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Julius Caesar and the Apple of Eden[edit source]

I suspected that Julius Caesar may have been in possetion of one of the Apples of Eden (maybe even the one that ended up in Solomon's Temple). It has been established that those who possessed one of the Apples gains great power and this would discribe Caesar's rise to creator of the Roman Empire. His assassination at the hands of Marcus Junius Brutus may even explain how Brutus was able to creat unbreakable armor centuries before Altaïr. Tripodssj6 23:19, January 11, 2011 (UTC) Sorry I forgot to sign it earlier

SIGN YOUR POSTS. Discussing this is okay, as long as you don't put it on the article. Speculation is not allowed and will get you banned. Besides, Brutus already had the armor before he killed Caesar, as he said something like "perhaps you can use it for a similar tragic purpose". "It" referring to the armor, "tragic purpose" referring to the assassination. -- Master Sima Yi 20:22, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

Templar?[edit source]

I don't believe it's been stated anywhere that Caesar was a Templar. AC2 is listed as a reference, but Caesar is never even mentioned in that. It only shows that there were Templars among the Romans involved in Jesus' crucifixion. 98.192.42.30 17:05, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

You have to make links. The AC2 Glyphs at one point shows the SPQR logo, with the Templar logo in the background, thus saying that the SPQR was a Templar organization. Caesar created the SPQR. -- Master Sima Yi 17:07, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
Caesar did not create SPQR. SPQR was a term used for the entire Roman government since the early days of the republic. It far predated and outlast Caesar. So there is really no proof Caesar was a Templar. For all we know they didn't start until the Empire did. It is speculation at this point. Vaxis7 00:26, March 25, 2011 (UTC)
SPQR was not created by Ceaser and it Stands for "The Senate and People of Rome" and its founding is still unknown but historians are certain it was created when Rome became a Republic ans under the Monarchy there was no Senate. Chaos0vt

I believe the kingdom was split between Octavious and Antony? Not just octavious...(would this be a good edit to make, or no?)Lost Fragment (talk) 01:17, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

Templar allies vs. Templar puppets[edit source]

Hello everyone, I'm just copy-pasting on individual talk pages a question I posted on the Templars article talk which did not get any response.

I noticed (just to stick to 5 out of 6 Assassin Seals targets plus Julius Caesar, as examples) that:

So my question is: where does this piece of information come from? How do we know that the formers were mere Templar-manipulated pawns with little or no personal power, or perhaps were not even aware of being under Templar influence (!), while the latters were able to treat with the Order on an equal position? Is it sourced, or simple speculation? I'd really appreciate any answer. --Piero.schiavone1994 (talk) 21:33, December 14, 2016 (UTC)

Confusing profile picture[edit source]

I know that the profile picture is a painting of Julius Caesar with Cleopatra painted by Jean-Léon Gérôme, however, without a caption, a reader might be totally confused. The painting is centered entirely on Cleopatra with Julius Caesar only in the background. I would disagree that it's ever an appropriate profile picture for him at all even if he's in it. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 21:22, May 30, 2017 (UTC)

I agree completely. There's also the fact that this particular image doesn't, to my knowledge, even appear in any canon materials. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 12:59, May 31, 2017 (UTC)
The painting appears in the Abstergo Files, I do, however, agree with Sol Pacificus that it's not a particularly good profile picture of Julius Caesar. The Wikia Editor (talk) 16:40, May 31, 2017 (UTC)
I've had to face the very same problem when adding infoboxes to different characters. In some cases, the only viable option that occurred to me was to crop images which weren't centered on the character, in order to create a new picture which was focused on our person of interest. This was done to Pythagoras, Rinaldo Vitturi, and the Assassin Medic. I planned to do the same for Antonin Scalia, but sadly I thought the result wasn't good enough because of the pic quality (I even looked for the very same picture with better resolution on the Internet, with no success), and I desisted.
While I do think this is the only possible solution, I do agree the outcome isn't always brilliant. I would appreciate your opinions on the matter. --Piero.schiavone1994 (talk) 16:39, May 31, 2017 (UTC)
The current option of using the full painting is definitely not acceptable, I think. We should either crop it, find a better image used in an AC source, or just not have a profile image. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 17:50, May 31, 2017 (UTC)
Thing is, the image does have a caption but the 'desc' field in the infobox doesn't seem to display on pages anymore? (Although, for me, as this is an image of a painting, it shouldn't be in the infobox.) Aaaand looking at the phone display, Caesar is obscured by his own name. Brilliant. Vetinari(Appointment) 18:03, May 31, 2017 (UTC)

Affiliation with the Order of the Ancients[edit source]

Some pages have yet to be updated fully or at all, so I just want to ask to make it clear: what was Caesar's offical offiliation with the Order of the Ancients? Was he a puppet? Was he an ally? Or was he a member and then leader? So may confusing things an contradictions on multiple pages, I just want it made clear. SkyGuy-Let's chat! 02:46, November 22, 2017 (UTC)

What evidence proof that Caesar is one of the Order? User: A.gao.96  14:49, February 3, 2018 (UTC)

The actual main game's ending leaves things ambiguous, but already seems to imply that Caesar is the Order's leader when Aya says he's now the king of the order, and Septimius calls him the father of understanding. During his death scene when all the members of the Ancients appear behind Rufio, he says that Caesar built a strong order. -- Master Sima Yi Talk 10:42, February 3, 2018 (UTC)

Rufio said that Caesar built a strong order before he was stabbed in the back by your cowardly wife. This order does not mean an organization. It mean that Templars pursue the things: order.

His name isn't display on target list at Assassin's Creed Origins meau. Every member of the Order display on target list at Assassin's Creed Origins meau.  User: A.gao.96  19:42, February 3, 2018 (UTC)

I disagree. "Built a strong order" more likely seems to refer to an organization or a group itself rather than bringing "order". Also, just because his name isn't on the target list doesn't mean his not a member, if not leader, of the Order itself. The dialogue already does seem to point out his affiliations. XOdeyssusx (talk) 13:01, February 3, 2018 (UTC)

One does not commonly refer to "an order" when talking about order as in stability. -- Master Sima Yi Talk 16:25, February 3, 2018 (UTC)

If Rufio said to "build a strong order"and Aya says "Caesar is now the king of the order", they emphasized that the order is an organization or a group.It should be used capital letter with "Order" and written that "Caesar built a strong Order before he was stabbed in the back by your cowardly wife." and "Caesar now the king of the Order." The capital and lower case letter with "order" have different meanings. The capital letter with "Order" refer to an organization or a group. The lower case letter  with "order"  refer to stability.  User: A.gao.96 11:33, February 4, 2018 (UTC)

Are you questioning whether "So Caesar is king of the order now?" refers to the Order of the Ancients? Because in the context of the conversation, there is zero way that can refer to anything else. As you may notice there, for whatever reason the word 'king' is spelled with a capital K in the subtitles while the o in 'order' isn't and should show that this by no means holds any sway in the discussion. The subtitles aren't a literary masterpiece. -- Master Sima Yi Talk 20:15, February 4, 2018 (UTC)


I'd not trust 100% in the subtitles since a lot of mistakes has been seen. We must have in mind what the game actually shows us using the context of the situation:

When Rufio stands before Bayek in the memory corridor, other members of The Order appears. "Caesar built a strong order", this isn't a coincidence. He refers to the Order of Ancients, Caesar made some changes that allow The Order to be stronger than before, and perpetual. Maybe this is why Septimius said that Caesar was "The Father of Understanding". Maybe this name isn't a title, but an attribution. Septimius said that like he was worshiping him.

Now, why Caesar doesn't appear in the targets menu? Because he wasn't Bayek's target, he never was (and by that time, Caesar wasn't involved with The Order) We could also say that from the targets from THO, they don't appear either (because it wasn't written in the code of the game).

Having Septimius saying that and the end of Rufio, he could assume that Caesar made something for The Order, and for him to do that, he must be a member of it. Cristophorus35 (talk) 01:09, February 5, 2018 (UTC)

Or  Caesar assist the Order to build a strong stability. Rufio and Septimius appreciated or worshiped him to make something for the stability and defined him to build a stong stability basis. So Rufio and Septimius think that he is the Father of Understanding. Caesar was never join the Order. If some figure assist Templars or the Order of the Ancients to achieve their purpose, we said " he must be one of them"?
Are you sure 100% in the subtitles a lot of mistakes? Or the subtitles was other meanings, you wrong to understand 100% meanings?
For example: If Assassin's Creed take place in Qin dynasty, Assassin assassinate the member of secret organization which is similar Order of the Ancients and Templar Order, he said "Qin Shi Huang was foundation of the order." It does mean Qin Shi Huang is founder of this secret organization?
On the other side,this secret organization seemingly esisted and assisted King Zhou of Shang (a tyrant and the last king of Shang dynasty) to ruled the China during Shang dynasty, as Stone tablet, issued in 1046 BCE, contained sensitive information concerning  this secret organization.  User: A.gao.96 11:33, February 4, 2018 (UTC)


Again, for him to do such reforms, he must be a member of the organization. Caesar must have known all the Order's secrets and strategies to change it. Let's not forget that the Glyphs in ACII says that Cleopatra had stronger connections with the Templar Order (The Order of Ancients) and that started when she allied herself with Julius Caesar. From that, we can assume that Caesar came into contact with them. If Septimius worshipped him and Rufio spoke for him, it means that Caesar was not just an ally, but a member.

And yes, subtitles can contain a lot of mistakes. Especially Rogue, the translation to Latinamerican Spanish is just awful.

Now, speaking of your example. No, that doesn't mean Qin Shi Huang was the founder of such order. We can assume as much that he was a member of that organization. The difference is this: in the case of Qin Shi Huang, we have no proof. But here, with Caesar, we have some hints (the ones I mentioned above).Cristophorus35 (talk) 02:18, February 6, 2018 (UTC)

A.gao.96, at this point you're arguing implausible semantics, which nobody else here has agreed with thus far. There have now not just been one but two major indications that Caesar led the Order in the years leading up to his death, and you're willing to throw them away because of these implausible semantics. At this point everyone else agrees that this is the hand we've been dealt. Maybe you turn out to be right, but everyone else participating in this discussion and Jasca Ducato have agreed that based on the in-game dialogue we do not agree. Let's leave it at this for now, and maybe in the future evidence to the contrary will show itself. -- Master Sima Yi Talk 11:00, February 6, 2018 (UTC)

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