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The identity of He Shi

The latest manhua has shown that the female Hidden One appeared in Central Asia was not the same person as He Shi. 一个赛艇门 (talk) 16:13, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I read it today and was initially confused by that. Thank you for being prompt in updating it. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 06:17, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

There is another evidence that they were not the same person. In chapter 5, the Hidden One clled Li E Tamghaj, the term used by the Central Asian people towards people of the Tang Dynasty. This name has already denied the possibility that she was the Hongxian. By the way, I don't think Li E's vision is similar to Bayek's or the Eagle Bearer's Eagle Vision. This kind of writing technique, which we called YiXiang(意象), or imagery in English. the eagle appeared in this scene, in my opinion, is just a symbol of the creed, fighting for freedom or, a kind of "Helping the world for the people", a common people-oriented ideology in ancient China. Although there are multiple interpretations in some scenes, I insist that there is still no need of over interpreted for what the author doesn't mention. As I have mentioned, there is a information gap between audience groups of two language versions, not only the superficial information, what we could do is fill it by more intercultural communication, instead of a single thought. 一个赛艇门 (talk) 07:07, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps you can explain something to me then, for I also interpreted it as eagle vision. On the pair of pages number 9, it shows Li E high atop a building, so high up that the people on the ground are rendered as dots. Yet, on the next pair of pages (marked '10') it focuses a panel on his eye and the next on the people, close enough for their faces to be distinct. In any medium this would symbolize that the character can see them in this particular way. Given what we know about this franchise as a whole, the simplest most plausible explanation is 'he has eagle vision' and that was my interpretation. On the pair of pages marked '12' this is reinforced, with another zoom of the characters on the ground, yet instead of focusing on Li E's eye it focuses on the eagle's eye in the panel preceding it. - Soranin (talk) 17:46, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

To be honest, this question about whether Li E uses Eagle Vision or not should have been raised in the talk page of "Li E" instead as that is where the content in dispute is. This is off-topic in regards to "He Shi's identity", but onto the actual question, is not calling this scene 意象 or imagery too broad or vague? Imagery can be used at the same time as depicting Li E utilizing Eagle Vision although I recognize you did say that it is open to interpretation and that your main cause of dispute is that you don't believe there is strong enough evidence that it is Eagle Vision and not only imagery.

Actually, my initial interpretation was not that it was Eagle Vision. However, on further readings, I find the evidence compelling in the context of Assassin's Creed. Had this not been Assassin's Creed after the release of Origins and Odyssey, I would have thought it was only imagery or that the idea Li E used Eagle Vision here is too speculative, but we need to take the context into account.

Li E is on a rooftop surveying the palace grounds and the crowd below from afar. There are flashes of Aliana asking if he can "hear those sounds" while the "camera" focuses in on his eye and what he sees. The following panels is a flashback of Aliana providing him instruction to attune his senses even though this is situated in the context of an ideological lesson as well. He closes his eyes to concentrate, as does she and these panels are interspersed by the scene of an eagle soaring through the sky. The scene fades back into the present, with the eagle still soaring in the sky, high overhead. We are returned to a broad, sweeping view of the palace grounds that suddenly zooms in and homes in on the relevant gateway where Li E would make his escape. The "camera" lingers one last time for a moment at the eagle's eye. It flies away just as a shot of the carriage by which Li E targets for his escape is revealed.

The way this entire scene pans out, the symbolism of a free eagle aside, makes it quite self-evident that it is Eagle Vision at play. It is especially the emphasis on him attuning his senses while his scouting is interspersed with the eagle soaring over that very environment and the panels' focus on their eyes that makes this far more than mere speculation. I am not dismissing the "fighting for freedom and people" messaging of the scene that is also self-evident, but I believe the creativity here is the authors' melding of that with the scene of Eagle Vision; the two subject matters are present simultaneously. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 19:14, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Alright. Eagle Vision is not an important issue in the manhua, I thought it was a kind of Eagle Vision that similar to Ezio's or Arno's. Maybe I could ask Xu Xianzhe the answer about this when I have the chance. 一个赛艇门 (talk) 01:50, 1 January 2021 (UTC)