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List of Pieces.

DO you think someone could make a numbered or some kind of diagram list of all the pieces of eden. I know that they are descirbed in text but a list would be nice?Jit80209 (talk) 18:31, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

There's the table at the bottom of all PoE related articles. --Kainzorus Prime ^{Walkie-talkie} 18:37, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah but those are just ones that are talked about or found in all the AC media. I am talking about a list of all of them. As in even ones that have not been found.Jit80209 (talk) 20:13, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

If certain ones haven't been found, what use would there be in listing them? Slate Vesper (talk) 20:21, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Are you think that there are other unknown fragments of eden in the world? There is more than 48 fragments?  Math34 (talk) 10:54, May 1, 2013 (UTC) 10:53, May 1, 2013 (UTC) (10:51, May 1, 2013 (UTC))

Yes, because when you look at both maps from AC1 and AC2, the number of dots ads up to more than 50. And it's 'pieces', by the way, not 'fragments'. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 11:00, May 1, 2013 (UTC)

So it is possible that there have 100 pieces of Eden? Math34 (talk) 11:52, May 1, 2013 (UTC) (11:52, May 1, 2013 (UTC))

It's possible there are 1000, or even 10,000; but we're not going to be listing them. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 12:24, May 1, 2013 (UTC)

And each has different powers? As such, there must be many that can travel through time and space right?  Math34 (talk) 13:01, May 1, 2013 (UTC) (Math34 (talk) 13:01, May 1, 2013 (UTC))

No. The six Apples (that we know of) all have the same powers as each other; the two Staves have the same powers as each other. To date, we only know of one PoE that has the ability to manipulate time and space, but we don't know anything else about it, besides that. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 13:13, May 1, 2013 (UTC)

Yes maybe it is unknown fragments which have this power? If you say he has 10,000, there are many opportunities   Math34 (talk) 14:23, May 2, 2013 (UTC) (Math34 (talk) 14:23, May 2, 2013 (UTC))

That's all besides the point. The point is that only the PoE's we know of are mentioned on the article. No speculations or OR is allowed, so this whole conversation is moot. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 23:05, May 2, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, so maybe we will learn in the next AC there plus many other pieces of eden? But it is true that talking about "real" pieces of Eden and not one of those not known .. sorry   Math34 (talk) 13:18, May 3, 2013 (UTC) (Math34 (talk) 13:18, May 3, 2013 (UTC))

But there is a difference between parts and fragments? Math34 (talk) 23:51, May 4, 2013 (UTC) (Math34 (talk) 23:51, May 4, 2013 (UTC))

There's no such thing as 'Fragments of Eden'; you made that up yourself. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 22:25, May 6, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry but I'm french in fact, that's how it is pronounced Math34 (talk) 16:37, May 7, 2013 (UTC) (Math34 (talk) 16:37, May 7, 2013 (UTC))

List of known Pieces of Eden

Although I originally favoured keeping this list on the article, I think we need t reconsider now, given that it's ridiculously out of date. Would anybody object to my removing the list, and integrating the rest of the text into the article proper? --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 10:32, August 19, 2013 (UTC)

I do not object to its removal but perhaps an alternative can be found (such as updating and compressing the list). But still, I don't object, can't speak for the others though. --Teller ^{Words, On my Screen :O} 10:39, August 19, 2013 (UTC)

I don't see how the list is 'out of date', it's not necessarily been retconned. A quick example is a Piece of Eden being displayed as being in Chichen Itza, and we recently got shown that's the Prophecy Disk. I do think, however, that we need to update it to remove locations that are not accurately portrayed, and to consider the lists as only being accurate during Altaïr's time; that Pieces have moved over time since around 1191. The map from AC1 and the one from AC2 are not exactly the same either. I started out a bit with it in one of my sandboxes, but I have not gotten around to it yet. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 10:43, August 19, 2013 (UTC)

We could make a List of Pieces Of Eden page.--ACsenior (talk) 15:41, August 19, 2013 (UTC)

We should! I started one but it was deleted in one minute... A list is more easy than a bunch of text! PimMaagdenberg (talk) 13:09, October 28, 2015 (UTC)

Also harder since so little is known of them yet. We don't know how to account for all current locations (as in modern day) of all Pieces of Eden, and we do not know which ones might be the same. This would only really be possible if Ubisoft were to provide us with such a list, and I doubt they even have one. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 13:35, October 28, 2015 (UTC)

List of Pieces, no. 3

Despite my initial reluctance to get rid of the lit, I now realize that the list is very out of date. For example, DYL establishes the Fountain of Youth in Florida was (related to) a Piece of Eden, TToKW shows there was an Apple of Eden in Yorktown and AC4 that there was a Crystal Skull in Long Bay (admittedly, the Apple could have been moved to Yorktown, but not the Crysal Skull). And given the lack of detail on the maps, at least half of the locations listed on the article are speculative at best. I therefore propose that we get rid of it. However, I do not want to get rid of this list altogether, though I'm not sure what we could do with it instead. If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear them. Maybe a blog? -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 12:07, July 29, 2014 (UTC)

I say we move to Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad's Codex, as it is a helpful list and understandably outdated since his lifetime. --Alientraveller (talk) 16:37, July 29, 2014 (UTC)

I suggest removing the list, instead listing the POEs we know to be at a certain place at a certain time. As for the rest of the locations, I think we should either have a piece of text on them on this page, stating how vague and ambiguous it all is, or move it to Alty's codex, as Alientraveler suggested, or a bit of both. Nesty ^{Contact me!} 18:43, July 29, 2014 (UTC)

Human-made artifacts

So I see there a new category for PoEs now. What about King Washington's Scepter? Does that count? It is pretty similar to the Head of Saint Denis as it's also just a regular PoE that's been somewhat customized. Does it warrant it's own page? TheIceClimber (talk) 09:10, February 9, 2015 (UTC)

There's a new category? Stormbeast ♉ ^{The Helpful Place} 09:27, February 9, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, in the First Civilization template. In 'Artiffacts' you got: Pieces of Eden, Other artifacts & Human-made artifacts. TheIceClimber (talk) 11:30, February 9, 2015 (UTC)

By definition, a Piece of Eden is a First Civilisation-made artefact; there are no, and never will be a human-made one. So no, there is not a "new category for PoEs now". To explain the example you cited; the Head of Saint Denis is simply a lantern (human made), which contains an Apple of Eden (FS made) within it. The two artefacts, although combined, are distinctly separate. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 12:31, February 9, 2015 (UTC)

It's just that from my perspective Washington's Scepter counts as a Human-made artiffact. Just like the Saint Denis lantern it didn't add anything to the PoE besides aesthetics. Sorry for saying it was a new "PoE Category". It is in fact an "Artiffact Category", but my question still stands. Does the Scepter deserve it's own page? TheIceClimber (talk) 13:32, February 9, 2015 (UTC)

Human-made things are clearly stated in the Template - stuff made using knowledge obtained from the Apples, or FC materials. Scepter and Lantern do not fall into either category as far as we know. --Kainzorus Prime ⚜ ^{Walkie-talkie} 14:38, February 9, 2015 (UTC)

Precursor Maps

I noticed that in the bottom, it shows the map of Altair's codex, and the caption saids it's a map of the POEs. I think that's unaccurate. I think the map from the Apple in the ending of Assassin's Creed 1. When Desmond got off the Animus, Warren was talking to some men saying that he just got the map, and mentioned that they will collect them. I think that is the map to locate POEs 

Map of the Pieces of Eden?

"After seeing the Apple's projection indicating the location of all Pieces of Eden, Altaïr copied the map and hid it within his Codex so that only his descendants might find it." The map was copied to the Codex before Warren saw it from Desmond's Animus session. Stormbeast ♉ ^{The Helpful Place} 01:48, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

Section and division

I have some questions about the organization of the page. I have a plan which is:

1. Renaissance
a) Ottoman Empire (AC RV game and novel)
b) Spain under inquisition (AC movie, AC Rebellion, AC LD with the Faith Prong)
c) Italy (AC2, ACB, Project Legacy)
d) Spanish colonization (AC LD, Project Legacy, Fountain of Youth)
e) Europe (Elizabeth Ist, Project Legacy)

I don't know if we can consider Ming China and Japan during the unification as Renaissance or if we make a different section.

2. Age of Enlightenment or Imperial Age
a) Golden Age of Piracy (AC4, William Kidd, Freedom Cry)
b) British colonies (AC RG, AC3)
c) Louisiana (AC L)
d) Persia, ottoman empire and Libya (Koh-i-Noor in Black cross)
e) French Revolution (AC U)

3. Industrial Era
a) India (Brahman and ACCI)
b) United States (AC LD, Tesla, Edison, Ford)
c) Great Britain (AC S, project Legacy)
d) Tsarist Russia (Comics)

4. World at War
a) Russian Revolution (Comics, ACCR)
b) Spanish Civil War (Comics)
c) WW2 (Comics, glyphs)
d) Cold War (Comics, glyphs)

5. Modern Times
a) Second Disaster (Present-day until AC3)
b) Project Phoenix (AC4, ACU, ACS, Comics)
c) Trident of Eden (AC LD)
d) Chase of artifacts (AC movie, ACOR, ACOD)

You can change my plan if it a bit redundant like with Tsarist Russia and the Russia Revolution section or something I missed.Francesco75 (talk) 08:39, November 8, 2019 (UTC)

Prophecy Disk and Memory seals?

I have a question, Is the Prophecy Disk a Piece of Eden or just an Isu technology? I asked because they aren't strictly labeled as POE.Francesco75 (talk) 17:48, April 25, 2020 (UTC)

From what I can recall, they aren't labeled as anything other than just Prophecy Disk in Liberation. Though, according to the Essential Guide (luckly it is in one of the pages amazon shows for free) their "ultimate purpose is unclear" and they are distinct from the memory seals. - Soranin (talk) 18:04, April 25, 2020 (UTC)