Talk:Veil

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Propose Delete

Considering "The Veil" is only a part of a mad monk's ranting and not an actual location, I propose we delete. If we do not delete, it should be heavily rewritten and renamed the "Veil between worlds" or "The Veil", though it still seems way to vague to have a page on it.BearticWiki (talk) 17:48, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

I fail to see the difference between this and Eivor's many other hallucinations, which do not get individual pages. My vote is for deletion. - Soranin (talk) 17:58, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

But Eivor finds there the solution to the mystery of the ship. This may be an analogue of Tartarus Rifts, and not just a hallucination.

In addition, there is an arena where she fights enemies under a potion.

I can write more about the arena of Balor. 012345678901111aaaa (talk) 15:39, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

The Tartarus Rifts were part of a simulation, and even if they weren't, that's speculation. - Soranin (talk) 15:58, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

So why can't you write about this location? 012345678901111aaaa (talk) 13:02, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Cause most, if not all, of this article is speculation. - Soranin (talk) 13:40, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Why speculation? There are 3 quests going on at this location. 012345678901111aaaa (talk) 08:28, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Again, as has been said, this "place" was a drug-induced hallucination. While Eivor also has visions in the region of Hugrheim, those were simulated by the Piece of Eden called Freya's medallion, similar in style to the "Tyranny of King Washington" alternate timeline made by the 3rd Apple of Eden.

Also, Balor's arena is not the same as Dún Bhaloir. One is a vision of a standing stone circle presented in the game map as being in central Ireland, and the other is a rocky spur hundreds of kilometers away near Tory Island off Ireland's northernmost shore. – Darman (talk) 09:00, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

But on this fandom there are articles about the worlds from the Curse of the Pharaohs. This is the same. And I'm going to write about the locations of the battle with Balor and the battle with Apep from Origins. —unsigned comment by 012345678901111aaaa (talk · contr) 12:39, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

No, this is not the same. As both Speak00790 and Lacrossedeamon said in the extensive Discussions thread you've posted in, the reason why we have pages on Aaru and the Duat are because those are places from the Egyptian afterlife recorded in real-world texts like the Book of the Dead, while Aten and Heb Sed are Apple-simulated areas with no mythical equivalent built using elements from Bayek's cultural upbringing. This Veil, while extremely loosely inspired by themes of the Celtic Otherworld, has no ties to the afterlife is usually associated with and again is from a drug-induced state.

I would hold off on writing about Balor's arena for the reason I gave above regarding geography, and because both it and the Apep cave are also the result of taking psychoactive drugs. – Darman (talk) 15:10, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

1. Balor is a creature of the Isu era, it is written about him in the article.
2. Veil - in it, Eivor mysteriously learns the story of a warrior. HOW, if this is supposedly a hallucination according to you.
3. How did the woman feel better after the battle with Apep if it was just a hallucination? 012345678901111aaaa (talk) 19:48, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

1. Yes, Balor is from the Isu era (still think we should mark him as an Isu), but the vision location we have no idea about.
2. Eivor has figured out a lot through drugs, but we technically don't know if any of what she saw was true.
3. Medicinal drugs have been used for thousands of years to stop pregnancy pains, it was probably just that. BearticWiki (talk) 20:35, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

And to add to BearticWiki's last point, we only know Bayek saw Apep in his drugged state. We've no idea whether Taimhotep also saw it, or what her experience was at all. The battle was symbolic of what the ritual was meant for and did not really happen. – Darman (talk) 01:55, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

What is the name of the location where the battle with Apep takes place? And where is it on the map? 012345678901111aaaa (talk) 09:59, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Bayek believes it is the Duat, but the game never has any hieroglyphic effects on discovering it like for Alexandria, Memphis, etc. I don't think it appears on the map, but I'm not sure, as I don't own Origins and have not found walkthrough footage where someone tries to view the map. However, I feel we are getting sidetracked when the topic is whether we feel this veil Eivor supposedly visits is valid enough a location to warrant a page. – Darman (talk) 14:20, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

1) Why can't it be suitable? In extreme cases, you can write that it is possible, this may be a hallucination.

2) Maybe write about Apep's location in an article about Duat? 012345678901111aaaa (talk) 20:15, 14 February 2022 (UTC)