Talk:Pirate Flintlock

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Identical to Pirate Blunderbusses

According to IMFDb, the Pirate Flintlock of AC3 and the Pirate Blunderbusses of AC4 would actually be the same model of gun. Aside from the description, you can tell from the images that they're identical. However, while the pistols Edward Kenway carries in promotional media are certainly identical to the "Pirate Flintlocks", it's possible that IMFDb might be in error because based on the image from Pirate Blunderbusses, the model in AC4 is actually bulkier. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 03:27, October 3, 2017 (UTC)

Actually, both the AC3 Pirate Flintlock and Royal Navy Sea Service Flintlock are based on French naval flintlock pistols officialy designated as Pistolet modèle 1786 with the only difference being the pirate version is depicted with the cleaning rod attached while the royal navy version lacks it. And the AC4 in game pirate blunderbusses appear to be inspired by naval blunderbuss pistols like this one. Nanomat (talk) 16:57, October 3, 2017 (UTC)

If you look at this image here, the Pirate Flintlock in AC3 actually appears to be a naval blunderbuss pistol. Actually, it's possible that the wrong image was used for this article. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 17:22, October 3, 2017 (UTC)

I just checked the general store in AC3 and the image in the buy menu is the one of the Royal Navy Sea Service Flintlock without ramrod. I forgot to check the actual world model but is likely that it is the one you show and identified in IMFDB, apparently developers oversight. Though it looks like the AC3 models were reused in early stages of AC4 and the final model which is shown on the article here (Pirate Blunderbusses) is actually different and similar to the blunderbuss I provided above. Nanomat (talk) 19:22, October 3, 2017 (UTC)

Ah, so that means that although in promotional material for AC4, the pirate blunderbuss is the same as the pirate flintlock in AC3, in the actual game itself, they are not the same model? So we should not merge after all, right? Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 19:25, October 3, 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, no reason to merge it's just reused assets, maybe only mention it in the trivia section. Also I think there is no reason to label the Pistol (Unity) as Kentucky Flintlock Pistol, just mention it also in the trivia section. Nanomat (talk) 19:51, October 3, 2017 (UTC)

For the specific case of Pistol (Unity), I named it as such in the introduction because I thought it would sound weird and redundant to say "the Pistol is a flintlock pistol". Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 20:12, October 3, 2017 (UTC)

Wait. The Pirate Flintlock as depicted in general stores is the Royal Navy Sea Service pistol without the ramrod? Because it is the other way around currently in the articles. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 20:22, October 3, 2017 (UTC)

Probably the article images are messed up. Also, I dare to question IMFDB's identification of the AC3 reused assets as the Pirate Blunderbusses as the only instances where wee see these guns is in promotional images, thus I believe guys at IMFDB just labeled the guns "Pirate Blunderbusses" as they were used by pirates and not because the game itself labels this particular models as such. Maybe it would be better to remove the "the Pirate Blunderbusses initially shared the same model as..." Nanomat (talk) 21:27, October 3, 2017 (UTC)