Talk:Assassins/Archive 1

Who is Rebecca Crane?--PhantomT1412 12:27, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Oh? It isn't? My fault, sorry about that. I didn't know. Toukashi 16:15, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Well, I really didn't know who she was. But I did some research since... --PhantomT1412 20:59, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

About the Assassin's Flag

In a rare moment, I decided to play Assassin's Creed through again. Don't ask why. Anyway, I was given an update over Live, which appears to have changed game textures of everything bearing the Assassin's logo. It appears that in the middle of the insignia is some kind of cube thing that wasn't there before. I've taken a quick look and there doesn't seem to be anything about it. Anybody else seen this, and if so, could you provide pictures? Swollenfish 13:33, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

As far as I remember, all assassin's flags on Masyaf and throughout the word already had that cube on it, but I have the PC version. -- D. Cello 16:01, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

I just checked my strategy guide; the picture in the flag collection section of the Masyaf flag does have something in the middle of the Assassin's logo. The picture is kind of small, but whatever is in the middle of the logo does resemble a cube. --Aftyn 10:52, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

Location of Modern

Can we add a speculation section. In AC2 if you look out the windows in the Assassins Hideout they city scape looks like Venice or one of the Italian cities....any thoughts?

~ Kole

Speculations on the Talk page. Article pages, only facts. -- D. Cello 00:46, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

The signs in the parking lots (at both places) are in italian....... CarloGrimaldi 01:16, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

Spanish

I saw Raphael Sanchez and Gaspard Martinez on this page; Raphael as an Assassin and Gaspard as Ezio's victim. I assume they are from AC II: Discovery, or are they just made up? Can someone confirm either of these? Master Sima Yi 11:12, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Abraham Lincoln and John Wilkes Boothe

Isn't it possible that Lincoln was a Templar using the Apple to control the southern or northern states to start the Civil War, and Boothe the Assassin trying to stop it?--Bladeinthecrowd 07:22, December 31, 2009 (UTC)Bladeinthecrowd

Nope. It says the way it is now in Subject 16's The Truth files. Master Sima Yi 13:13, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

Abel

I've played the game twice and i have not seen any evidence of him being an Assassin now i'm not saying he too is evil but he could have not cared about the Assassins or Adam and Eve could have given it to him after the war since they apperently found no use for it and since Abel died before the Templars even existed and after the war between the humans and "those who came before" there was no need for assassins at the time and the Assassins group could have started after the Templars were formed. ANd I'm sry if im making this look like such a big deal but everyone on here takes every little thing so seriously --TitanGunz 23:50, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

I agree - Abel doesn't seem to be an assassin himself - nor does Adam and Eve for that matter - I suspect they belonged to a sort of rebellion/freedom fighter group who liberated the humans from Those Who Came Before. Adam, Eve, and maybe Abel might be the descentants of the Assassins, or at least the Assassins immune to the piece of Eden (including the members of the order who helped out Altair in the final sequence of assassins creed 1). Regardless, I think Adam, Eve, and Abel need to be removed from the list of Assassins - Cain was definitely the first Templar, as his 'mark' (i.e. Symbol) is the Templar one, and he stole the Apple (PE1?) from Abel, probably for power. The trouble is Adam and Eve's role isn't fully explored yet, so we can't say for sure what they where doing. But I don't believe the evidence supports them being the founders of the assassins --Yargling 00:32, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

Kennedy

Would JFK be an Assassin or one of their allies? Because if you look at the Truth files it says that Abstergo planned his assassination.

--Beirut 23:06, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think JFK was an Assassins, I think maybe the Templars tried to recruit him (like they did with Nicola Telsa), and he wasn't interested - then they killed him to get his PoE. The assassins, from what I understand, stay in the shadows and only act to counter the templars; power is not there goal, only the prevention of world domination by the Templars and the destruction of free will. --Yargling 00:32, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

I don't even understand why we have pages for JFK, Lincoln, Hitler, the only part these people have in the AC games is the 5 second pictures shown in the glyphs they do not affect the story line in anyway possible. Who cares if they had a piece of eden and were killed b/c of that? �

This place is supposed to be a "complete" database. 'Nuff said. --Silver Mage Ω 05:46, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

References

I think this article is a bit over-referenced. There is no need for a reference behind every single name. Our point is making a usefull database, not putting a lot of info and telling us were we got it from. Everyone knows were the info is from: from the games and the other media. No need putting it here. -- Master Sima Yi 13:52, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

It's policy. Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 14:14, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

It's policy to put a reference behind every single name instead of just including a group of names for one reference? -- Master Sima Yi 14:16, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Atheists?!

How is their religion atheism? There were christians among the assassin's. I think the proper word should be "various". Alexrd 18:39, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Well Altaïr was surely an atheist. Though they still describe him as spiritual. He knew from his master that the Apple was responsible for all the miracles people saw, which were just illusions performed by the Apple. Altaïr wrote in his codex he doesn't believe in a creator. And the work of assassins, their drive-force was based on the codex. I'm not sure which assassins you think to be Christian. -- Altaïr 19:50, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

• • Altaïr was just one assassin among many. It was believed that the Apple was responsible for all the miracles, but that was not proved. Teodora was christian, although not belonging to any church. Besides, the religion of the other assassins is unkown, and as such, nobody can claim that all of them are (were) atheists. Alexrd 19:13, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

They were all different religions...... Ezio, along with his whole family was Catholic, the codex and the first game says Altair was half Christian and half Muslim but follows an Agnostic culture, Malik and his brother were Muslims and they're just the Assassins who openly admitting their religion..... So I too believe it should be various but apparently Jasca's word is the be all and end all......EchoAltair......

D.Cello is the one who decides on this. Jasca is a mod, a member of the Istruttorium. But it's admins like D.Cello who have the final word. So if you have any questions, you can adress them to either D.Cello, me or master Sima Yi. Members like Jasca make sure the wiki stays in a good condition. As for the religion. I agree that the Assassins started off in a Muslim evironment. But after Altair knew thetruth and wrote the codex he knew he had to start to re-shape the Assassins in a different philosophy, compared to the blinded obedience under Al Mualim. Altaïr was one assassin, but after the first game he did become master of the assassins and lets not forget that he left and that the Assassin order we know from the Renaissance, mainly in Italy was forged from the codex or at least inspired. But I agree that they lived in a time of ignorance because the codex was lost after Domenico Auditore was forced to hide it and split it, so afterwards they could have had varied religions indeed. An would they base their religion on the codex. I do think so.-- Altaïr 19:50, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

I read the codex as though he taught them to 'open their minds', to tell them the truth and let them make of it what they wish. Not convert them all to athiesm, then he'd be just as bad as Al Mualim...... And the codex is a family heirloom, all families had one, I even have one, so chances are that noone has ever seen that codex outside the bloodline of the author...... Even Master Sima Yi has tried to change it to various but Jasca keeps changing it back saying it shouldn't be 'blanketed' when he has just blanketed them all as athiests....... Assassins claiming they are nephilim is the stuff religion is made of, so being athiest is far from the truth anyway......... EchoAltair......

Is that so? Well he shouldn't. Don't want to play boss here, but I do think the religion of Assassins is depended on the timeline. I'm sure Altaïr was an atheist. But others weren't. Many in the Third Crusade were muslim and everyone not familiar with the context of the codex could be of a variety of religions. So I'll change it. And indeed Altaïr wouldn't try to convert the assassins under his leadership, nor would they be familiar with the codex as it was not completed anyway. I have to ask you to sign your signatures propery. Just base it on mine and replace my nickname with yours. Altaïr 23:15, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Yea, just check the history of changes.... And thankyou for changing it....... Sorry for not signing my posts properly but my laptop's broke and I'm using my phone which doesn't have tildes or a signature button so that's the best I can do I'm afraid....... EchoAltair.....

assassins

hey i was looking for a list of the actuall assassins [like altair, ezio, desmond, those dudes under the villa in ac2, etc] but this was all i could find. is there a page with a list of them all? please redirect me if possible

Check the section entitled "Known asssassins" perhaps. It list all the named assassins we know of. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 11:52, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

You can also just check the list here: Category:Assassins. -- Master Sima Yi 21:11, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

Has anyone else noticed that in that Sanctuary under Monteriggioni, the assassins all have a different-looking assassins' emblem? One has one composed of snakes, another with leaves, etc. Has this been documented at all?122.104.203.226 07:20, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Bahir and Karim

Who are they? In which game do they appear? -- Master Sima Yi 21:11, October 1, 2010 (UTC)