User talk:Kennyannydenny

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RE: Egyptian mythology

Hey man,

If you know a lot about Egyptian mythology, then you're perfect for writing the article. One important thing though: make sure that all information you put on there can be traced back to Origins (or Discovery Tour if need be). I'm sure by now you know we have a very strict sourcing policy in place, so if it is not featured in the game, we cannot rightfully assume it also exists in the AC universe. (Of course, it is most likely the same, but it can always end up being slightly different, so best not to spread misinformation.) -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 09:42, March 27, 2018 (UTC)

Issue with your Egyptian mythology page

You might wanna check some of your info. The stuff about Wadjet, Hermes, and Thoth is wrong. The Cult of Wadjet operated out of Karanis and surrounding area not Hermapolis and the defaced statue and murdered priest were in the Serapeon of Karanis not the Temple of Thoth. Also Baba is not the god represent by the baboon topped canopic jar. That would be Hapi who is also depicted as a baboon but is one of the Four Sons of Horus. Finally I don’t know if you wanna add that Serapis has attributes taken from Hades and Dionysus as well as Osiris and Apis which is where the name comes from. I’m not sure the Greek gods are ever explicitly mentioned in the game or the Discovery Tour but his statues are depicted with a bident and three headed dog, symbols of Hades. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 09:46, April 4, 2018 (UTC)

Hi Lacrossedeamon, thanks for the tips! Feel free to edit the article as you see fit. I indeed mixed up Baba and Hapi, it's a big 'mess' the Egyptian mythology and it's hard to keep track of everything in my head, sometimes things get mixed up :) I couldn't remember the name of the town of the cult of Wadjet, did a quick search but apparently that source was wrong. Not sure if Hades is actually mentioned, I saw Bacchus (the Roman equivalent of Dionysus) being mentioned by name during a quest in Cyrene, Osiris and Apis are of course mentioned several times. Can't remember Hades or Dionysos being mentioned though, but I think it's worth a mention. Kennyannydenny (talk) 14:29, April 4, 2018 (UTC)

RE:Page renaming

Hello Kenny, I just wanted to say thank you for notifying me about the pages Machete and Cannon needing to be renamed properly. I despise those plural titles so much, and it is always good to be alerted when there are rogue pages still lying around. Cheers! Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 21:04, August 27, 2018 (UTC)

Hey sorry for the late reply. As per Wikipedia guidelines, there are actually certain types of pages which should be in the plural because it is more convenient to discuss them in a group. A common example are those concerning political subdivisions such as Provinces of Canada. Wikipedia also has a policy of treating pages on groups of people, such as Arabs or Egyptians in the plural. In the past, people here didn't quite understand when certain pages, such as Sword don't necessarily have to be discussed as a group. Cases like administrative subdivisions or people groups are hard exceptions and should not be the norm.

The reason why I'm explaining this is because the pages you see leftover in the plural are those which I was lenient about and wasn't sure if these exceptions apply in the Assassin's Creed context, especially since formerly, fans knew professions like mercenaries and courtesans always in the collective sense. I also have a hard time determining if Rifts and Borgia Towers should be treated similarly as Provinces of Canada in the sense that we'd almost always discuss them as parts of a whole concept. This is why it took me a while to respond because I have been pondering over the matter.

I think I will at the very least go ahead and change the articles on professions because there are plenty of mercenaries, thieves, doctors, etc. who aren't part of the "factions" employed by the Assassins. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 14:44, September 10, 2018 (UTC)

No, it is fine that if you didn't give too much of a thought about it before because you weren't expected to. I appreciate that you care about consistency since to be quite honest with you, it seems many of the old administrators gave even less thought about. To clarify, it is unprecedented for articles to be in the plural; grammatically, the base form of a word should always be used unless strong reason otherwise, and this form is the singular noun. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 15:06, September 10, 2018 (UTC)

Here is Wikipedia's guideline on this matter. Reading this, can you determine if Rifts and Borgia Towers fall under the exceptions listed, such as articles about groups or classes of specific things? I just have a hard time wrapping my head around whether this applies or not with these two. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 15:47, September 10, 2018 (UTC)

Athenian Leader et al

Heya, Kennyannydenny ;)

The reasoning behind redirecting and grouping those quests for The Athenian Leader is simply because the dialogue there is exceptionally light; in fact, all the dialogue is present on The Athenian Leader page, so you can see what I'm talking about. If I recall correctly, one of them didn't even have dialogue. I had reached out to Sol Pacificus who supported this.

On the other hand, the quests relating to Welcome to Athens all have substantial dialogue, which would make Welcome to Athens a very lengthy page if it were all combined. Raylan13<staff/> (talk) 18:13, October 16, 2018 (UTC)

Ah that explains a lot. I do think we should handle one of the two methods for all pages, not do one page in the first form and the other pages in the second. What do you (and the others) think? Kennyannydenny (talk) 18:41, October 16, 2018 (UTC)

If Sol thinks they should be consistent, I'm fine with that. Despite the lack of information for the support quests for The Athenian Leader, I'd prefer to go with having an individual page for each of them if there's a choice to be had. Better to have a handful with a small amount of info rather than have multiple enormous pages. Raylan13<staff/> (talk) 20:21, October 16, 2018 (UTC)

Totally agree. I'll wait a day or two to see what the others think. Kennyannydenny (talk) 20:31, October 16, 2018 (UTC)

For what it's worth, we do have a number of very small memory pages (say, Assassination contracts in AC2), so going that way (more lighter memory articles rather than heavier but less) gets my vote.

What ultimately (imo) decides this is this: do those 'little memories' have a title of their own? Sadelyrate (siniath) 20:39, October 16, 2018 (UTC)

Yes. All those quests have their own title and description, quest markers, rewards, objectives, etc. They're just marked as "Support Quest". Maybe they deserve their own page and we would simply use support quest as the type on our pages too. Kennyannydenny (talk) 20:43, October 16, 2018 (UTC)

I still have not started on the game, so I wasn't able to nor would be able to even now offer the best opinion on this. However, if these mini-quests do indeed have names (even if the names are as generic as "Support Quest") and are organized in the game just like other quests, then no matter how short they are, they would merit their own pages to be consistent with our organization. I sorry if it sounds like I'm vacillating; again, I don't have a clear perspective on this. Perhaps I can watch a YouTube video on these particular mini-quests to see what you guys are really talking about. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 15:59, October 17, 2018 (UTC)

Ok I went ahead and made articles for the support quests. I've marked the quests as support quest by type in the infoboxes. I think that's the best solution. Kennyannydenny (talk) 21:23, October 17, 2018 (UTC)

RE:Prince of Persia – Source for Description

Normally for memory articles such as this, it is unnecessary to add a citation for the "Reference" section because the entire page pertains to one game, and it is not a main article. However, in this case, I had to add a citation supporting the statement that Prince of Persia is a spiritual predecessor of Assassin's Creed. This meant that the "Reference" section now became a list of citations where, if I did not also cite the rest of the page to Assassin's Creed: Odyssey, the page would essentially fail to refer to that game as a source. This was only added to the "Description" section because that is the only section in the body right now. "Introduction" sections are not supposed to have citations. Me citing it to Assassin's Creed: Origins instead is a typographical error, and I thank you for catching that mistake. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 17:24, October 27, 2018 (UTC)

Disambiguation & primary topic

Hello Kenny, I am happy to see you taking initiative by moving the page Adrestia to Adrestia (ship), so that we can disambiguate from Adrestia (deity), but there is actually a rule about primary topics when it comes to disambiguations. This is covered in the Manual of Style. Essentially, when one of the pages is much more likely to be the one that our audience would be searching for when they enter a query because it is far more significant to the series, the subject of that page is called the primary topic. When a page is the primary topic for a name, it should not be a disambiguation page, but rather that name should directly lead to it. Its title should not be accompanied with a parenthetical disambiguation. Instead, there should be a disambiguation page titled with "(disambiguation)".

I know this is all very confusing, but here is an example with Adrestia. Since the goddess with that same name is not really significant to the series at all, never having made an appearance, and is only the namesake of the ship, it should not be treated on the same level of significance as Adrestia by having both equally disambiguated. Instead, the disambiguation page should be titled "Adrestia (disambiguation)". I will correct this now.

Once again, don't worry too much about this mistake; I am proud of you for taking the initiative! :) And let me know if you still find this confusing after reading this and the Manual of Style. 16:49, October 30, 2018 (UTC)

Hey Sol, I think I know what you're talking about. As I remember correctly, the English Wikipedia also did that with a lot of cases. On the Dutch wikipedia we call them "Amsterdam constructies" as Amsterdam is one such case. Everyone is looking for the city not the municipality. Didn't know we also handle that here, sorry. Wil try to remember that in the future. I'm not that much of a fan of those situations as, who am I to judge which topic people want to see more, but I can see this one is a clear case. What of the horse versus the god?: Phobos. Kennyannydenny (talk) 16:54, October 30, 2018 (UTC)

Another question, do we want an article about Greek mythology like I made about the Egyptian mythology? I've been noting in a notepad which gods are mentioned in the game so far, trying to keep track of things. But I've also seen things that aren't gods like Helen of Troy etc. being mentioned. Maybe such an artile is worth it? We could make it in my personal namespace first if that's better, everyone will be free to edit/help me and then we don't have to stick a revamp banner on it afterwards ;) Kennyannydenny (talk) 16:56, October 30, 2018 (UTC)