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Ancients and Templar split
This is an ongoing discussion.May as well start this. While we have just finished a discussion on the Order of the Ancients' talk page about whether they are separate from the Templars (they are, they had a brief window when they both existed independently, and are more akin to the Isu-worshipping later Instruments of the First Will), some Ancients like Kings Arthur and Alfred have ideological overlap with the Templars. Meanwhile, Sol notes that, "The Golden Turtles' exact relationship with either has never been confirmed. They're only referred to as relating to "the Order", without specification, and we've only been inferring that it is broadly the Templars and calling them the Order of the Ancients due to time period". I believe(?) some Valhalla devs said that the Ancients are intentionally meant to be early Templars in all but name, though I could be mistaken, but there's the issue of belief differences again.
Clay Kaczmarek's old glyph/rifts add more mess, since they speak of Templars before the knightly order's public founding, there's no official line demarking who is Ancient or Templar (such minutiae is below Ubi's concerns, really), and as Sol said, I feel we have been treating any Assassin-opposed group as Ancients so long as they date to pre-1000s CE. Do we take everyone's beliefs on case-by-case basis to determine their placement? And who are we to decide? This site has accidentally canonized a few things before. We know devs, actors, and authors have turned to pages here to try and make sense of/refresh on the world they're entering. If we mess up sorting something here, what could that do? – Darman (talk) 01:05, 9 October 2024 (UTC)