Talk:Violet da Costa

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Q R Code

I saw that on the concept art for Violet there was a QR Code that was on her shirt.

I decided to scan it to see where it would lead to, and it took me to the Queller/Strassmann Research Group at Washington University in St. Louis.

Was this intentional or an accident?

Hugues de Payens (talk) 02:55, November 22, 2015 (UTC) Hugues de Payens

Death confirmation

In the Essential Guide it doesn't list her date of death, and her bio implies that while Berg left her for dead, she survived. V i l k a T h e W o l f (talk) 13:17, August 21, 2020 (UTC)

There are inconsistent data regarding her dead. In the French version of the Essential Guide, it's confirmed that Violet died on the spot. In the Spanish version, her year of death is also confirmed but instead of using the word "executed" the guide says she was "shot". The English version, however, doesn't state this. How should we consider this? An error typo? Censorship?  XOdeyssusx recommended following what the French version says about this regard because it was the first to be released on the markets and the translations came after. IMO it's clear that she didn't survive the situation. If she didn't bleed out, the explosion killed her at the very least. Here I leave the respective photos of the Spanish and the French version of the E.G. Cristophorus35 (talk) 22:36, August 21, 2020 (UTC)

I say we go with the French version as confirmation. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 23:16, August 21, 2020 (UTC)

Wouldn't the English be considered the final canon? When they translated it into English they must have changed their mind about da Costa's fate... V i l k a T h e W o l f (talk) 00:46, August 22, 2020 (UTC)

Very unlikely to be honest. That'd be very irresponsible from their part. Cristophorus35 (talk) 04:20, August 22, 2020 (UTC)

Maybe add a footnote like with Kass's age? Lacrossedeamon (talk) 04:55, August 22, 2020 (UTC)

Since Berg's death is unconfirmed, shouldn't we treat this the same? V i l k a T h e W o l f (talk) 05:54, August 22, 2020 (UTC)

Cris is correct that the original text of any work is normally the most authoritative, which means English in the games but, if The Essential Guide was written in French first, then the French version is more likely more authoritative. I forgot if I even read the whole comic... don't think I did... and yet I remember reading those last panels where Violet dies, and I was so sure that she died even from getting shot.

I also think that there is a certain line where the grievous injury a character sustains on screen should be assumed to have been fatal from the scene alone. An example that comes to mind would be Ortega Sanchez. He was clearly illustrated as being in one of the trapped cars ambushed by a cartel when they blew them to smithereens with a bazooka. That is pretty much an on-screen death if he had never been shown again, and yet he appears alive in the next issue without a single indication of his injury. Not even the other characters are surprised at all! While that might be an argument that we can never assume on-screen death if we don't see a character actually take their last breath—like in an Animus death corridor scene—I think that's impractical since deaths in works of fiction don't always involve such a scene for artistic and story-telling reasons. Hence, I actually think that, despite the fact we know he survived that explosion from his later appearance, even knowing that doesn't change the fact that it was safe to assume he had died from it because the way the scene was depicted panel by panel strongly sent out the message it was meant to be a death scene.

So ludicrous was his survival to a bazooka that it made me wonder why we should assume he died when he was depicted being riddled with bullets in the following issue in a single panel, and then never to be seen again in any other panels. Well, the answer is we should because we can surmise that that was meant to illustrate severe mortal injury even in the absence of any subsequent panels showing his lifeless corpse. It's simply too unreasonable not to make that assumption.

I'm going to be honest, I don't remember how the scenes where Violet was shot are depicted exactly, only having that panel in the article on hand. I don't have the comic with me, but I believe that even without exact confirmation of her death, the scene as it is depicted should be one where we can safely interpret as intended to be a death scene unless sources suggest otherwise.

I was also about to point out that the English usage of the word shot doesn't necessarily indicate an intent for ambiguity on the writers' part. It is in and of itself ambiguous if it doesn't also expressly state that the individual had died, but just as often people simply describe characters getting shot without meaning to suggest they may have survived. From the English text, it's not correct to say that the English edition "indicates that she is still alive" as you guys just wrote into the article.

EDIT: After checking out the image Vilka shared on Discord, I realized that the only reason why her survival might be suspected is because her death date was removed in the English edition, alongside the change from the more specific executed in the French to the ambiguous shot. While Vilka mentioned her lack of a death date from the start, it wasn't clear to me that what was meant that the French and Spanish editions have the death date. I assumed Vilka meant the DOB/D thing wasn't given. Since that removal has to have been conscious, that is quite suspicious. I've already noted on Discord that the change in word choice might just be because an English editor thought execute can also suggest she was detained then summarily killed in an official capacity as a punishment, but the removal of the death date does make us question if the word change is related. Either way, my opinion is that we should defer to the French edition. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 14:53, August 22, 2020 (UTC)