Talk:Assassin leader
Shouldn't Fang Xioaru be here?Killeras 11:12, December 23, 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, he should, my bad. Adding him now. -- Master Sima Yi 11:37, December 23, 2011 (UTC)
- Don't worry, also I think Ishak Pasha should be here too, as an Assassin leader. I would add him myself but I'm afarid I don't really know how, and might screw up again if I try.
Grand Master
I remember some time ago when we got clarification on what exactly the rank of "Mentor" was that we deleted the "Grand Master of the Assassin Order" article and moved the "Grand Master of the Templar Order" article to Grand Master. That's all well and good but I think we should still include the title of "Grand Master" on this article in the lead paragraph (maybe with a {{youmay}} at the top). Mainly, this is because Mario Auditore's database entry in Brotherhood quite clearly labels him as 'Grand Master' of the Italian Assassins up until his death.
I'll try and get an exact quote later today; but opinions? --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 14:23, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
Mario's database entry in Brotherhood doesn't label him as Master of anything. Just noble, mercenary and "a born leader." Sadelyrate (talk) 14:53, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
- Apologies, it must not be his entry, but one that mentions him. Regardles, the fact remains he is referred to as Grand Master of the Italian Assassins at least once. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 16:24, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
- He is referred to as such in the Brotherhood novel. I spoke with Darby McDevitt about this some time ago, and he mentioned that the title of the Assassins' leader was initially Grand Master but was changed to Mentor some time before Revelations was released - I think to differentiate the names of the Assassins' and Templars' leader. Thus, it is a retcon. I would agree with making a mention of this as a trivia point, but not in the lead section where the canon stuff goes. -- Master Sima Yi Talk 16:30, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
- I was just about to edit my post when I remembered it came from the novel. Whilst I agree that it has been retconned out in favour of the title 'Mentor', it was still referred to quite a few times in canon, so the title does technically exist in canon. Perhaps a simple "The position of Assassin leader, sometime referred to as Grand Master was given to any member of the Assassin Order who had received leadership over a branch of Assassins." That is all it would need (and perhaps a mention on Mario's article, as he is the one in question.) --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 16:41, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
- He is referred to as such in the Brotherhood novel. I spoke with Darby McDevitt about this some time ago, and he mentioned that the title of the Assassins' leader was initially Grand Master but was changed to Mentor some time before Revelations was released - I think to differentiate the names of the Assassins' and Templars' leader. Thus, it is a retcon. I would agree with making a mention of this as a trivia point, but not in the lead section where the canon stuff goes. -- Master Sima Yi Talk 16:30, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
- A retcon is an alteration of previously established facts, not the introduction of a new one. In the latest version of the AC canon, no such thing as a Grand Master of Assassins exists, thus it would serve no purpose in a canon paragraph. I stand by my point of putting it in the trivia section. -- Master Sima Yi Talk 16:45, March 11, 2013 (UTC)