Editing User talk:General Clanker

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Feel free to contact me on my talkpage if you need anything. [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 18:50, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
==Making use of edit summaries==
Hello General Clank! I noticed that you took the initiative to make a major update to the "[[Ezio Auditore da Firenze]]" article recently. Because of the size of the edit (9,454 characters), it helps your fellow editors if you let them know what the edit is about through an edit summary. That way, they know what to look for as they review your edit. While edit summaries are not strictly required, they are strongly encouraged with most edits, especially major ones (or ones where the edit is likely to be disputed, is being disputed, is a dispute, or may invite questions or confusion). [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 18:50, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

== Correct ref names ==

Hello General Clank, I noticed that for the "ref name" of citations, you have been using numbers like ":5", ":22", etc. This actually goes against the best practices of our wiki, where ref names are supposed to refer to the source in some way, whether in abbreviated form, fully typed out, etc. For example, the ref name for the citation to the novelization of ''Assassin's Creed Odyssey'' could be "novel", but it should not be ":22" as ":22" cannot be easily recognized as the citation for the novel by other editors who may work on the article. [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 01:08, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
:From what I can tell, Sol, this numbered system is a feature when reusing any reference through the visual editor, which is how Gen. Clank has done basically all of their edits. The source editor style, such as that used when editing talk pages, allows for fully typing ref names, e.g. <nowiki><ref name="TheWayTheWindBlows"/></nowiki>. – [[User:Darman36|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 04:00, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
::Oh, I had no idea this was the result of the visual editor. Thanks for letting me know! [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 05:31, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

== Status of legendary Assassins ==

Hello General Clank, I noticed your edits on the "[[Iltani]]" and "[[Wei Yu]]" pages and thought you should be informed that our community actually came together years back for an [https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/f/p/3795521403617287038 extensive discussion] about how we write about the legendary Assassins of the Sanctuary given ''Assassin's Creed: Origins''{{'}}s retcon. The result of our deliberations was to continue treating the status afforded to these figures by the Italian Assassins as factual in-universe. That is to say, ''Origins'' showing that the actual organization wasn't founded until much later than we expected doesn't mean what we see in ''AC2'' about how they're remembered is false. I see in your edits that you may have already caught a little wind of this, but we're still bit precise about the wording. To be exact, no source ever explicitly said that "Iltani is no longer considered a proper Assassin"; this is just our own inference from ''Origin''{{'}}s retcon about when the Assassins were founded. So we're trying to carefully avoid such language, especially in light of the fact that a couple of works like ''Mirage'' and ''Dynasty'' also now imply a soft retcon in the other direction back. [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 00:36, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

==Forgotten Temple pics==
Hello Gen. Clank,<br>I see you've recently uploaded a fair number of images from ''Forgotten Temple'' to the wiki. While your efforts are applauded, I'd like to advise you that just citing as <nowiki>{{Fairuse}}</nowiki> is not enough. Image categories like <nowiki>[[Category:Edward Kenway/Images]]</nowiki> are also missing. {{ImgVio}} – [[User:Darman36|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 01:40, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
:Thank you for sourcing the old pics and continuing to do so for the current ones. Great job here, may I add! If I may add one critique, when sourcing them, you tend to have all the infobox parameters as a continuous line of code, as such:<br><nowiki>{{Information
|attention=|description=|source=|author=|filespecs=|licensing=}}</nowiki> To make it easier for reading, could you please. separate them line-by-line as shown in the Special:Upload page? It should look like this:<br>
<pre>
{{Information
|attention=
|description=
|source=
|author=
|filespecs=
|licensing=
}}
[Relevant categories]</pre>
:That's all. Thanks, and keep up the image work, it really helps! – [[User:Darman36|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 16:15, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

==Page expansion==
Hello Gen. Clank,<br>Thanks for the page expansions you've done so far! I notice, though, that you always link every instance of main media in the references. For example, a section would look like this:
<pre>
This is the first sentence.<ref>''[[Assassin's Creed II]]'' – [[Memory 1]]</ref> A second sentence followed,<ref>''Assassin's Creed II'' – [[Database entry]]</ref> with an additional clause afterwards.<ref>''Assassin's Creed II'' – [[Memory 2]]</ref>
</pre>
and every instance of ''Assassin's Creed II'' etc. would be made a page link, even if it have been already linked once before. Why are you always adding it? Is it a new standard the site is using? I was under the impression that the refs were fine before when just italicized so long as the original media was linked minimum once> In my view, it seems redundant to always link the media especially if entire sections, or even whole pages, are all from one game/book. – [[User:Darman36|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 16:15, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
:I remember a couple of months back someone went over some of the pages I edited to "fix" the references by doing exactly this. And I've seen it done on a few other article as well. I'd tell who was it and what articles it was on, but considering how many edits I've done, it would take a while to find. So yeah, I pretty much assumed this was a new standard and started applying it wherever I could. And, to give you my perspective, I think it's better this way. Maybe it's not necessary for all pages, especially those that use references from a single source, but if it's an article with 100+ references and most of them are from different sources, maybe someone wants to see where a specific reference is from, but only the secondary source is linked, so now they have to search for the first instance of the main source being linked. So basically I think this is a more productive way of doing references, even if it wasn't originally my idea. But I'm open to discussion if you disagree. – [[User:Gener4l Cl4ank4]] 16:45, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
::There isn't ''really'' a standard to follow for this. I asked Sol a similar question a while ago and he said it doesn't matter whether or not all subsequent media are linked so long as individual editors are consistent in their work (so, some pages have every main media linked while others won't because different people did their own ways), though I can certainly see your argument for large pages like characters and certain timeline events. – [[User:Darman36|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 05:45, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
:::Hey guys, I've been adding links to all refs I find as I thought it was the standard too. I was just gonna continue doing so until someone told me different. [[User:VilkaIsBack|VilkaIsBack]] ([[User talk:VilkaIsBack|talk]]) 00:20, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
::::Saw your edit on Charles Lee's page and it reminded me you were open to discussion. While I can understand that you linking every main source is how you go about editing, when I had said that "so long as individual editors are consistent in their work", I meant consistent in your edits separate from how the page appeared. I apologize for being unclear. As in, you do your work in your style and generally leave other stuff as-is—although, this is at user discretion and I admit that I've been guilty of breaking this. As you could tell, 90% of all the info on Charles is from one game, with mere passing mentions in other media. The page isn't particularly large, either, with fewer than 30 refs, nowhere near the +100 you had mentioned earlier. – [[User:Darman36|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 00:05, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
Just a quick note, I've seen that you tend to fully write out memory refnames if they're either abbreviated (eg. refname="Tinker" for "Tinker Sailor Soldier Spy") or have no spaces (eg. refname="InBoccaAlLupo" for "In Bocca al Lupo"). Is there a reason you do this? Just curious. You don't need to, since they already have a refname to go by that shortens a long name or is simply formatted differently. If anything, some of the Ezio memories admittedly need it more than others, as the protocol in site's early days was to use acronyms for memories, which is pretty unclear years later. – [[User:Darman36|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 02:55, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
:Just to clarify, there was never an early protocol to use acronyms for memories, only for mainline games, which are the only sources with mandated refname forms (e.g. ''Assassin's Creed II'' should always be "AC2"). In fact, since we started citing more narrowly to memories, writing out the memory name for refname has been considered better practice but by no means required. As long as the refname indicates the source in some way, editors have freedom what term they use that is convenient to them. [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 04:27, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

==Assassin branches==
While your work expanding the various Assassin branches is commendable and much appreciated, I caution against suggesting that the Protectors of Persia, the Persian Assassins, the Alamut Hidden Ones, and the Levantine Assassins are separate entities. We are unclear where the delineation between them exists—if any—and (to my knowledge, at least) Ubisoft has not said one way or another whether there indeed is a line of succession from one to the next or if these are all different names for the same group that operated in the Middle East. – [[User:Darman36|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 18:15, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

== Alt text ==

Hi Gener4l Cl4nk4, I noticed that you removed the alt text from the image on the [[Ferris Ironworks]] page. Why was this? As far as I can tell, alt text isn't required, but there are no rules against it either.--[[User:Fielran|Fielran]] ([[User talk:Fielran|talk]]) 23:46, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

== Small thank you ==

I didn't know a better way to contact you but I wanted to thank you for your contribution to the [[Modern times|Modern Times]] page as it needed a huge make-over, I sincerely mean it when I say I couldn't have done a better job so again thanks! - [[User:FalconBrowser|FalconBrowser]] 13:45, 22-5-2024 (UTC)

== Quote attribution ==

Clanker, a quote attribution's purpose is to give the speaker of the quote. It is not a description of the whole situation behind the quote. This is the default format. It is just like any typical quote with a "— speaker" at the end. We provide further context to the quote only when necessary to understand it.

I've noticed in your edits that you often approach it from the other way around. You write a more descriptive context for quotes, sometimes even revising a previous attribution to be longer, and then rarely simplify the information. A lot of times the context you add isn't needed because it is already clear from the quote itself, and you're therefore just paraphrasing part of the quote's content in the attribution, creating a redundancy. An attribution is meant to be short and concise, by default just the name of the speaker and a date.

I don't know if you have a habit of reading edit summaries, but I have reminded you and Darman of this at least three times in edit summaries already. Please begin to listen. [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 16:19, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

==Big thank you==
I don't think I've told you before, but just want to thank you for your dedication over the past while in updating all the Forgotten Temple issues and respective character/event pages as the series continues its live releases. It's been great reading over all your work! Bet you can't wait for this project of yours to finally end lol. – [[User:Darman36|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 15:10, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
:Of course, someone had to do it, so I might as well (Because no one else will!). And while yes it will be relieving not to have to do this every week, it will also be sad because it means this great story will be over. But there is one more year until then, so I'll definetely keep busy in the meantime. And it's always great to see my work be appreciated, so thanks for that (and also for reminding me talk pages exist lol). ❤️ – [[User:Gener4l Cl4ank4]] ([[User talk:Gener4l Cl4ank4|Talk]]) 15:23, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

== Incomplete Shadows memories that I need help in finishing ==

*[[A Chance Encounter]]
*[[Temple Stories]]
*[[Restless Spirits]]
*[[The Lost Envoys]]
*[[Darkness Falls]]
*[[The Peasant Who Would Be King]]
*[[Topple the Traitor]]
*[[Story of a Samurai]]
*[[Story of a Young Boy]]
*[[Story of a Shinobi]]
*[[Out of the Shadows]]
[[User:MrWii000|MrWii000]] ([[User talk:MrWii000|talk]]) 23:32, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

:I appreciate you reaching out to me for this and I'd love to help (when I have more free time, which is a luxury I can't afford rn), but considering I haven't even reached the halfway point of ''Shadows'' yet (I took a break from the game several months ago cuz the side "content" grind was killing me), I don't think I'm the most qualified for this. – [[User:Gener4l Cl4ank4|Gener4l Cl4ank4]] 23:37, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

::Well...just let me know when you ''have'' finished the game, okay? [[User:MrWii000|MrWii000]] ([[User talk:MrWii000|talk]]) 18:25, 3 September 2025 (UTC)

==Minor edits==
Just a quick note, I see that a number of your recent edits to various ''Shadows''-related pages—which are much appreciated, by the way—are no more than adding/removing a handful of bytes, excluding any entire page rewrites that happen to still amount to the original byte count. Seeing as you're more familiar with Source Mode edits now, if you could please check the "This is a minor edit" box in the left corner when saving, it'd be appreciated. Otherwise the system logs it as a "major" edit. Thanks, – [[User:Darman36|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 15:00, 4 September 2025 (UTC)