Talk:Assassination

The Banker

I was browsing through the Animus Database in ACB the other day, and was very surprise to find that it didn't include a single word about The Banker, one of the only actual 'Targets' ezio gets to assassinate in Brotherhood (not counting Templar Agents). I'm talking about that fat guy he assassinates in a memory well into the game.

I searched this wiki for anything about him, realized he isn't even mentioned in it. When typing "The Banker" in the search bar, I was redirected to an entry about some multiplayer character.

Compiling an entry about the character is, in my humble opinion, important for the completion of this wiki. DiamondBlade1 19:57, December 15, 2010 (UTC)

Check here. Juan Borgia the Elder. MasterKenway (talk) 16:42, April 14, 2014 (UTC)

Vali cel Tradat

In Assassin's Creed: Revelations, Vali is assassinated by one of Ezio's apprentices, not Ezio himself. In fact, it is impossible for Ezio to assassinate Vali in any manner. Should Vali be moved to the list of Templar Agents in Constantinople? I don't want to simply edit it, because some of the Templar Agents (Cyril, Mirela, Odai and Lysistrata) are 'canonly' killed by Ezio himself, so they are 'his' victims, but are not a part of the main story. Ideas? 138.49.121.33 17:37, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

You will just need to move him to targets killed by other assassin's then. 90.215.74.146 17:42, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Maria Thorpe"

According to the page "Assassination targets were individuals that the Assassin Order deemed necessary of elimination.". Should Maria Thorpe be included on this list as she wasn't an actual target but a decoy. LancelotLoire (talk) 23:30, November 29, 2012 (UTC)

Deletion discussion

I see that Jasca marked this page for deletion, with a reason of "duplicate of Assassins#Known victims." I agree that is is somewhat a duplicate, but I don't think it should be deleted. I think that the "Known victims" section of the Assassins page should be merged with this page, as victims of the Assassins doesn't really give much info on the Assassin Order itself - which is the purpose of the Assassins page in the first place; that information, in my opinion, is irrelevant to the purpose of the Assassins page. nucl3arsnake (talk) 13:28, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

The article, in its current form, actually provides less information than the same section on the Assassins article (i.e. there are no dates of death, or victims from non-playable individuals). Frankly, I don't ever see there being enough information to warrant a completely separate article, as the impetus to keep the information all on one article will still be there. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 13:47, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

I was already planning on removing the list on the Assassins page as it is entirely unnecessary there, and put it here. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 19:39, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

That's good to here. And Jasca, saying that isn't enough information to warrant a page is pretty much like saying that there isn't enough information on... well almost every stub article on the wiki to warrant a page. I also don't quite see how "the impetus to keep the information all on one article will still be there" just because it lacks a large amount of information, even when said information is completely irrelevant to the topic of the page. nucl3arsnake (talk) 21:47, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

Assassination targets offers us the opportunity to detail people killed by the Templars as well, so it would be more beneficial to merge the list from Assassins with this page and then detail the Templars' victims as well. For this reason, I am effectively swapping the delete template for a merge one, because it shows a better precedence to discuss a merge than to have conflicting opinions on the talk page of a semi-crucial page like this to decide a set-in-stone outcome. Slate Vesper (talk) 23:07, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

Targets

Should this article be solely for Templars and Assassins of whom have been assassinated? Because in some instances mission require an assassination of, say, a business rival, who is neither Assassin or Templar, and I think they still apply for an Assassination target. Thoughts? --Fragment ^-Animus- 00:17, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

Provided they have a name and context, I personally don't see why not. Slate Vesper (talk) 22:56, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Slate. If an Assassin purposefully set out to assassinate someone, he is a target. However, Kanen'to:kon, for example, was a "casualty of war" who was not an actual assassination target, so people like that do not belong on the list. Nesty ^{Contact me!} 16:44, April 14, 2014 (UTC)

Draft of combined pages

Hi everybody,

I got a bit of a wild hair this evening and felt a desperate need to edit, and I thought I might try my hand at combining the Assassination targets page and Known victims subheading, as suggested on the talk page. Here is a reformatted version of the page that contains all information from both pages, as well as some additional information.

What do you guys think? Is this a good way to combine them? -Molotov.cockroach (talk) 07:43, June 20, 2014 (UTC)

Wow, nice work, Molotov. I don't know about the others, but this seems like a definite improvement to me :) The one thing that bothers me would be the overlapping tabs in Ezio's section, but I'm not sure how you'd go about fixing it. Maybe split them into two? The first group of tabs could go from 1476 to 1498 (I noticed, the 1498 doesn't pop up, there's a coding issue there) and the second group from 1500 till 1512.

Other minor things: Lysistrata is mentioned twice in the 1511 tab and a lot of individuals are linked more than once (e.g Malfatto). Also, might want to change the noblemen/men on Ezio and Edward's sections respectively, as they also killed women. Maybe "individuals" would be better? Crook ^{The Constantine District} 08:25, June 20, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the input. I went back and changed the tabber as you suggested, and it does look much better! I also made those quick corrections to Ezio and Edward's sections, and went through the page to make sure all duplicate links were taken out. -Molotov.cockroach (talk) 09:50, June 20, 2014 (UTC)

I would preferably put an "Elimination by Assassins" header with all the ancestors and "other Assassins" section underneath as subheaders, and then change "Templar assassinations" to "Elimination by Templars", while keeping the survivor section. This way, you have a tidier table of contents at the top. Slate Vesper (talk) 21:09, June 20, 2014 (UTC)

That sounds good. I made the change, and though there isn't as neat and obvious of a split between the different ancestors I don't think it's a big deal. Thanks for the input! - Molotov.cockroach (talk) 05:27, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

Specific target or collateral casualty?

I wanted to ask this to make sure we're on the right track with who goes on this list. Should Assassination Targets cover only those whose assassinations were premeditated, or that plus people who were killed by Assassins/Templars in the line of duty? John Harrison is an good example of the latter, since Haytham did intentionally kill him, but did not arrive at Harrison's location for that purpose. -Molotov.cockroach (talk) 04:11, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

Borgia captains

Should we add them to Ezio's list, given that all of them are named in the game? --Kainzorus Prime ^{Walkie-talkie} 10:48, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

I don't see why not. At the very least, I think we should include the dude Ezio takes out in the main storyline, like, the very first one. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 11:00, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

Protagonists

Shouldn't we have the people killed by Assassins in one section, rather than making special sections for Protagonists? Adding Hattori Hanzo makes this even more confusing. Do they get their own list for being significant or having a long list of kills?--Bovkaffe (talk) 13:59, August 26, 2014 (UTC)

I think that's how Molotov did it; she's the one that revamped this article (though I think even before that, it split the targets by protagonist). I remember Sima wanting to take a different, less protagonist-centered approach, so maybe it's time we adapted it then? Crook ^{The Constantine District} 14:02, August 26, 2014 (UTC)

Excactly. If we centered the page on protagonists, Haytham would also need his own list. And Shay, when that time comes.--Bovkaffe (talk) 14:04, August 26, 2014 (UTC)

Shouldn't Arno and Shay have there own sections for Assassination Targets like Altair, Ezio, Edward, Haytham, and Connor; since they are main characters in there games i believe the Other Assassination Targets should be for ones we know and hear about but not for the main characters. I would try and do it myself but im not good with programming. let me know what the rest of you think about that; Thank you.

Hold your horses, we'll get to them in time. --Kainzorus Prime ⚜ ^{Walkie-talkie} 01:28, November 16, 2014 (UTC)

Making sections for them because they're protagonists would be a bit OOU. You also have to consider that Shay switched sides, so he'd need two individual sections.--Bovkaffe (talk) 07:30, November 16, 2014 (UTC)

Is Blackbeard killed by Templars?!

Thatch accepted a pardon from Charles Eden, governor of North Carolina, but quickly resumed piracy to gather more funds for his retirement. Alexander Spotswood, the governor of Virginia became aware of his continued piracies, and paid Lieutenant Robert Maynard to get rid of him.

After the blockade of Nassau by British forces, Kenway and Vane tracked Thatch down toOcracoke to convince him to return, to no avail. While Vane swore him off, Kenway was more understanding, saying he did not begrudge Thatch his choice. In thanks, Thatch informed him that the Sage Bartholomew Roberts was rumored to be sailing on a slaver ship called thePrincess.

Later that evening, two Royal Navy vessels under Maynard launched an ambush, destroying the small settlement as well as the ships anchored in the harbor, including the Queen Anne's Revenge, which forced Thatch and Kenway to make their escape aboard the Jackdaw, the only ship to survive the attack. The two soon realized, however, that they would need to capture the attacking Man O' War in order to leave safely, and subsequently boarded it.

Despite their best efforts, the pirates were soon overwhelmed; surrounded and outnumbered, Kenway saw that Thatch was in danger and threw him a pistol, but Thatch was slain and decapitated after a prolonged and bloody engagement, though Kenway and Vane were able to escape.

Isabelle Ardant not in Intercepted? Spoilers

I finished Syndicate a couple days ago, and I know Ardant was killed by Shaun Hasting's at the end of the game. But I think that she should also be added to the intercepted section because Otso Berg and Violet de Costa intercepted Shaun and Rebbeca's first attempt to kill her earlier in the game, even if they escaped. Does a successful assassination latter disqualify that from being considered intercepted? I wanted to ask before I did anything. If it's the consensus that it does that's fine by me, I just wanted to be sure thank you.

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Reginald Birch?

Should he be considered a victim of Haytham with the help of Jennifer? Lacrossedeamon (talk) 19:57, June 28, 2018 (UTC)

I would agree he should. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 02:55, June 29, 2018 (UTC)

Kassandra's targets

Are we gonna add all the members of the Cult of Kosmos to Kassandra's assassination targets? Boofhead185 (talk) 23:53, October 5, 2018 (UTC)

Are we not gonna bother cos she wasn't technically an assassin?? Boofhead185 (talk) 04:40, November 6, 2018 (UTC)