Talk:Kingdom

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Merge with "the Levant"

I just noticed Sora linking to this page for the term "Holy Land" over at the Crimean War article, where I think I had hitherto always linked to the Levant for that (though I don't remember entirely clearly at the moment). Is there a case to be made to merge "Kingdom" with "Levant" or how do we distinguish them? Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 21:40, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

I am against the merge and I think the lede explains why. This article should explicitly be about how the region is represented by the Animus. I would even argue to change the category possibly to Animi virtual locations. And maybe do the same with Frontier and River Valley. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 22:00, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

I think if we assume that our play-map of the Frontier and River Valley are identical to how Desmond explores those regions in the Animus, it would mean that distortions of space are so severe that the genetic memories do not present even a 50% accuracy of the ancestors' memories, dismantling the entire premise of the Animus. If the distances, placement of objects, and geographical proportions of locations are that distorted in the Animus, the user would hardly even perceive how the ancestor had perceived the world, no different than our drastically scaled down view of Egypt where the Great Pyramids are within sight from the outskirts of Alexandria. In the real-world, that would have enormous, world-changing consequences. A single street in Constantinople would only be vaguely recognizable to how Ezio would have remembered it, and what happens when he interacts with objects in his environment but buildings are positioned differently? It would be equivalent to a descendant of mine "reliving" my memories in San Francisco as it appears in WatchDogs 2. Superficially, it looks like San Francisco, but everything is so distorted, not to mention buildings scaled down to not be functional, that it would be impossible to reconstruct my memories in any shape or form using that game map at any place in the entire city. To accept the premise of Assassin's Creed, we cannot accept that our real-world video game maps are identical to how Desmond sees the world of his ancestors or that Desmond relies on virtual models that are so alien to the real places.

Therefore, I am not comfortable with our wiki making a decisive call on how our play-maps translate over to actual lore. The only possibility I can think of is if we accept that Kingdom, the Frontier, and River Valley are Animus designations of particular areas, but they aren't actually scaled down and distorted for the Animus users like they are to us as players. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 22:19, 18 April 2021 (UTC)