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Nesaia's occupation + allegiance

What's the source for Nesaia being a mercenary? Or aware of/working for the Cult of Kosmos? Sadelyrate (siniath) 16:02, February 25, 2019 (UTC)

She was a mercenary, the Athenians hired her to fight the Spartans just like the other champions.  Oh and Kleon was in command of the Athenian forces, so she was more like a puppet to the Cult of Kosmos.  In other words she was working for them indirectly.  Frontierchris (talk) 16:09, February 25, 2019 (UTC)

But where is it stated she was a mercenary? Boeotia as a whole allied with Athens, simply because they got there before Sparta. Sadelyrate (siniath) 16:13, February 25, 2019 (UTC)

True, but how do you think the Athenians convinced the Boeotians to agree to an alliance? Frontierchris (talk) 16:18, February 25, 2019 (UTC)

It doesn't matter what I think; what matters is whether it's stated in-game or not. Sadelyrate (siniath) 16:43, February 25, 2019 (UTC)

Why does it have to be stated in-game?  I mean this is just like the debate over the Dagger. Frontierchris (talk) 16:49, February 25, 2019 (UTC)

Because that's how this wiki works. If it's stated/appears in official material, it's canon, it belongs here. If it's not... it has no place here. Because otherwise it would just be a mess of fanon and methinks and stuff. Sadelyrate (siniath) 16:59, February 25, 2019 (UTC)

Okay, but can we still consider her as a Cult of Kosmos puppet? --Frontierchris (talk) 17:25, February 25, 2019 (UTC)

Are you going to go and add the category Cult of Kosmos puppet to every article about all the people that participated in the Peloponnesian War, one way or the other? Including Kassandra, Herodotos and Barnabas? Because adding that to Nesaia's article just because she participated in the war, without any other proof, would mean exactly that. Puppets in this context require puppeteers; without proof of the latter, the former isn't applicable. Sadelyrate (siniath) 20:54, February 25, 2019 (UTC)

It’s not like that at all, I mean she’s a puppet because by then the Cult had complete control over the Athenian military, not because she took part in the war. And as for puppeteer, I’d say it was Dieneira, she was a cultist. --Frontierchris (talk) 22:12, February 25, 2019 (UTC)

Was Demosthenes a puppet of the Cult, then, too? And Brasidas? Lysander? They're all military, far more so than Nesaia. As for Deianeira being the puppeteer...Once again, where's the proof?

As long as we cannot point it out, say "Look, here, they said it" and others can verify it for themselves...it doesn't go into the wiki. No matter how nice and fitting it would be. Sadelyrate (siniath) 22:38, February 25, 2019 (UTC)

I said they controlled the Athenian military, Brasidas and Lysander were Spartan military. As for Demosthenes, he was probably dead by then. --Frontierchris (talk) 02:20, February 26, 2019 (UTC)

If we are going to that far, then the the various organisations in the past games would be considered as Templar puppets/allies based on what you said. The Cult infiltrated the Delian and Peloponnesian League, but this doesnt generalise the whole organisations as puppets. They worked from within, manipulate a few people from inside the organisation, that's that. Brasidas, Lysander and Demosthenes were all members of their respective armies and have no indication of them performing acts for the Cult, so they aren't that. Speculation isn't allowed unless its shown as such. XOdeyssusx (talk) 06:14, February 26, 2019 (UTC)