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Important stuff from the tE.G2.0

I'd like to add some paragraphs coming from the tE.G2.0. I have the Spanish version so I translated them to English as best as I could. These should give us an understanding about how it handles concepts regarding these characters.

CHAPTER 3

1. Before the Brotherhood: "The fight between freedom and control it dates back to a past very far away. The Brotherhood and the Templar Order have their roots in different historical events and in the decisions of ancestral figures, many of them being members of civilizations like Ancient Greece and Ancient Egypt. These people, groups and significant events influenced in the development of convictions that ended up becoming in what we know as Assassins and Templars."
2. End of the Golden Age: "The conflict between order and chaos as always existed; the need one another, generating a delicate balance. The first hint of the origins of the values and actions that would lead to the creation of the Brotherhood it dates back aprox. in year 465. b.c.e, with Darius, a persian assassin (EDITOR'S NOTE: The "assassin" word is not written with the capital A in the book). Darius killed King Xerxes I by using a blade attached to his forearm that could extend and retract into a sheath, the first recorded use of a tool that would be known as the hidden blade."# Kassandra: "Kassandra was a proto-Assassin, since her state of activity was before the formation of the Brotherhood. Her values was family, free will and the belief that humanity deserved to take their own choices. These values were in consonance with the ones that would manifest centuries later in the Brotherhood."
3. The Hidden Ones: "Aya took the alliance of Cleopatra with Rome as a disloyalty to what Aya herself considered most valued: the security and freedom of Egypt and its people. She discovered the evil that the Order represented, the hidden comrades that worked in the shadows to manipulate power instead of working for the betterment of the people of Egypt, were also in Rome and beyond. The compromise that Aya and Bayek with their objectives and their ethics decisions about how to take the Order out, took them to establish a new structure. So the Hidden Ones were born, an organization based in a code of shared ideals who would transform in the Assassin Brotherhood."

CHAPTER 4

1. The Assassin Brotherhood: "Although the roots of their ideals that would ended up being the seed of the Brotherhood dates back to antiquity, the origins of the organization and its Creed as we know it were established in Ancient Egypt, when Bayek of Siwa and Aya of Alexandria founded the Hidden Ones. Another prominent person whom the Brotherhood claims as ancestor is Iltani of Babylon, who murdered Alexander the Great in 323 b.c.e."
2. The Assassin's Creed: "The essence of the Brotherhood's philosophy is coded in the Three Precepts of the Assassins which are based in the rules Bayek and Aya established for the Hidden Ones."
3. Free Will, not chaos: "Free will doesn't imply the absence of consequences or of morality. It's rather the contrary; the Precepts require a deep level of auto discipline and ethic consideration and respect for other cultures, points of view and beliefs, in addition to accepting that it's not flawless."
4. The Hidden Blade, the iconic weapon: "[...] Aya received the one used by Darius to kill Xerxes and gave it to Bayek. Later, she acquired her very own. THe Hidden Blade became the iconic weapon of the Hidden Ones."
5. Back to the Shadows: "Under orders of Hassan-i Sabbah (1050 - 1124), the Levant Assassins were known publicly to inspire people to fight against opression. A century later, the Mongol forces attacked the Brotherhood as revenge for their participation in the death of Genghis Khan in 1227."

CHAPTER 5

1. The Templar Order: "Just like the Assassin Brotherhood, the origins of the Templar Order is shrouded in mystery. According to a foundational legend, Cain, one of Adam's and Eve's children, was one of their ancestors. He killed his brother not out of jealousy, but to acquire his PoE. Some refer to the symbol of the Order, as the Mark of Cain. The Templar Order has its roots in secret organizations of the past, like the Order of Ancients in Ancient Egypt, and other places. Previously, the fall of the Cult of Kosmos in Ancient Greece was a catalyst for the Order to establish a strong presence there after the end of the Peloponnesian War.".

Answer to Cyfiero's question

Cyfiero summarized my thoughts very well in the list, so no problem there. I'd like to see how it will be implemented (in both writing and categorization) once it's decided.

Now, answering to Cyfiero's question: "Does this mean that henceforth, we should in fact be referring to Darius, Iltani, and Wei Yu as Assassins again—not just the Hidden Ones—provided that we explain clearly in the article that they preceded the founding of the Hidden Ones/Assassins and were regarded as Assassins posthumously?" I'd say yes to this. This way Zero's proposal works perfectly and every IU document calling them Assassins would still be correct because it was the Assassins themselves who honored them with that title. How? It's unknown and we can't be certaint about it. but we can deduce when: In Domenico's time when he founded Villa Auditore and/or built the Sanctuary, very after Altaïr's order to expand the Brotherhood, OR in Hassan-I Sabbah's time. Why? The very appearance of the "Assassin" word "blows the whistle" IMO. Do you understand my point? All of them made posthumously. After all, they were all dead so they didn't have any choice in the matter. Ironic, isn't it? And from that moment, all members of the Brotherhood around the globe started mentioning them as Assassins, not only inspirations for the Brotherhood itself, but also as honorary members... dead members.

Is it possible to ask Patrice about this? Or to one of the writers?