Talk:Assassin's Creed: Shadows

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Remove the controversy section

I personally do not appreciate us going out of the way to add a "controversy" section to this page. We're not Wikipedia; I don't think documenting media and fan drama is necessary for our purposes. On the contrary, we may unnecessarily amplify these fan vitriol by the inclusion of this section while also giving undue weight to them. Of the three "controversies" mentioned, only the Yasuke debate has been substantial enough in the community for our mention to surely not be giving undir weight to it. And yet we can address this debate factually in the BTS section of his article. We do not need a controversy section here about it. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 14:27, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm agree but do we delete the controversy section from previous game like AC3 and Unity? Francesco75 (talk) 21:00, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

I'd say keep them all. Interestingly, earlier this week I was reading the list of Wikipedia controversies and one of them brought up the undue weight policy and a criticism that it leads to conservatism (not of the political kind) in article writing. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 00:31, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

While I haven't read the discussion you're referring to, I would dispute the notion that mindfulness of due weight leads to conservatism in article writing. It is an important principle in not just wiki writing but also journalism. Observing due weight isn't just refraining from including controversies, it is also about ensuring content is properly proportionate to one another in accordance with their significance, worth, relevance, and credibility. Another example—and a clearer one at that—of giving undue weight is if more than half the page on Odyssey was about fans' negative reception to Kassandra being the canonical protagonist. Another example of the policy in practice is to not start documenting every or just any opinion from randos on Reddit. Observing due weight means just that: weighing what should or should not be included and how much so as not to overemphasize the credence and importance of something.

Anyway, after taking a look at the AC3 and Unity articles, I think it depends. Obviously, we shouldn't just censor every controversy, but I'm not in favour of adding every little quibble fans have that the media just happened to pick up on. We should exercise our judgement regarding what controversy is actually a major one.Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 01:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

The controversy was about new findings regarding the Haymarket affair in 2009 through 2012. Lead to an article being published in the Chronicle of Higher Education called 'The "Undue Weight" of Truth on Wikipedia' and a further article in Harvard Law School's National Security Journal. Anyways I will say the LGBTQ+ "controversy" was fine to delete as you did since this isn't even a new development after Odyssey and Valhalla but I think the Jonathan Dumont and samurai stuff is warranted. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 02:15, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

remove them —unsigned comment by .WKR (talk · contr) 14:32, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Do you have anything to add beyond just the two words? I think Unity and Shadows' issues could stay, though I'm unsure how important AC3's early alleged anti-Brit stance really is. – Darman (talk) 15:05, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

I'd prefer to keep the two controversies that are still on the page, I feel they are important enough to note. - Soranin (talk) 15:16, 3 June 2024 (UTC)