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rename to Iga Province? it does say just "Iga" on the collector's edition map... so just wait until its out? VilkaIsBack (talk) 08:31, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Sol gives good reasoning for just Iga as opposed to Iga Province in one of his edit comments on the AC Shadows navbox. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 08:59, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

A similar situation came up with cases from Dynasty like the Julu, Changshan, and Fanyang Commanderies and the Taiyuan Prefecture where we also had articles for their cities of the same name. In my discussion with Sora, she convinced me to merge them. While the context is not entirely the same, and we are not performing the merge in other cases like New York vs. New York City, I think it should set a precedent for leaving out the name of the administrative unit type from the article title. After all, the official name of New York is "State of New York", but we don't title it that.

I provided an additional reason to Lacrosse in my edit summary, which is that the administrative unit type for a region can change. Sometimes the change can be very minute and technical. It is better that we don't create a new, separate article every time an administrative unit's type changes. The divisions of Greece, like Arkadia, is another example. Arkadia today is officially called a "regional unit". Do we then name it Arkadia Regional Unit, as is the official name in Greek? No, it is better to just simplify it down to the name of the region that has been constant across time. We also sideline the unnecessary question of whether we should use the official name in the present day or the name corresponding to the time period most focused on in the media.

Another example is the case of Shu. Currently, I also have it as a stand-in for the modern province of Sichuan, whose postal abbreviation is Shu. But the way this region has been organized has changed constantly between the Tang era and modern China, not always corresponding to one whole unit and sometimes going by different names. In fact, the whole territory was called Jiannan Circuit in the Tang dynasty, but in Dynasty, the characters refer more narrowly to Chengdu and its district as Shuzhong despite its administrative name also being Yizhou (or Yi Province) at the time. The greater region was also named Yi Province in certain time periods, like at the end of the Han dynasty just before Liu Bei established Shu as one of the Three Kingdoms. For the scope of our content about the region, it is better to just have one article on Shu for now that covers Yi Province, Jiannan Circuit, Sichuan Province, etc. across the ages.

The examples from China, Greece, and the United States are not exactly the same as the provinces of Japan, but leaving out the administrative unit type from the page title is pretty constant.

And a final argument is that by simplifying it to "Iga", we avoid the question of whether it really should be "Iga Province" or "Iga ikki", which Wikipedia gives as the name of the shinobi state. But then I am dubious about the connotation of ikki, which a quick dictionary (See: Wiktionary and Japandict) suggests it can mean "insurgency", and I believe my sources calling the Tenshō Iga War the "Iga Rebellion" is actually from translating the name "Iga ikki".

I think conceptually, we are thinking of Iga as a region regardless of whether governments determined it was a province, an independent state, or an insurgent state, just like with Shu, we're thinking of the conceptual and cultural region, not precisely what specific administrative form it took in a specific time period. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 14:10, 17 May 2024 (UTC)