Talk:Ezio's Apple of Eden

Who is Neutral?

I took out Napoleon and Houdini, seeing as the Glyphs puzzles indicate that is the First Apple? I also took out Abel and Cain and "Adam" and "Eve". For the former, do we know for sure its the same Apple that Cain killed Abel for? Does the corresponding Glyph puzzle indicate anything? For the latter, I'm inclined to put them in the Assassin category. If not, it should at least be debateable (if it //is// the same Apple, although I'm inclined to agree because the only Apple you actually see is //this// Apple), because the current (and probably correct) theory is that Adam and Eve are one of the progenitors of the Assassins. Thoughts? -- A Black Rabbit 23:42, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

What the hell!?

• Where the hell has this come from? --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 11:11, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Seeing as the Apple held by Altaïr and Ezio is clearly not the First Apple, nor any of the other ones, we had to make a different article for that one. So we made it into "Sixth Apple". Though let us now if you have a better suggestion. :) -- Master Sima Yi 13:58, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

The apple ezio and altair use, has been buried under the colloseum for 500 years: from where ezio left it untill desmond picked it up. Therefore, i can not have been used throughout history like the glyphs tend to tell. So the apple that desmond finds, can not be nr.1, 2,3,4 or 5. So there has to be at least one extra, what we call the sixth. Also remember the map at the end of ACI, that showed many more pieces of eden

EXistenZ! 14:34, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

The term "Sixth Apple" is effectively a fandom chosen name, however not necessarily an inaccurate one. As it's already been stated why, unless this is a huge error on Ubisoft's part, they have to be two separate Apples. I'm personally on the side of "this wasn't an oversight on Ubisoft's part". I suppose "Altair's" or "Ezio's" Apple would also work, but then again, a number of people have held the Apple over the years until Ezio's placement of it in the Renaissance. -- A Black Rabbit 22:58, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

I've just sent the com dev a question about the apple. I've also asked about when Shaun and Rebecca suddenly disappear in the final scene. The Eagle1701 06:44, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Add to template?

"Sixth Apple (?)" should be added to the Pieces of Eden template so that people can gain a little more clarity on the issues between PoE 1 and the in-game PoE. Also, shouldn't Crystal Skull be added as well since Project Legacy has confirmed the easter egg from AC1's email? -- Vaxis, 12:26 CST December 5 2010

I didn't at first, only because it was in the developing stages and there with issues with the pages existance (which are hopefully solved?). I can add it.. and probably begin moving over the pertenant First Apple history stuff that is more attributed to the Sixth. -- A Black Rabbit 09:03, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

Looks good. Still, what about the Crystal Skull? Though they were only alluded to in an email from AC1, Project Legacy makes it clear that at least one skull exists, and that it was a Piece of Eden. It is a confirmed PoE... so should it not be added to the template? -- Vaxis, 12:26 CST December 5 2010

If you can make, write, and reference the article, I see no issue. I'm sure if others have a problem they'll make it known when the page pops up. -- A Black Rabbit 22:41, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

Other Owners?

Could not we Assume that this "sixth apple" is rather one of the five previously mentioned as it was found in the ark of the covenant? I mean just thinking logically... doesn't that mean its the same one Moses found? I'm sure he had a numbered one... Also Al Mualim mentions Jesus used it and so did many others. Or are we gonna stick with "Sixth"?

Knilo 12:01, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

yes it is the one that was found in the temple Of jerusalem, but read again why we think that this is a sixth one. The apple was burried under the colloseum for 500 years by ezio. Hence, none of the historical figures from 1500 onwarths who used any of the pieces of eden (1 to 5), like shown in the glyphs, could have used it. therefore there must be another apple, the one used ingame. Also, moses used the staff, not an apple.

EXistenZ! 11:49, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

Yes I do know that I figured that out my self and was previously wondering how Ubisoft would explain it. I was just wondering if some other owners had it before Altair as it can't just have appeared in the ark... maybe it would be reseonable to suggest that Moses was one of the previous owners (we know he had at one point an apple of eden)?

Knilo 12:01, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

Well the glyps don't mention everybody who had a piece of eden, so i assume that there are others who had a piece (and maybe we come to know of them in future games). But it can'tbe moses for as far as we know, cause he only held the staff

EXistenZ! 11:57, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I think that you are correct in saying that... but that still leaves the question: Why the hell was it in the Ark of the covenant?

Knilo 12:00, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

Well was it really the Ark? Like altair said "there is no such thing", and we know that some religious phenomenon are derived from the pieces of Eden. It could be just a shrine, cause Jerusalem still is an important place for a lot of religious people: jews, christians and muslims.

EXistenZ! 13:35, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

I think User:Knilo meant why was it in the Ark, not that the Ark itself was the PoE. :) The answer would be because they forgot the history behind the orb, and that they thought it was the gift or presence of God. If you read about the actual Ark, you may glean some more information. The Ark is said to have contained the Commandments Moses was given by God, and placed within (and there were at times where the Presence got so much [probably the Apple being activated] that men had to leave the room) the Ark. There's also a number of other stories involving the Ark, including someone who accidentally touched it to stop his fall that got smited by God. Er.. back to my train of thought :). I just watched the end sequence, and he only says "the seas never parted, water never turned into wine". And then a bit before that, he calls the Apple "the Word of God". Which... would probably make Moses an Owner (at least from the //actual// history), but then again we don't know if Al Mualim was talking about all the PoE's in general (he probably looked into the Apple a number of times, and so must have seen it), or just the Sixth. Either way, I was under the impression that the Shroud was the only PoE Jesus had?

re: Sixth Apple naming. It's already been covered a number of times, but unless we can find another appropriate name for the article, it's probably going to stay as is. This Apple is never given a number, so it's a fandom name for the time being. :) -- A Black Rabbit 22:19, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

Continuity Error?

I swear in Assassin's Creed Lucy says Altair's Apple was destroyed in the DIA incident, while in emails it is found out that another was lost in space. Even with that, we go on to find that this is the same Apple Rodrigo Borgia took from Cyprus where Altair hid it, and the same one Ezio stole from him and supposedly hid in the Vault under the Santa Maria Aricoeli for the modern day Assassin's to find. Can we really assume that this is a Sixth Apple, or was it a continuity error? Or, is this correct and Desmond really has the First Apple, and the one destroyed in the DIA incident and used to kill Harry Houdini was the Sixth?

Thewootinater 00:24, December 10, 2010 (UTC)

You're correct, Lucy did say that the Apple destroyed in the DIA Satellite Accident was the same one as was possessed by Altair, however wth the release of Brotherhood this is clearly no longer the case. Although it has not yet been said, I believe Ubisoft will simply say that Lucy was mistaken about which Apple was destroyed: easy retcon. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 01:17, December 10, 2010 (UTC)

I totally forgot about this untill i read this article, Lucy does say the Apple found by Altair was destroyed. I geuss we can just write this off as Lucy was confused about which Apple belonged to Altair. Jedted 20:21, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

Altaïr and Ezio

Now that I'm thinking of it... it isn't said anywhere that the Apple Altaïr possessed is the same as the one Ezio had. Altaïr's Apple may very well indeed be destroyed and Ezio just had a different Apple. This seems the most plausable to me. -- Master Sima Yi 10:37, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

Well Altair buried his one on Cyprus, and the templars go to Cyprus. That's why we assume it's the same. EXistenZ! 14:45, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

No-one ever said that Ezio's Apple was retrieved from Cyprus, only that the Templars went to Cyprus to get it, and that they were significantly delayed in obtaining it.

It's possible that they didn't dig up Altair's Apple and instead met up with a courier on Cyprus who passed along a different Apple. This would then still have Altair's Apple buried on Cyprus for Abstergo to obtain and use in their satellite project, which resulted in the artifact's destruction.

It's also possible that Lucy was deliberately lying about Altair's Apple in order to throw the Templars off the trail of the Altair/Ezio Apple, identifying another Apple as the one the Templars knew Altair had used so they'd stop following Altair's timeline, discovering it's true modern day hiding place.

Of course, it's also possible that all of this was just a trick and that the Templars planted the Apple in Juno's Temple for Desmond to find, since they needed someone with the correct DNA in order to activate it. In which case the entire Animus experience Desmond has gone through has been a fake-out from the beginning.

-SirGeon Jones 12:26, September 17, 2011 (UTC)

Where is it said Altaïr buried his one on Cyprus? -- Master Sima Yi 15:08, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

I thought that it was said in a codex page, but you could be right. Maybe it's nowhere said. EXistenZ! 15:14, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

Ah yes, I just looked it up. Codex page 26. Well, the mystery still isn't solved then. :P -- Master Sima Yi 15:18, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

Kyros of Zarax Possession

Is it possible this one is the Apple Kyros of Zarax had? Sekuiya 02:47, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

Just something to think about

I just remembered that the Bible never said that the fruit Adam and Eve took from the forbidden tree was an apple. It could have been a now extinct type of fruit that no one has ever seen or a pear or orange--heck even a dragonberry. Just a thought. :D Strang3Happ3nings 17:30, July 19, 2011 (UTC)

How do we know?

Where was it said that the apple Ezio wielded was the same that Altair possessed? ShermTank7272 02:41, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

For that matter, how do we know that the Apple Ezio had at the end of Brotherhood is the same as the one he lost at the beginning of the game? After all, it exhibits different powers from the ones seen at the end of Assassin's Creed II.

-SirGeon Jones 02:26, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

Same Apple

Was this the same Apple as seen at the end of Revelations? VaniVoid97 07:33, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think so. Altair put it there 250 years ago and it was left alone until Ezio found it, but he didn't take it with him. He left it for Desmond. Ezio said, "I've seen enough for one lifetime," so he didn't want to take another artifact and see more sadness and destruction. Then he passed a message along to Desmond as he did in AC II. Strang3Happ3nings 07:38, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah the one seen at the end of Revelations is the Second Apple, the one used by Altair, Ezio used the Sixth Apple Ishimura Elite 15:46, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

The Difference

• SPOILER *WARNING SPOILER FOR ACR* SPOILER*

Actually, the apple that Desmond and Ezio held is different from the one that Altair had, as seen in ACR, he hid his apple in his library along with his body and the last key to Masyaf. After finding this, Ezio speaks to Desmond, knowing he can hear him. He tells him that he has done enough fighting for one life, proceeding to take off his hidden blades and remove his sword. I assume this is the end of the tales of Altair and Ezio, yet a new begining for Desmond. Best guess is the next game may be the final one, featuring Desmond searching/or having just found the "sixth" that Juno metioned, and then finally defeating the Templars once and for all, in the name of the Assassin's.

Name Change

Should the page be renamed Sixth Apple? You know just to keep it consistent with the other apples, and it doesn't sound right to name it just Ezio's exclusively. You know? Ishimura Elite 15:49, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

apple's side effects

the page says

Using the Apple appeared to weaken its user; it is unknown whether this was due to overuse of its powers, or of a desynchronization between Desmond's and Ezio's memories, although it is probably the former, as Desmond could make use of the Apple until, apparently, Ezio automatically stops using it

That doesn't seems to be the case though. Using the apple made Ezio weaker, to the point the fell into his knees, that's obviously the side effect of overusing the apple on Ezio, not on Desmond. 189.32.209.198 22:32, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

I think it was because Ezio didn't know how to use the apple properly, for example, Altair could use his apple constantly and he would just get a bit tired, as seen in AC: Revelations, that because he had been using it for years. 201.167.63.240 12:53, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

Templars had it first?

Didn't Templars have the apple before Ezio? as they retrieved it from Cyprus? 68.39.157.236 23:28, April 17, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, and then Ezio posed as the courier and stole it. Arcemz 23:40, April 17, 2012 (UTC)Arcemz

Stop saying Ezios full name, just say Ezio. The only time his full name is to be used is the first time he is mentioned. Someone is a little obssesed with the way it sounds and its annoying to readers

67.149.192.62 04:11, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

I don't see where that's mentioned Anon... Supreme Master Assassin^{O Mentoras} 04:23, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

Info from Reccollection

http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Ezio%27s_Apple_of_Eden#Ottoman_Empire >> "Ottoman Empire" section has a source - AC: Recollection. I've read all of Recollection articles ( http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Assassin%27s_Creed:_Recollection ) and there is no information about Cem and Mehmed II... So where is it from? Cez24 (talk) 19:31, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

I will be greatful for give me the source :) Please, help! Cez24 (talk) 15:22, September 27, 2013 (UTC)

Hallo? Please HELP!!! I reaaly need that information. Cez24 (talk) 22:40, October 2, 2013 (UTC)

Get Recollection then? I'd give the information if I knew it, but continually posting here when no-one's replied isn't going to do much but make you look needy. Slate Vesper (talk) 22:56, October 2, 2013 (UTC)

I don't have iPhone or iPad, so I can't play this game :( I hope someone will answer, someone who wrote this text... I searched walkthrought on YT, but didn't find. Cez24 (talk) 09:57, October 3, 2013 (UTC)

RENAME?

Apple of Eden 6, the name in Assassin's Creed: Graphics Spanish assassin (Talk) 13:08, November 25, 2017 (UTC)

If it's canonically verified, then yes, we should rename it. Just remember to source the name in the article. The Wikia Editor (talk) 16:05, November 25, 2017 (UTC)