 (UTC)

Can we make a decision please? --Crimson Knight _Intercom 13:06, August 8, 2015 (UTC)

I say we merge them, but it'd mean that many of the Hidden Blade modifications that got their own pages might also have to be merged with the Hidden Blade page. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 13:14, August 8, 2015 (UTC)

Merging is clearly the most favored option, so that's the one we'll be going for. Amnestyyy (Contact me!) <helper /> 13:47, August 8, 2015 (UTC)

I concur. Will we be merging articles like Hookblade and Poison Blade as well? --Crimson Knight _Intercom 16:56, August 8, 2015 (UTC)

I think we should. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 16:58, August 8, 2015 (UTC)

Honestly, let's not merge this page and the other pages with the main Hidden Blade page. The reason behind it is like all the other variations of the Hidden Blade, all of them have their unique mechanics during combat or at least similar to it. Take the Hookblade for example. The Hookblade have the "Hook and run" mechanic which is unique to it. The same thing can apply to the Assassin Gauntlet with it's rope launcher and the integrated brass knuckles. We could still put some details about the Assassin Gauntlet in the Hidden Blade page. But put the combat and unique gameplay mechanics of the guantlet in it's own page. TheGhostSpectrum (talk) 06:54, August 16, 2015 (UTC)

I don't see why we would keep them seperate, considering a lot of information on the Hookblade page is already on the Hidden Blade page as well, essentially rendering the Hookblade page obsolete. There's no use in having two pages that tell us the same thing.

By the way, were there any volunteers for merging all of this stuff with the Hidden Blade? Crook ^{The Constantine District} 07:54, August 16, 2015 (UTC)

Not as of yet, it seems. I could start with the other pages and leaving this page for last. Should any like to volunteer, i'd be happy to oblige. So, should we merge the pages that are related to the Hidden Blade such as, the Hidden Gun, Poison Blade and other pages? TheGhostSpectrum (talk) 08:59, August 16, 2015 (UTC)

I don't want to be presumptious and decide by myself. I think the Hidden Gun article is fine on its own, its got more than enough content that might be out of place on the Hidden Blade Article. Poison Blade I'm a bit iffy about, so perhaps skip that one for now as well. I would merge the Hookblade, Phantom Blade and Assassin Gauntlet with the Hidden Blade article, personally. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 09:12, August 16, 2015 (UTC)

I have made the changes in the Hidden Blade article. Both the Hookblade and the Phantom Blade have been merged with the main article. I will proceed with the Assassin Gauntlet if there is any further opinions and changes you would like me to do. TheGhostSpectrum (talk) 10:51, August 16, 2015 (UTC)

I agree this should be merged with the Hidden Blade page, I am of the opinion that the "Gauntlet" is merely an addapted hiddenblade bracer that the Twins have added to with the help of Alex Bell. At the start of the game it is pretty much a hidden blade with a bracer and gloved knuckle duster. when this is merged credit should go directly to Bell for his adaptions for the blade like we already have da vinci —unsigned comment by Badwolf7 (talk · contr)

Revisting the merge issue

I personally dissent from the agreement to merge the variations on the Hidden Blade to that article simply because by now, the variations are really extensive. I think really, the only argument for or against a merge is whether this article becomes too bloated, as it is standard Wikipedian practice to create new articles on a similar subject or variation of a subject once there is too much content on one page. As well, it would be consistent with the fact that we have more articles on specific enemy unit types which I personally am less sure about. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 02:44, July 7, 2017 (UTC)

Agree on most points. — Zero-ELEC (talk) 05:33, July 7, 2017 (UTC)

"Assassin Gauntlet" not a proper name for this variation

I think this article might be incorrect. I never interpreted in the game that "Assassin gauntlet" is a proper name for this Hidden Blade modification with a rope launcher attached as this article presents. Rather, I think of it as a general term the game uses conveniently for the glove that the Frye twins wore which has a Hidden Blade, a rope launcher, and armor for the fingers. Sure, we can still say the "Assassin gauntlet" as a whole is a weapon, but I don't see in sources it being affirmed as the proper name for this variation (not like the Pivot Blade or Shock Blade or Trident Blade) which this article seems to assume. Sources like the The Essential Guide uses the term "gauntlet" in general for the glove that holds the blade, not as a name for a specific variation of the Hidden Blade itself. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 02:53, July 7, 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, I think it's self-evident that it's not meant to be a proper name for a thing, rather a descriptive term. — Zero-ELEC (talk) 05:33, July 7, 2017 (UTC)

Checking up more on sources, aside from Syndicate and its promotional material, The Essential Guide, when listing variants of Hidden Blades, doesn't name the version used in Syndicate as "Assassin Gauntlet" but always just uses the word "Rope Launcher" (alongside and in parallel to "Phantom Blade", "Pivot Blade", "Hidden Footblade", "Trident Blade" and "Shock Blade"). More precisely, "Hidden Blade gauntlets that had a blade on the underside and a Rope Lancher on top" where each specific name of a variant is bolded. The text itself, however, makes it clear "Rope Launcher" isn't the name of the variant itself, but that for convenience, Ubisoft treated the name "Rope Launcher" on the same tier anyways with the actual Hidden Blade variant only being described as Hidden Blades with a Rope Launcher. Sorry if this is confusing. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 06:57, July 7, 2017 (UTC)