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Confusion

It should be underlined that Romani people came from the indian continent and only later they made a home of Romania..It may not seem a big deal but our romanian readers might feel offended by this kind of confusion. Also if I remember correctly in 1507 Romania didn't exist, there were only the principalities of Walachia, Moldova and Transilvania -- Killeras 23:38, June 26, 2011 (UTC)

Technically we saw them in the demo in 1511. but yeah.70.70.13.203 05:35, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Is there even a leader for them?Or are they just random people on the street who you can just hire?

The Romani are meant to be a replacement for Courtesans in Assassin's Creed: Revelations so presumably they will behave in a similar manner. That is to say that they will be hireable on the street but have an actual guild/camp that Ezio will interact with so a leader of the Romani is likely. Also, please remember to sign your posts. -- ► Kaloneous ◄ _{♣^HelpDesk♣} 15:13, November 1, 2011 (UTC)

Name origin

Their name doesn't originate from a confusion with Romanians; rather, it causes confusion in the modern day. Their name draws from when they entered Europe from Anatolia, settling in the Byzantine Empire, then still known as the "Roman" empire (Basileia ton Romaion), and sometimes even referred to as "Romania" in modern historiography. During the Ottoman occupation the area comprising modern Greece was called "Rumelia", reflecting this. I would make this change myself but the wiki page is locked.

Blaxos 14:59, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

The terms Romanie (and its variants) is from the word meaning "man" in their language. The terms Gypsy arose because the first Roma/Gypsies to enter Europe came from Egypt. No relation to Romanian, Roman or Rumelian. Of course the game does not reflect real history and the origins of the Roma are in Rajastan, not in Eastern Persia.

RogerCooper 02:39, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

I had to fix it. It was ass-backwards. SailorKnightWing 18:57, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Trivia needs rewording?

The current, and only thing under Trivia is confusing to read. Were courtesans not accepted in Ottoman Society or Romani? Because when you say "who were not accepted in the Ottoman Society," you are referring to the person you just mentioned, not the former. [/grammar nazi] Edit: Thanks, Slate! :) Aegis Runestone^{Speak to me} 22:40, May 19, 2012 (UTC)

No problem Aegis, I saw your comment and decided to fix it. :) Slate Vesper 23:07, May 19, 2012 (UTC)

Romani word as anachronism

I don't know what happened but I wrote something explaining my edit, which didn't get saved. To reiterate, I am a Romani specialist pursing a PhD in Archaeology with the Archaeology of the Roma as my thesis topic.

The term "Romani" did not originate in the 20th century. This is patently false. The term is widely used in 19th century literature with the sole difference that it's usually spelled "Romany". George Borrow's The Romany Rye (1857) is just one example.

Further, there is evidence to suggest "Romani" or some iteration of it (Rom, Roma etc) dates back to the beginning of their history in Europe.

Several sources mention a settlement of the city of Modon (Methoni). The earliest of these describes the people there as "Romniti". Later sources describing the same settlement clearly describe this as a Romani community. (See George Soulis "Gypsies in the Byzantine Empire")

Linguists have not been able to establish the origin of the word, but some have suggested it's derived from Romaoi, the Greek word for "Roman". If true that would mean the Roma have called themselves something very close to "Romani" for a very long time and it's entirely possible they did so in the early 16th century. Pcw27271 (talk) 16:30, 25 April, 2022 (UTC)

I will admit to having used Wikipedia's pages on Romani and the Romani language for my edit and forgetting to source them, but if you could provide a verifiable source and add it, it'd be much appreciated. I would not count Borrow's book as a good source, though, as it's a semi-autobiographical fiction novel rather than a research text. – Darman (talk) 16:50, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi,

"Romany" is used extensively by pretty much all of the major 19th century English "Romologists" as they called themselves. Charles Leland's "The Gypsies" (1882) uses the term several times as both a noun and adjective. This is a non-fiction ethnographic work.

For the info about Modon:
Soulis, George C. “The Gypsies in the Byzantine Empire and the Balkans in the Late Middle Ages.” Dumbarton Oaks Papers 15 (1961): 141–65. https://doi.org/10.2307/1291178.

I don't know how to add citations so if you could do so I'd be much obliged. – Pcw27271 (talk) 17:00, 25 April, 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! I just saw your source addition to the page. And no worries about formatting, so long as it's sourced, we can fix up anything else you want add later. – Darman (talk) 17:30, 25 April 2022 (UTC)