Talk:Abstergo Industries

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About the history section

I just played one of the Subject 16, cluster 5. Throughout the puzzle, there are clues that abstergo influenced events in Iran, Chile, and Argentina in the 1950s to 1970s. They put pictures and such. It is appropriate to keep this info on this page? If so, your'll welcome to expand or fix the information. I have trouble with the citations since I'm a rookie. Tseantan 22:57, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it is. Btw, Tseantan, links ar made with double brackets ([[article name link]]), not keys ({{article WRONG!}}) ;D -- D. Cello 22:58, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

W.: concerning Iraq.

Could W. possibly mean George W. Bush?, I may just be speculating but that ties in with real life affairs, such as the invasion etc.

Duh. 98.192.42.30 21:16, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

contradiction over abstergo's public nature

In Brotherhood, one of the Clusters had a telephone conversation featuring a man who found out about Abstergo and was going to write a book about them. He says that they are a shadow corporation that isn't publicly traded and who's members even have ties to the government and Wall Street. Pretty much, their existence is a secret. But in the first game, isn't it explicitly mentioned a number of times that they are a well known pharmaceutical company that makes anti-depressants amongst other things. They are under investigation for the who New Fluoride incident (try investigating a company that "doesn't exist". I bet ya can't), and the person who witnessed the Denver massacre said that he saw the name and the logo. So they are either a shadow company who's name isn't even known to the public, or they are on the surface a pharmaceutical/technology corporation. Which is it?Son of God-Enel 03:54, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

I think somewhere along the lines, I got the impression that they were a "non-existant" shadow corporation, but later kind of subtly emerged publicly as a major economic power. But that's probably just me, assuming it even makes sense. 98.192.42.30 17:48, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

As a matter of a fact there are some of those "shadow corporations" already in existence. Ever heard of Unilever ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Unilever_brands) it's a perfect example: everybody knows it's products, but hardly anyone knows that they are somehow connected - by a "umbrella brand". There are many others as well. In reality our whole market is being controlled by a handfull of those brands. So the idea of a single very powerful but relatively unknown brand (Abstergo) might seem quite creepy, but it corresponds to our current situation. LaNeve 15:35, August 6, 2011 (MEZ)

The first game definitely indicates it is a fairly large and well known company AND is publically traded(one email about hte flouride thing mentions the stock probably taking a hit). The rifts in Brotherhood are full of contradictions with other stuff though. So it's hard to tell what is actually the canon, but I seem to think whoeve they had writing the rift stuff was not the same quality of people who did the rest of the game.24.34.132.106 19:15, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

F

The agent 'F' is most likely Milton Friedman, nobel laureate economist and staunch supporter of lasseiz-faire style market capitalism. Friedmen basically drove the neoliberal revolution in the latter half of the 20th century, driving economic policy away from Keynesian to more liberal - the most prominent is the economic reform of Chile. Pinochet, Thatcher, Reganm and Xiaoping are all examples of neoliberal politicians

Uh, no. Don't forget to sign your posts. Guardian Assassin 04:49, May 28, 2011 (UTC)

Ah...my mistake, I see what you're getting at. Different F. Guardian Assassin 08:13, May 30, 2011 (UTC)

Italian Facility

In the gallery, the picture of the facility featured in the games is currently captioned "Animus room, Florence Facility". Is there a source on the exact location of the facility in Italy? 98.192.42.30 17:52, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

In case you didn't know, the modern day storyline takes place in Italy. And as said in Brotherhood, they couldn't flee across Italy's border as Abstergo would find them. If you look at the windows in the first Assassin's Creed and Assassin's Creed II, you'll see that it looks exactly like Florence. Also, I'm 99,9% sure that Ubisoft themselves confirmed that particular facility is in Florence; I believe in a blog post on the official Brotherhood website, they I can't recall which one. -- Master Sima Yi 19:19, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I was aware that it was set in Italy. And I'm pretty sure I know what you're talking about; unfortunately, this was all I could find when I Googled it, but I know that there was more, because I remember them saying that there were hints in the first two games. Couldn't find it on the official site, either. In any case, all I remember reading was that it was in general Italy, with no mention of what city. And I'm not saying you're wrong, but all I can see through the windows in AC1 and AC2 is white light and the very vague forms of some surrounding buildings. No distinctive details. Maybe it's just me. 98.192.42.30 21:08, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

Well? Guardian Assassin 04:29, May 28, 2011 (UTC)

As revealed in The Lost Archive, the facility is in Vatican City, likely in the few ordinary buildings that just fall into the state's borders. -- Master Sima Yi _Clogs ^{Marvel Studios} 16:00, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

Vault

Abstergo's symbol is also in the walls of the vault, along with the assassin symbol and I'm pretty sure I also saw the templar cross. If anyone has a doubt check the Vault page, it says so in the Trivia section.

AlexArkham 03:13, May 28, 2011 (UTC)

I've never seen those outside the Vault, either. Guardian Assassin 04:27, May 28, 2011 (UTC)

Except maybe the cross. Guardian Assassin 04:28, May 28, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, then, I'll just go replay the first mission of ACB and then upload the picture. Once I have it, I'll edit it again.

AlexArkham 15:53, May 29, 2011 (UTC)

I wouldn't say that that's certafiably an Abstergo logo. Yes, there's a resemblance, but no, it's not definate. Guardian Assassin 22:40, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

Religion.

Atheism isn't a religion. I suggest altering it to "None (Atheist)". CryptoKiller 10:16, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Some people simply do think it as a religion, some people don't. Google it, there's multiple opinions on it, so there's no real need to change it. UDITORE 10:19, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

It's not a religion. Atheist in a literal sense really means "Not religious". It's like not playing football is a sport. 75.83.114.81 10:48, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Erm, no. Atheism does not mean "not religious"; all Atheism accounts for is a lack of belief in a deity (or deities). Buddhism is, for example, a fundamentally atheist religion. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 12:30, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Erm, NO, Buddhism believe in spiritism instead of deities. Hinduism also supports this. The term Atheism orginates from older languages(such as Greek) literally meaning "Not Religious" or "One without God" while Theism means "God/Religious". My friend is a Buddhist who unfortunately met this cocky Atheist who tries to form a group/organization against Buddhism, Hinduism, and Christianity. Calling people like that "Religious" is NOTHING but arrogance. Atheists are nontheists. Nontheism and irreligion are two VERY different things. The Irreligious are skepitical, but is against BOTH Athiesm and Non-Secularism. Atheists are against ANY theist belief in general.

The Assasins and the Templars(In the game) are NOT Atheists, though some clearly are(being most are killers). Templars are also shown to be Nilhilists(Believing in no afterlife). The Assasins probably Omnists(Believing in everything). The evil doctor Vidic himself is an immoral Atheist, respectfully.

To sum ALL of this up, Atheists are cultureless and lack belief because of such ignorance. Therefore, CAN'T be a religion itself for lacking such basic phylosphy. You can say I maybe bias towards them and the Irreligious. But in the end my dislike for Atheism and irreligion is quite logical and rational.

-From a reasonable Christian 75.83.114.81 03:23, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

Excuse me. I do have a culture thank you very much; I would also warn against calling me ignorant simply because I don't believe in your God. There's no such thing as "spiritism" (I suspect you mean "spiritualism") which, as it doesn not involve belief in a deity, supports my statement that Atheism dos not mean "not religious". As you yourself pointed out, Atheism translates as "without god", not "without religion". Buddhism is a religion that does not believe in a god. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 16:08, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

Still, wouldn't it be wrong to call Abstergo's religion atheism? Abstergo is the main front of the modern Templars, but it's still just a part of the Templar Order, and in the Templars page it is said that they are non-religious, so why Abstergo is non-religious too? I don't think there is somewhere that says that Abstergo represent a specific religious ideia like atheism or buddhism, even if some members are atheists like Vidic, but it's just some members, not an entire company. So i think there shouldn't even have a specific religion as it is not stated that Abstergo is atheist, buddhist or anything else besides being a Templar company. So i would even suggest changing this page and the Templars page form atheist/non-religious to various, just like in the Assassins page, as there are some Templars who believe in a god, like Antonio Maffei, that templar cardinal who run away from Ezio in the lair of romulus mission at the vatican district, Rodrigo Borgia was deist, as he didn't believed in the biblical god but believed that god was in the vault and etc. What do you guys think? -- BOS 00:27, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

Abstergo - Johnson and Johnson

The real life pharmaceutical Company, Johnson & Johnson, has a lot in common with abstergo.

One of the biggest international pharmaceutical companies in the world.

Over 230 subsidiary holdings.

Uses the Red Cross as their company Symbol. (J&J does; Abstergo doesn't, but the Red Cross is the symbol used by the Templars.)

J&J are the Templars and the Carpenters are the Assassin's. This is just a joke, but I do find it pretty interesting.-- SomeGuy 19:36, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

Revamp

Maybe I can find the inspiration to do this myself later on but for anyone who feels himself addressed, if the history section could be just completely written and split into less sections that would be very much appreciated. Quite a bit of info is still missing as well, like the founding. Also have less unrelated images. -- Master Sima Yi _Clogs ^{Marvel Studios} 15:56, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

I could give it a shot, if'n you don't mind. AOHistSupport 15:59, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

If you know it's entire history, go ahead. -- Master Sima Yi _Clogs ^{Marvel Studios} 16:03, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

I've got a draft of the re-written history section, if you'd like to take a look at it. It is located here. AOHistSupport 20:14, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

Religion: Atheists?

Hey,

I think "Religion: Atheists" is wrong, it's a large company and not all employees are templars, they have different religions.

Subjekt 13 (talk) 16:23, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

I've removed that particular field completely. Even "non-religious" as it is now, is open to arguement. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 21:04, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

Trivia section

Trivia section

In Latin the phrase "abs tergo" also means "from behind". 85.235.216.2 12:05, June 28, 2013 (UTC)

Montreal Facility

In an interview/showcase they showed the screenshots for the facility in AC4 and an employee of UBI said it will be set in Montreal

And? We've known that for months now. --Kainzorus Prime ^{Walkie-talkie} 20:28, September 19, 2013 (UTC)

Don't Think This is That Accurate

I was just reading up on Abstergo, and yes I know this is a fictional wiki site, however I am deeply concerned with the lack of accuracy in the history on some of the pages. Claiming capitalism was set up by the Templars and communism was supposed to be some Assassin idea? Anywho, read up on the definitions of capitalism and communism. Communism would have been a Templar attempt to control everyone in the world under a blanket of "Peace and Equality" whilst capitalism/democracy would have been the biggest threat to their peace, probably set up by the Assassin Order in an attempt to allow freedom from a restrictive government.

I guess I always thought of the Templar vs. Assassins rivalry as a big question of "What would you rather: World Peace, or Total Freedom?"

I also don't like the whole putting Democrats and Republicans against eachother in a fight of Democrats = Assassins and Republicans = Templars, because historically and factually this is absolutely not the case.

Obama is a Templar btw ;D

And so was Bush...and Clinton...and over half the other people in the Government. Controlling screw-balls. Tisk-tisk.

Heck I could be reading it wrong and everything I just said should be the case is actually the case, and if that is true than I apologize.

74.235.21.239 21:46, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

Any and all information on this website is taken directly from the games, and is sourced accordingly. Capitalism was invented by the Templars to control the working public, and communism was not an Assassin idea, but the Assassins helped install a communist government in Russia because that's what the people wanted. The Assassins and Templars aren't black and white / simply left-wing and right-wing. They're also neither Democrats or Republicans (they're not even all American). If you are doubting the accuracy of this information, I would advise you to take a closer look at the Rifs and the Encyclopedia. None of the information on this page is fan-fiction. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 21:50, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

I would just like to ask a clarifying question; are you saying that, since you don't like the way Abstergo are portrayed (and as such, the article is at odds with your opinion), the article is clearly inaccurate? --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 11:02, December 16, 2013 (UTC)

A Rite?

Would Abstergo Industries be counted as a Rite of the Templar Order?Hugues de Payens (talk) 04:56, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

It's a multi-national corporation, Hugues. Rites that we've seen have always been localized, extending their influence in one specific area. Abstergo Industries likely has branches everywhere, so I don't see how it can be considered a "Rite". Crook ^{The Constantine District} 13:45, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

Kilkerman and Liman

This is an ongoing discussion.

Putting this here since both men are Abstergo staff. Maybe I missed something, but how do we know that the pics of Kilkerman and Liman are of them? The AC1 Guide names them because the cutscene doesn't show them clearly, but the art book doesn't identify who is who, since they're presented in a trio of unnamed male staff. A man with Kilkerman's beard is in Uprising's Inner Sanctum meeting, but unless he's named in it or his facial features are described in his other appearance in Heresy, it's just Some Guy. Meanwhile, Liman effectively has a cameo and disappears forever. – Darman (talk) 20:05, 25 September 2025 (UTC)