Talk:Staves of Eden

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I think that there had to be multiple Staffs, like that there were multiple Apples. Look at these two pictures:

• The Staff used by popes.
  The Staff used by popes.
• The Staff used by tsars.
  The Staff used by tsars.

See the difference between the two? -- Master Sima Yi 05:33, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Yes but are you sure that is the Staff they are looking for? I mean we did see the Staff from ACII and Brotherhood also on the comic covers. --Altaïr 09:53, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Oh yeah, that's right. But yes, that is the Staff. It's the same Staff that is seen wielded by Nicholas II of Russia in the Glyphs. Maybe it can change shape or something. -- Master Sima Yi 12:57, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

maybe it's just something the artists of the comic forgot to have a look at. Rossko 12:59, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think the artists would make such a big mistake. And again, in the Glyph sequences, the Staff also appears like that in Tsar Nicholas II's picture. -- Master Sima Yi 13:00, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

i suppose the staff tranforming could work. Maybe it alters it's appearance to suit the time period.

forgot sig. --Rossko 13:02, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

• I doubt that. It is more likely that the "staff" is in actuality, just the long, straight part; over time it was decorated in a variety of different ways to make them all look distinct. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 13:14, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

But how come it looks like that in the picture with Tsar Alexander III, then it looks like its AC II look again on the cover of AC: The Fall's second issue? -- Master Sima Yi 13:15, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Exactly what I was thinking. --Rossko 13:17, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

woo 22,000th edit!

Like I said, I don't think that is the staff... I think they got the wrong one there in that second picture. -- Altaïr 15:20, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

It is the Staff. Remember the Glyph in which you had to search for the Staff in the picture of Tsar Nicholas II? That was this one:

That's the same Staff that Tsar Alexander III is holding in the picture on top of the page. -- Master Sima Yi 15:35, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

The staff is something created, not a magical piece of equipment found in a meteor. There could be hundreds of them. So if we see a different staff, we assume it's a new one, not the old one transformed by alchemy or something. -- D. Cello 16:07, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

If we're going to go with there being more than one Staff, then this article needs to indicate it was destroyed by Tesla (as per ACII glyphs), and a new one needs to be created for the second staff. Although personally, I'm still of the opinion they are one and the same. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 17:38, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

The Czar came before or after the Tunguska incident? If before, then it's tottaly possible it is the same. But since the staff appeared, in the comics, maybe they will explain what happened to it, no? -- D. Cello 19:09, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

It actually makes sense for their to be more than one Staff. As we know, the Staff and the Apple can fit together to form a single, more powerful device; there are at least five apples… Also, Nicholas II was Tsar from 1894 up until his death in 1917; however, having looked over the glyphs again, I noticed that the PoE destroyed by Tesla was one of the Apples, and not the Staff. This suggests that there was only one staff, which means that the Staff underwent cosmetic changes between it being owned by the Popes, and it passing into the hands of the Tsars. We know the staff how the Staff looked at the time Orelov got his hands on it, so I think it's likel;y that Nicholas II got the Staff back, and attempted to disguise it somewhat. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 11:58, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

If everyone will take notice, I'd like to point out that there appear to be two different versions of the Apple in AC2 as well. Given that, the shape-shifting theory makes more sense to me, weird as the concept may seem. 98.192.42.30 23:22, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

Well, looks like the cover of The Fall, Part II has been changed to portray the Staff as it looks within the comic. So it seems Orelov is only dealing with one Piece of Eden. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 01:44, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but i dont' buy the whole PoE shape shifting theory. We see the Papal Staff decend into the Vault in the beginning of AC:B and we can assume that's where it remains. We never see Rodrigo holding the staff again and unless the russian Tsar marched into the Vatican and some how found out how to get the staff out of that hole in the floor i don't see how they can be one and the same. Jedted 20:55, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

The Fall #2 confirms they are one and the same. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 19:10, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

How so? Unfortunately, I haven't had the privilege of reading the comic yet. :( Subject One 20:24, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

They are the same staff because when Nikolai are about to touch the staff, it quoted Rodigo Borgia when he was fighting as the Pope against Ezio. It quoted "Always the Fighter, Just like you Father". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVo03ytw9Lo

Although i do not understand how the templars got it when it was locked beneath the vault

I was just wondering whilst looking at this, if it can change what things happen in peoples minds, why can't it change it's apperance, in peoples minds, presumably, it probably looks like a long pole, with same texture as an apple of eden, but the owner changes what everyone assumes it looks like, the Apple of Eden, that Elizabeth I had, i beleive did this same thing. Just a thought that probably no one will read for awhile Bobemor 12:39, August 14, 2011 (UTC)

I think that there are two possibilities, either the staff shown in the first picture is different from all those shown in all the other pictures, and there are in fact multiple staffs, or the staff is a single object, remember the staff that Moses uses, its simple and straight, no decorations, and the staff can change form. RomanEagle 19:56, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, but it also quotes Adam and Eve, and as far as we know, the Staff wasn't present in the "Truth" video scene. Subject One 08:56, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Other powers

I don't think it only controls minds. If it did then how did Rodrigo become invisible and paralyze Ezio. He is immune to PoE mind control since he is a descendant of TWCB. Perhaps it has more powers than simply illusions/mind control. Though this has nothing to do with the staff it happens in the same confrontation. While ezio is paralyzed he is stabbed in the abdomen and left to die. a little while later he gets up like everyting is fane and goes to kick Rodrigo's ass. do the "true" assassins also get an extra endurance factor in addition to the eagle vision from their lineage? The Eagle1701 17:50, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

He got up because he was wearing Altaïr's Armour, that protected him from severe harm. He himself says so in ACBH to Mario.--Nisheeth (Leave message)-- 19:15, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

Source of spelling of "sceptre"

Although the general policy is to use US English spelling on articles, the official website Moscow Kremlin Museum (src) specifically spells it "sceptre", which is a part of it's official name. I've change the article to reflect this; I've put the source here as I didn't really want to clog up the introduction with a source for a spelling. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 11:11, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

King Washington

George Washington wields one of these sceptres along with an Apple of Eden in the DLC. Should a picture be included? 142.26.194.189 17:59, February 22, 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps, but there is no explanation at all as to how George has procured a Sceptre/Staff. The Glyphs in AC2 only ever show him with an Apple, and for all we know, it could just be an ornamental housing for just the Apple. Slate Vesper (talk) 18:03, February 22, 2013 (UTC)

Hermes' Staff

Should we make note of the Staff held by Hermes Trismegistus? It seems like a staff of Eden to me. The Wikia Editor (talk) 21:49, December 9, 2015 (UTC)

I agree with that DipsonDP (talk) 21:08, December 9, 2015 (UTC)

I'm a bit iffy on calling it a Staff of Eden, since I don't think it is outright confirmed to be one. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 21:26, December 9, 2015 (UTC)

Multiple Staves?

I've seen the fifth glyph in ACII and it describes the Staff wielded by John the Baptist, Alexander the Great, Shabataka, Saint Peter and Moses as the same: PIECE OF EDEN 34. Even the eighth glyph points the Imperial Sceptre (aka Staff of Eden 2) as the PoE 34. So, why don't we include that in the article? There is any clue in the franchise that rejects this point, apart from the appearance? Miracle guy (talk) 23:55, September 11, 2017 (UTC)

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Alexander the Great's Staff

According to AC Origins, his staff was laid with his body in the tomb in Alexandria. Yet this article suggests that Iltani took the Staff. 

Additionally, we should mention that the staff (and Bayek's Apple) would open the Siwan Vault Divewinds (talk) 13:21, November 4, 2017 (UTC)