User talk:关云

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Feel free to contact me on my talkpage if you need anything. Sol Pacificus (talk) 14:51, May 2, 2019 (UTC)

Greeting

NIce to meet you, Lucky Kwan!

:) —unsigned comment by 一个赛艇门‎ (talk · contr)

Mao Zedong being a Templar

Hello Guan Yun, I noticed that you removed all references to Mao Zedong being a Templar. I understand that you did this in good faith because you were waiting on citations for those, and we entirely forgot about it. The actual source was an interview that one of our admins, Master Sima Yi, had with Jeffrey Yohalem. It was completely our fault for not providing citations for this, which is a bit difficult because I have to find the exact podcast where this interview was conducted. I've reverted your edits for now, and I would ask you to please wait one more week, and if I don't provide citations then, feel free to remove the references to Mao being a Templar again. I simply forgot all about it, but your edits helped remind us. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 01:56, June 16, 2020 (UTC)

Fine. Settled then.关云 (talk) 02:03, June 16, 2020 (UTC)

So I got in touch with Master Sima Yi regarding this, and he informed me that the interview he had with Jeffrey Yohalem came after Loomer's podcast which can be found on YouTube. Because of this, it isn't in the actual video and cannot be cited. Well, technically speaking, personal interviews off-camera can be cited, but to keep things uncontroversial, it's probably best we don't do that. Given this, he has already removed the reference to Mao being a Templar on the page, and I have followed suit on the pages China and Shanghai Rite of the Templar Order.

On a site-note, think some of the information you added to the Chinese Civil War goes too much detail into things we only know from real-world history, and we try to minimize details like that, so I will have to review that article.

Let me know if you have any other questions or concerns! Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 18:36, June 17, 2020 (UTC)

I explained the detail time and events related to that because I edited original contents about the time of the Second Chinese Civil War. Since I shouldn't add too many details that can only be known from real history, I agree to remove those contents. However, if something related to the real world is mentioned, I think it should be accurate.

As for the issue that Mao Zedong being a Templar, it's really sensitive for Chinese netizens. We remove related contents after we confirmed that there is no citation can be found. The expression "the puppet of Templar" does hurt the feeling of Chinese mainland netizens. I think personal interviews off-camera can be cited, but the content related to that shouldn't appear in the main content, since it is not the public official setting about the celebrity.

Now I have no more questions or concerns. Thank you for helping me.关云 (talk) 01:58, June 18, 2020 (UTC)

Glad to help! If you don't mind me asking, I was wondering what is it about that expression that hurts the feelings of Mainlanders exactly? I would like to understand. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 18:54, June 19, 2020 (UTC)

Usually the expressions and topics hurting Mainlanders' feelings can devided into following types:

• Denying and ignoring the contribution of China (contribution in all historical periods are included).
• Insulting the image of China (especially insulting the national image of PRC) and the revolutionaries of China. From so-called Opium War to the founding of PRC, Chinese people had suffered from invasion and corrupted useless government for total 109 years. It is Sun Yat-sen and his fellow comrades first and then CPC who help Chinese people out. That's why Mainlanders can't accept Mao Zedong being a Templar or Sun Yat-sen being the Grand Master of Chinese Rite, since Templars are always villain in the series.
• Disagreeing the ideal of "One Nation, Two Systems", supporting regions like Hong Kong, Taiwan, Inner Mongol, Tibet and Xinjiang to be independent. These actions or related expressions intolerable for Mainlanders. Fundamentally speaking，region conflicts are the results of invasion wars and civil wars. We can't accept such expressions because we have been hurt in old days.
• Serious mistakes in history narration and the beautify invasion. It's also the result of invasion wars.

Altogether, the offensive expressions and topics will be described as insulting China (辱华) in SNS of mainland. Just like topics and expressions about races in Western world, it's our "political correctness". Hope my explanation can help you understand more about Mainlanders.关云 (talk) 04:01, June 20, 2020 (UTC)