Talk:Noob

Gender

In Assassin's Creed: Initiates the Abstergo Entrainment employee said that Abstergo Entertainment research analyst is the noob, so does that mean he's a he. --Cococrash11 (talk) 19:04, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

Is "noob" masculine? Stormbeast ♉ ^{The Helpful Place} 19:16, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

Jennifer Tam said John is calibrating his Animus. --Cococrash11 (talk) 19:18, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe she meant John was calibrating his own Animus. Powerslave13 (talk) 20:48, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

No, the John character is fiddling with PC's Animus workstation. But she says "Your Animus" not "his Animus". They're deliberately wrote the modern day dialogue to omit gender references. Yes, it makes for awkward dialogue, or even a monologue in fact, but there you go. --Kainzorus Prime ^{Walkie-talkie} 20:51, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

Well, John did say that the analyst has a "tender body" when you finally met him. Not something you'd really say to a guy. Regards, Lvdoomien (talk) 02:27, July 3, 2014 (UTC)

Merge

With R-L. --Kainzorus Prime ^{Walkie-talkie} 20:58, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

Don't merge with R-L let R-L's information transfer into Abstergo Entertainment research analyst --Cococrash11 (talk) 02:57, October 30, 2013 (UTC)

R-L

Where does it said the name is R-L. --Cococrash11 (talk) 23:46, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

It comes up on multiple occassions if you look around. Look in the menu's and such. RedKorss 00:14, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

Title

The title should be simply be re-named to Subject 18. The Title is too long and Desmond Miles was known subject 17, not the research analyst.MB543 (talk) 12:20, November 23, 2013 (UTC)MB543

No, it shouldn't. This research analyst is not part of the Animus Project, he is part of the Sample 17 Project. And even if that was not the case, if he is not called Subject 18, then labelling him as such can only be considered fan fiction. Also take into consideration that this research analyst is not an Animus subject whatsoever, but a researcher, and he is most definitely not the first and only one working there. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 12:32, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

RL?

What does it mean? Pickleseller ^Talk 21:58, November 29, 2013 (UTC)

It's the initials of the research analyst we played in ACIV. His/her actual name are not known, unfortunately. Nesty ^{Contact me!} 22:50, November 29, 2013 (UTC)

Nesty, where is it said that R-L is our research analyst? I never noticed that in the game. (also, there are notes in some of the database entries attributed to an R-L, would that also be our main character? I didn't think he (or she) had anything to do with those) Crook ^{The Constantine District} 23:11, November 29, 2013 (UTC)

True, I've been reviewing all of ACIV's cutscenes and  not a single R-L... --AgentG231 (talk) 00:11, November 30, 2013 (UTC)

It actully makes sense the way his notes are written. RedKorss 01:04, November 30, 2013 (UTC)

Please elaborate why. Slate Vesper (talk) 01:06, November 30, 2013 (UTC)

Just that he seems to have been there and done what they are talking about. Also the fact that we never hear about anyone who's name starts with an 'R' Please do go over the things that pop up when in the Animus and read their conversations. Seems rather obvious to me.RedKorss 01:29, November 30, 2013 (UTC)

I have been over them, but since nothing's been confirmed, it may just be another employee chiming in on the database entries. Slate Vesper (talk) 18:56, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

So Abstergo Entertainment research analyst got replaced by R-L and there isn't even a shred of evidence of the term R-L and then you all decided to rename it back. What gives. --Cococrash11 (talk) 00:24, November 30, 2013 (UTC)

Cococrash, the wikia is run by human people. Human people make mistakes, so don't blast us for not getting it right immediately :/ Still haven't gotten an answer, so I am curious who decided R-L was the research analyst. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 01:11, November 30, 2013 (UTC)

They should get it right. I keep saying where the name come from but they ignored me and then when I re-discuss it they suddenly decide to rename it back. I was the one who started the article and when they replace mine for a name that hasn't even been confirmed of course I'm going to be irritated. Ask the one who created the R-L article in the first place. --Cococrash11 (talk) 01:38, November 30, 2013 (UTC)

Firstly, nobody here owns an article just because they made some changes to it; each time you make an edit you do so knowing that your changes may themself be changed by anyone else, and in any way. Secondly, you did not create this article, so you have no reason to feel irritated. You're overreacting about something which has already been resolved, so I suggest you just accept the change and move on. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 09:26, November 30, 2013 (UTC)

First of all, R-L could be vague enough to stand for the player [Remember, the actual player playing the game], but my initals are N.F. Although R.L. does sound vague, there are thousands of different intials combinations for everyone in the world, and R-L would make up less than 10% of them. The reason I say this and point importance toward the player in real life is that Ubisoft acutally claimed that the research analysist was supposed to be the embodiment of the player. Therefore, names would vary heavily. Boy, if R.L. Stine played Assassin's creed and saw this page, he would be happy. Unless the person who said R.L. was the analysist's official initials, they were probably tailoring it to be their own name to troll this forum. Without evidence, the analysist's initials might as well be T.B, G.W.D, H.D., and so forth. 68.187.156.79 03:33, May 1, 2014 (UTC)BallerBallerBills

Clues to the analysist's physical traits

I have a theory, and someone removed my edit from before. Please tell me if it sounds implausible.

The analysist gets stabbed by John at the end. Listen carefully to the grunt made the moment that happens. That must be the research analysist's, because why would John grunt? It doesn't take much force to thrust a needle into a body. The grunt would be a sound of pain coming from the victim. The grunt also sounds male, so the research analysist must be a male.

Also, more evidence that the research analysist is a guy. Stand next to a female NPC at the office [several to validate my claim]. The average male body is taller than the female's body in general, correct? You'll notice that your point of view towers slightly over most of the females at the office. Either you're an average size guy, or a really tall woman.

Want more evidence? Most of the Assassin's creed fanbase is composed of males. Therefore, it would make a lot of sense that the Research Analysist is male, especially if it really is/is based off the embodiment of the player.

Does it sound plausible?

68.187.156.79 23:24, April 29, 2014 (UTC)BallerBallerBills

Your edit was removed because it was speculation. Until we have proof, either in-game or from the developers, we are not stating that the analyst is male. Stormbeast ♉ ^{The Helpful Place} 23:33, April 29, 2014 (UTC)

Also, Darby McDevitt, the writer of Black Flag, recently confirmed in a tweet that the grunt was meant to be John's, not the analyst's. Your other arguments really don't carry much weight, so I'd say the research analyst's gender shall remain ambiguous until Ubisoft decides otherwise Crook ^{The Constantine District} 06:11, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

I don't think Ubisoft will reveal the physical traits of the player character, as it's supposed to be the player's body, but what I do think will happen is that the character themself will get their own story, as they do actually have their own diary and personal thoughts, so they would qualify as an actual character. It seemed that the injection grunt would be from the player character feeling pain, since it wouldn't take grunt-worthy force to stick someone with a needle.

I still view the height thing as suspicious, though, because the average male is 5'10, and the average female is 5'2, and the character's point of view is taller than all of the females at the office, and like I said, it would make sense to have a male base since it panders to the majority of Assassin's Creed audience, which are mostly composed of men. 68.187.156.79 03:30, May 1, 2014 (UTC)BallerBallerBills

"it would make sense to have a male base since it panders to the majority of Assassin's Creed audience, which are mostly composed of men."

First, sources. Second, so that means women players who love Assassin's Creed--like myself and many other women on this wiki--should be barred from identifying with the analyst the way Ubisoft wants us to because . . . why?

I don't want to get too personal, but this is one of my biggest pet peeves about fan reactions to this game. When I figured out that Ubisoft really did want players to be able to identify with the modern-day character regardless of gender, I was ecstatic, because that happens so rarely. I really got to immerse myself there and believe, yes, that is me. Then people come along and decide that the character has to be a man. Why? What do we lose by the character not being gendered? This character is meant to be someone onto whom we can project ourselves. What do you gain by taking that experience away from me?

I don't mind playing as a male character, not one iota. But it does get my hackles up a little when people insist a genderless character has to be a man, just because.

</rant>

-Molotov.cockroach (talk) 06:17, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

Wait, what? Molotov, you're a woman? O.o?! - okay, on to the main point I wanted to type before reading that: Ubisoft confirmed that the gender is meant to be ambiguous so that everyone can identify with it. Because of that, coming up with reasons why he has to be male is useless, unnecessary and even wrong, because he isn't. Or rather, yours may be male, mine was not. Nesty ^{Contact me!} 07:02, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

Haha, yeah I am. I tend not to mention it because it's rarely relevant, but it happened to be in this case. :) Thank you for summing that point up a lot more succinctly than I did. -Molotov.cockroach (talk) 07:27, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

Well, now I feel bad ;( I was just saying that the majority of Assassin's Creed fans were male, so it would make sense to have a male base. I will admit that no sources exist defining the player's actual traits outside of the evidence I provided, but once again, it's either an amizonian woman or an average height man. That was the evidence, and I didn't think a source was actually needed outside of comparing average heights of people around the office. I can tell Ubisoft was being very selective about what they say to prevent deduction of "R-L"s true gender. Don't ask how I know, but the first few diary entries seem kind of feminine to me for an unexplainable reason. It's like Ubisoft knew we would waste time trying to find out more details about "R-L". -BallerBallerBills

Personally, I think the PC is female. John intended for the PC's body to be the host of Juno's consciousness. I don't think he would select a guy for her physical body. That would be pretty messed up. Furthermore, you really shouldn't take these comments so seriously, Molotov. I doubt they were intended to be sexist. Either way it doesn't matter. It's all just speculation. Toolen (talk) 01:01, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

Is that template really necessary? I doubt we'll ever learn the analysts real name. —unsigned comment by Bovkaffe (talk · contr)

Yes. It's always necessary, regardless of whether we'll learn the real name. And sign your posts and create new sections when you're starting a new topic, Bovkaffe. --Crimson Knight _Intercom 10:34, May 10, 2014 (UTC)

Rogue protagonist's identity

This is probably not the same character from Rogue. The character from Rogue has a different desk/animus, and does not have access to all the security levels, unlike this one. Until we have confirmation either way, let's assume they are different people. - Zero-ELEC (talk) 21:42, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

Also, I think Melanie would have defended them from that woman at the start if they were the one who researched Edward. Or, at the very least, interacted differently with them. --Crimson Knight _Intercom 21:46, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

When you get up to CCO's office, Mel talks as if you don't have a clue who Olivier was, even though you met him personally in Black Flag. So this pretty much spells out "you're a DIFFERENT nameless, mute, floating tablet in this game." What are we gonna name the new article though? Helix Research Analyst? All of this crap could be avoided if we had proper modern day protagonists and coherent plot again... --Kainzorus Prime ⚜ ^{Walkie-talkie} 22:07, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

The protagonist in Rogue is definitely a different person. On a related note, did the game give any hint as to fate of Black Flag's protagonist? Their clearly absent in 2014, and I was wondering if the game contained clues pertaining to what happened. I just got the game,and I haven't finished it yet, so I wouldn't know. If the game does contain clues, they should be added to the article. Toolen (talk) 01:09, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

Relevance?

I noticed this in the trivia for the modern day Research Analyst in Black Flag: "According to Melanie Lemay in regards to the memories of Arno Dorian, Abstergo had trouble finding the researchers with required potential, in order to extensively explore the genetic memories of individuals with a high count of First Civilization DNA." Is this half-finished or something? I don't see why it's there since Arno's not mentioned in Black Flag. If it's meant to be about the First Civ DNA bit, it should be reworded, if not, then I can't see a reason for it being there. Welshman15 (talk) 16:51, January 27, 2015 (UTC)