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From how I perceive it, translations of landmarks are practically the same as aliases for characters, since they're interpretations of the same thing in a different language. As such, I have been taking them from their brackets and bolding them, with text such as "also known as" beforehand.

At the same time, users such as Sima and Jasca have proposed that translations have always been placed in brackets in many other databases, but I feel it ruins the flow of reading to stop for a bracket so early in the opening paragraph, so I'd like to gather together your opinions on how we should continue forward with them.

In the same vein, I like to add navboxes to articles falling under a specific game to help people unfamiliar with other parts of the mechanics or characters locate them. The problem is, if you tried to contain every element, they'd be freaking huge. Also, they can also be considered out-of-universe because they're pulling someone out of the in-universe context to showcase what game they/it comes from.

Please leave your honest thoughts below. Slate Vesper (talk) 00:49, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Vote closed by Amnestyyy on July 24, 2013.

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Bracketed translations Yay Translations in brackets in no way ruin the 'flow of reading'; who 'stops' when they see a bracket? I just continue reading. You can also just skim over a bracket. If brackets really pose such a problem, we should remove the birth and death dates from all character pages too. Translations of the same name are always put between brackets, be it for locations or for characters. That is the standard for digital databases and wikis. I see no reason as to why this should be different, and why this should be changed to 'also known as' when this just makes the opening paragraph longer than it needs to be and in no way notifiies that the following name is a translation of the previously mentioned one. A translation also simply does not make it a name you are also known as; it is the same name, not a synonomous one, but it's what you are known as in a different language. -- Master Sima Yi Talk 07:03, July 16, 2013 (UTC) I support Sima's statements. Also, I tend to dislike the use of brackets for the very reason that they can disrupt the flow of a sentence, but given that these particular brackets are found at the beginning of our articles, I cannot reasonably support the view that they disrupt any flow (which has yet to gain momentum, so to speak). "Also known as" implies that 'Castra Praetoria' and the 'Praetorian Barracks' are two different names entirely, when that is simply not the case. Adversely, "Iroquois, also known as the Haudenosaunee" is fine since it is not a direct translation, but a name given to the indigenous peoples. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 08:40, July 16, 2013 (UTC) I agree with the statements given up there. There is not much for me to add to their arguments. Nesty Contact me! 08:44, July 16, 2013 (UTC) AgentG231 (talk)09:46, July 16, 2013 (UTC) I agree with what the gentlemen above me have stated..brackets pose no problem to me, especially since that's the standard model.--OdranoellutaTalk✲<choose><option>http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel-cinematic-universe/images/1/18/Sig.png</option></choose> 10:03, July 16, 2013 (UTC) Practically everything that everyone else has said. Nothing for me to add. Crimson Knight Intercom 12:36, July 16, 2013 (UTC) --<choose><option>http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/prototype/images/thumb/4/4f/SigN1v.png/70px-SigN1v.png</option></choose> (<choose><option>http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120508142109/prototype/images/thumb/0/09/SigT1v.png/30px-SigT1v.png</option></choose> • <choose><option>http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120508142108/prototype/images/thumb/4/40/SigG1v.png/35px-SigG1v.png</option></choose>) 15:15, July 16, 2013 (UTC) The above points express my feelings on the matter. ► Kaloneous ◄ ♣HelpDesk♣ 20:32, July 16, 2013 (UTC) Late, but agreed. DarkFeather Raven's NestRaven's Hunt 04:21, July 24, 2013 (UTC) Nay As nominator. Slate Vesper (talk) 00:49, July 16, 2013 (UTC) --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 01:15, July 16, 2013 (UTC) Comments With regards to your comment about translations being "practically the same as aliases for characters", I could not disagree more. Blackbeard is an alias for Edward Thatch, but if you translated "Edward Thatch" into any language, you'll never find the end result reading "Blackbeard"; likewise, "La Volpe" isn't a translation of Gilberto, it's his nickname. As an aside to this, I think we should probably move our city articles (i.e. Venice, Florence, Rome etc.) from their English name to their native names; Venezia, Firenze, Roma etc. We have the landmark names in the native spelling, after all. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 11:12, July 16, 2013 (UTC) I don't really support moving our city articles to their Italian name as that creates a large inconsistency with all other city articles that bear their English names. I like to consider the landmarks as being different, though I would not mind renaming them to their English names at all. -- Master Sima Yi Talk 12:46, July 16, 2013 (UTC) Navboxes Yay As nominator. Slate Vesper (talk) 00:49, July 16, 2013 (UTC) --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 01:15, July 16, 2013 (UTC) Stormbeast ♉ The Helpful Place 05:41, July 16, 2013 (UTC) Nay Nay. Vatsa and I have already been discussing to propose in-universe navboxes, though I would personally like to get rid of them entirely, since to me they are particularly visually unappealing and serve no real purpose. As to the specific proposal here, I don't see why someone who is viewing the 'Henry Knox' page would want and need to be directed to gameplay elements of Assassin's Creed III. -- Master Sima Yi Talk 07:05, July 16, 2013 (UTC) I never really found these things necessary. And I don't see the point in adding these to every article if it isn't in the box. --Crimson Knight Intercom 12:36, July 16, 2013 (UTC) No. We don't need a massive infobox on Adolf Hitler just because he is briefly shown in one of the glyphs. It should only be placed on those articles that are listed on the navbox itself, and even then, only articles that play a significant part in the story should be listed. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 12:39, July 16, 2013 (UTC) If thou asks me, relevant pages are linked in the bodytext of an article, not in a collapsable template underneath the references. Makes more sense to me... Nesty Contact me! 14:27, July 16, 2013 (UTC) Sure you wouldn't mind seeing all of Ezio targets from ACII, JD? --<choose><option>http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/prototype/images/thumb/4/4f/SigN1v.png/70px-SigN1v.png</option></choose> (<choose><option>http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120508142109/prototype/images/thumb/0/09/SigT1v.png/30px-SigT1v.png</option></choose> • <choose><option>http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120508142108/prototype/images/thumb/4/40/SigG1v.png/35px-SigG1v.png</option></choose>) 15:15, July 16, 2013 (UTC) I like my navboxes, I do, but I think even I might end up hating them if they were on every single article. Besides, that's what we have categories for. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 11:22, July 17, 2013 (UTC) Seems more complicated than it needs to be. ► Kaloneous ◄ ♣HelpDesk♣ 20:34, July 16, 2013 (UTC) -- AgentG231 (talk)22:10, July 16, 2013 (UTC) Comments Wouldn't navigational utilities such as a Navbox defeat the purpose of linking characters to their respective pages, or even mentioning an unnamed character in the trivia where we can then search them up using the search bar? Or am I breaching too much analysis into this? Supreme Master AssassinO Mentoras 01:30, July 16, 2013 (UTC) Perhaps, but with the navbox at the very bottom of the page, it would save time to use it if it came to something that was linked much further above it. If something can be clicked once and it's rather nearby though, I doubt someone would go for the navbox, but it's always good to have a collaboration of useful links. Slate Vesper (talk) 02:44, July 16, 2013 (UTC) I'm not exactly sure what it is you're proposing in regards to navboxes? --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 08:34, July 16, 2013 (UTC) He is proposing that we make it the standard to have each article feature the navbox of the game the article's subject falls under, regardless of whether the article is linked to in the navbox itself. -- Master Sima Yi Talk 12:23, July 16, 2013 (UTC) Ugh, no. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 12:32, July 16, 2013 (UTC) I'm not too certain about this, I am very much ambivalent because I realize the use of what a Navbox could present for an article but at the same time, it would also defeat the purpose of linking to other articles, which is something we've been doing since day one.  Then again, the Navbox would make navigation to other similar articles far easier than simply searching for it, though I'm not saying we should pass this, but it's just something to think about, if nothing else, it works in theory.  Supreme Master AssassinO Mentoras 18:10, July 16, 2013 (UTC) That is why we have categories. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 08:35, July 17, 2013 (UTC) Though this is true, sometimes you may end up navigating your way through multiple categories to get to the page you're after. Also, they serve a similar purpose anyway, considering they're right at the bottom of a page. However, this vote was just meant to gather everyone's opinions and work out a course of action from there forward. Slate Vesper (talk) 19:27, July 18, 2013 (UTC)