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I believe he was an Assassin. Altair mentioned calling him "Brother", which I don't hink they would call an ordinary citizen of Masyaf. Toolen (talk) 15:03, October 17, 2014 (UTC)

He was affiliated with the Assassins, at best. You have no proof of him being an actual Assassin. Especially since all the ranked ones wore Assassin uniforms at the time, not whatever rags they pleased. Plus, he had all ten fingers. --Kainzorus Prime ⚜ ^{Walkie-talkie} 15:13, October 17, 2014 (UTC)

Everyone else except Altair had ten fingers. Altair called him "Brother", something that Assassins would call one another, and he was called a traitor. You cannot betray an organization you are not a part of. Toolen (talk) 20:43, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

You can if said organization provides protection and comfort, which the Assassins did. --Crimson Knight _Intercom 20:52, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

Not really. And that still doesn't explain why he was called "brother". All the evidence provided in the game indicates that he was an Assassin. To assume otherwise just because of his clothes would be speculation. We aren't supposed to include speculation. Toolen (talk) 21:07, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

Explain to me how what you're saying isn't speculation. What I'm saying isn't speculation, because he's never stated to be an Assassin. Also, yes really. If a family gives you shelter even though you're not a member of that family, and you proceed to set their house on fire, that would be betrayal. --Crimson Knight _Intercom 21:26, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

It doesn't state that he isn't an Assassin, either. Following that line of a retirement, you could say you are speculating as well. Furthermore, if he was just some guy who betrayed the orders trust, why was he brought before the Mentor? Why did they make such a big deal over it? Why would the Mentor himself be the one to decide his fate, instead of one of the other Assassins? He he were just some rogue citizen of Masyaf, Al Mualim probably wouldn't have been the one to decide his fate, and Altair would have just killed him himself. He clearly had a close connection to the Assassins, and the evidence seems to indicate he was at least a low-ranking member. The only people the Assassins call "brothers" are their fellow Assassins. Toolen (talk) 21:42, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

It's also never stated that Cesare Borgia wasn't an Assassin, but we all know he wasn't. It's safer to assume that Masun was not an Assassin than that he was an Assassin. Also, Al Mualim ordered Altaïr to bring Masun before him. As reckless as he was, Altaïr was not the type to disobey a direct order. --Crimson Knight _Intercom 21:47, November 12, 2014 (UTC) 

Again, why would he order him to bring a rogue civillian to him? And you still haven't explained why he was called "brother". Al Mualim refers to him as "one of our own" and says he betrayed the Brotherhood. Furthermore, the use of the word "treason" is a clear indication he was a member of the Brotherhood. A stranger can betray you, as you said, but treason means that you have betrayed your own organization or country. That is why the punishment for treason is death, because you willingly betrayed YOUR OWN KIND. Masun was clearly one of the lowest ranking members of the order. If anything, he was an Assassin Herald. You cannot commit treason unless you are a part of the group you betrayed. Treason and betrayal are not exactly synonyms. Treason is, rather, a type of betrayal. Betrayal means the breaking or violation of the trust of an individual or group. Treason means the betrayal of ONE'S OWN country or organization. Since Al Mualim clearly states that Masun stands accused of treason before he kills him, he implys that Masun is one of the Brotherhood ("one of our own"). All of these facts are a clear indication of Masun's membership in the Brotherhood. He may not have been a very high ranking or important member, as indicated by his garb (though that may also be because Ubisoft didn't give him a unique skin), but he is a member nonetheless. Toolen (talk) 22:21, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

If no one else has any evidence that refutes my own, I will add the templates to the article. Toolen (talk) 02:08, November 19, 2014 (UTC) 

There has been no hard and fast proof that Masun is an Assassin, as everyone else in this thread has been saying. Until such proof can be presented, the templates remain off and there will be no further edit wars. DarkFeather ^{Raven's Nest}_{Raven's Hunt} 02:39, November 19, 2014 (UTC)

There remains no hard evidence that he ISN'T an Assassin, and the majority of the evidence suggests otherwise. I am merely trying to restore what has been accepted fact on this wiki for years, and should never have been changed based on speculation. Furthermore, let's not forget that I wasn't the one who started reverting edits without trying to refute my evidence in the talk page. Granted, I initially changed the article without providing a sufficient reason, but once issues arose, I started this conversation so that we could discuss this issue. Kainzorus chose to ignore this and revert the edits behind my back. Whether this was intentional or not remains to be seen, but the fact remains. Now, if no one else has any further evidence, I would like to add the templates. Toolen (talk) 03:21, November 19, 2014 (UTC)

Is tenure any way to get in touch with the people at Ubisoft to ask about Masun's true connection to the Assassins? I know this was done to settle the matter on Rashid's page. I know the edit war is over, but an official source on the matter would be helpful. Toolen (talk) 17:50, September 18, 2015 (UTC)