Talk:Salah Bey
Assassin or no?[edit source]
Just want to leave this point here since I see this issue around a lot. Assuming that a character isn't a Templar or Assassin but is only their ally is, contrary to popular opinion, just as much of an assumption as it to say that they are a Templar or Assassin. That is to say, we can't say that there isn't explicit proof a character is a member of the Assassin or Templar orders, but then label them as non-members. We would also need explicit proof that the character isn't a member of either faction. As a result, we have to defer to our best judgment.
In regards to this particular character, he actually refers to his two fallen accomplices as "my Brothers". As well, I find it highly unlikely that a mere Assassin ally rather than an elite Assassin would be tasked such a critical, dangerous mission to assassinate the most powerful leader in the country. Not only that, but this mission also involves the recovery of a Piece of Eden. This is not the sort of operation that should be assigned to a mere ally of the Assassins not inducted into their order—hell, not even a mere Assassin apprentice. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 07:43, August 8, 2017 (UTC)
His brothers could be also guards. Templars refered sometimes as Brothers, it's not unique to the Brotherhood. Also, he saw Achilles as an ally and not as a brother. Assassins sometimes entrust person who are not in the Brotherhood for critical missions, as Ezio and Edward before they were inducted in Brotherhood, or Joan of Arc with the Sword of Eden.Francesco75 (talk) 09:40, August 8, 2017 (UTC)
- He also says within his his letter: "I must pursue him (Ahmed Shah) immediately if we hope to claim the Piece of Eden (the Koh-i-Noor) for ourselves." What exactly would he mean with "for ourselves" if he's not a member? Also, why would he refer to his fellow guards as brothers? I'm not saying it's impossible, but I think it's less likely. When talking to about allies and referring to Achilles' cause, he could just as easily be referring to other brotherhoods and Achilles' specific goals in the American colonies. At the end of the day, I suggest we apply Occam's Razor, we go with the conclusion that requires the least number of assumptions, and him being an Assassin requires less speculation. The Wikia Editor (talk) 11:57, August 8, 2017 (UTC)
- As I said, at most in the absence of definite proof for one or the other, we must make an educated guess. In this context, "Brothers" is more far more likely to refer to fellow Assassins than fellow guards. That the term isn't exclusive to the Assassins is obvious, but the point isn't that this is definitive proof but that in this context, it's some evidence, especially since the term is capitalized. To be honest, "brothers" isn't even that commonly used to refer to fellow soldiers of a state army except perhaps when speaking to them. As well, Ezio isn't really a good example because he was born into an Assassin family that was undergoing Assassin training from his uncle the entire time before his official induction. The missions assigned to Edward before his induction were just assassination contracts which he undertook as a mercenary. He pursued the Observatory of his own accord initially. I have not yet read Heresy. In any case, it is still more likely that an Assassin would be entrusted to such a critical mission than otherwise.
- The only thing is that he happens to say "I regret that I cannot take the time to know you and your cause better". As an Assassin, shouldn't it be reasonable of him to assume Achilles's Colonial Brotherhood shares the same cause? I suppose he might mean that the two branches have different goals, but "cause" is usually more abstract and overarching. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 10:14, August 8, 2017 (UTC)