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Nothing about living Connor's memories?

Should something be added on stating that at some point Desmond relived Connor's memories using the Animus 3.0? CrackFoxJunior 16:16, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

It's not needed until more information on AC3 is announced, particularly Desmond gameplay. Slate Vesper 16:18, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Infobox image

Copypaste, since the other got archived mid-discussion.

Since some of the character pages like Ezio or Altaïr had their images reverted from their latest look in games to the ones that they're most commonly associated with, should Desmond's image be changed back to his previous appearance image, without a beard and in the Brotherhood clothes? --Kainzorus Prime ^{Walkie-talkie} 18:32, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Personally I would prefer the older image because the ACR one looks like Desmond saw a ghost. Do you think this should be put to a vote or is this too trivial topic to warrant such a thing. -- ► Kaloneous ◄ _{♣^HelpDesk♣} 18:40, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

I'd put it on a vote, lest someone would rage about it. --Kainzorus Prime ^{Walkie-talkie} 18:57, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

More then likely the image will be changed for the AC3 one so it would only be a short term thing anyways. -- ► Kaloneous ◄ _{♣^HelpDesk♣} 19:10, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

The only reason Altaïr and Ezio got the appearances they are depicted as in the Encyclopedia is because their stories are finished, they won't get any more new appearances. Desmond will surely look like this in AC3 which is why we are using this render. -- Master Sima Yi _Clogs ^{Marvel Studios} 19:16, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

The current image is fine. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 20:17, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Current image's fine, until Ubisoft has a new one for ACIII.. --VATSA (TALK • GENTEK) 02:17, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Fair's fair. --Kainzorus Prime ^{Walkie-talkie} 19:17, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

Name etymology

The trivia section says "Desmond" is a "Celtic" name meaning "the world"/"man of the world". I don't think this is true, especially because 'Celtic' isn't a language. My understanding is that it's originates from the Irish language surname Ó Deasmumhan (Oh Dasmoon) or similar meaning "from South of Munster". I don't want to remove it immediately because maybe I am incorrect here but does anybody have a source for "the world" that gives proper detail? Preferably one that isn't a baby-names site where they make up the etymology?

I believe there is an Old Irish word 'domun' (modern Irish and Scottish Gaelic 'domhan') which looks similar but that probably would have sounded like "dow-un" or "doon". I know it's a fairly minor point (although you might point out that both Desmond and Connor (that extra n is so American) are both Irish language names). 86.41.22.0 00:34, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

it is a Gaelic name meaning Man of the World. Where such meaning comes from can be determined by those who study linguistics but it is a commonly referred to meaning. ► Kaloneous ◄ _{♣^HelpDesk♣} 14:24, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think it is the commonly referred to meaning. Wikipedia and wiktionary for Desmond supports its meaning as referring to South Munster as does Behindthename and quite a few other sites. It seems like "Desmond" to mean "of the world" is a bogus pop etymology which tries to read it as French "des monde" which clearly makes no sense for an Irish name. The only places that give a supported etymology agree that it means South Munster - moreover its links to Thomond and Ormond meaning North Munster and East Munster respectively. I think there's way more of case here for "from south Munster" than "Man of the World" (which seems pretty bogus given the modern Irish equivalents, I don't think Irish vocabulary has changed that much since Middle Irish) 86.41.33.100 17:09, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

lol, looking at your ip address I can see we are not to far apart geographically so I understand the logic of what you are saying. I'm sorry I don't have the link for this but it was a Ubisoft developer working on the series that first explained his name in that way. They looked at it from a world view rather than the way we (correctly or not) look at it from its origins in Gaelic. ► Kaloneous ◄ _{♣^HelpDesk♣} 17:31, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Well if that was their intended meaning then I suppose that's fair enough even if I think it might have been a mistake. 86.44.194.199 01:40, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Des (of) Mond (world). Seems similar to french if you ask me. CRRPGMykael (talk) 16:13, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

Desmond forgets some details

In Desmond's journey, we learn that Desmond knew Abstergo is a Templar's society. But in Assassin's Creed, Desmond was amazed when Lucy said he was a templar's hostage.Francesco75 (talk) 14:15, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Same thing as with the fact he tells her he didn't use his real name before, but when Abstergo agent addresses him by it in Desmond's Journey, he immediately confirms it. --Kainzorus Prime ^{Walkie-talkie} 14:22, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Well, Desmond believed that his parents were conspiracy theorist concerning Abstergo and the Templar. It was one of the reason why he decided to run from the compound and make his own life. Note, that his parents did not explicitly state that Abstergo was a templar front - they kept most of the truth from him - which was another frustrating reason why he decided to run from the nutjobs.

Desmond: So this was it. The global conspiracy, Abstergo. Fingers in every pie. Governments. Corporations. Universities. Mom and dad made it sound so scary. But it didn't FEEL scary. An enemy has to have a face. But all I could see was a bottle of painkillers. Dinale (talk) 14:28, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it is possible that Desmond did not believe in the link between the two because he thought his parents were nuts, or he simply already forgot all about it by that point. As for his name, it's most likely a retcon, but if you want to look for a canonically correct explanation it would be that Desmond didn't use his name to sign anything or on any other official document that could be traced back to him, but did simply go by his own name among friends and other people. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 15:15, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Why can't it let me edit this page? I just finished ACIII and I have all the pictures for the ending sequence with Desmond. I really want to edit this because the game came out already and nothing has been edited yet! Stepm844 (talk) 02:51, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

And I bet all your pictures are of horrible console quality. Plus no spoilers are allowed yet. --Kainzorus Prime ^{Walkie-talkie} 02:54, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

Something's wrong with the infobox

Desmond did not die, but the infobox on the page says he did. --Gauzz Rifle

You'll see...just play to the ending. Whackimus Prime

Knock Out?

Are You Sure He Died Did He Just Got Knocked Out? Its ?Ubisolf Planning On Another Assassin's Cree Game Just Like How They Did Assassin's Creed II A New Assassin or The End Desmond Did Kill The Templars And Vidic Maybe Others Are Still Out There i Wanna to See More Connor Kenway —unsigned comment by ZombieLionel (talk · contr)

Yes, he died. Juno and Minerva pointed that out as well. Alex and others confirmed numerous times that Assassin's Creed III would be the end of Desmond's story. There will be more games, with a different protagonist. And yes, Desmond killed Vidic, Daniel and a lot of Abstergo agents. They are a lot more Templars out there, and as you could hear William say, their deaths would barely have made an impact on the Templar Order. The Assassins and Templars will never be gone; even if you kill them all, their ideologies will live on, and new members will arise. As for Connor (not Kenway), we may see more of him, with a different protagonist. It's already speculated that there's another person inside the Animus at the end, with that unknown man talking. Even though at the end Connor is pretty much crippled and can't do much anymore. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 20:46, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

How is Connor crippled? Do you mean physically or figuratively? If it's the ladder, then I understand. The Revolution is done and over with, and now the Americans can deal with their problems on their home soil, e.g, the Natives, the slaves, laws and policies....TranquilTempest^{Qu'est-ce que c'est?} 21:16, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, physically. In the final missions Connor has a lot of trouble walking because of his wound. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 21:17, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

They never actually said it would kill him.They tiptoed around that word.All we know about the "pedestal" is that when Desmond touched it It released Juno.Besides It wouldnt be the first time someone has died and come back as a program or something. 69.138.40.134 03:12, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

Juno said it would be painless. If she came outright and told him, "Your death will be painless", then Desmond would have said "Forget this!"...And Sima, I saw what you were talking about....I guess it never really healed properly, but I don't see how it would affect his ability to walk...Well, anyway, Connor is done as an Assassin unless he finds the Shroud and heals his ailment. He was the Assassin's prize stallion; what do you do with a lame horse? You retire it, or you kill it. Now he's like Achilles. TranquilTempest^{Qu'est-ce que c'est?} 03:23, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

I suspect he'll get better (Monty Python, anyone? No? Tough crowd, you Yanks). Now, all jokes aside, I suspect he'll be resurrected via Juno or a machine down there. Just call it a feeling. If not, I wouldn't be terribly surprised. It's not uncommon for game-makers to build up your hopes, with a "oh, yeah, come on home after all of this" kinda chat with the pops (voiced by John De Lancie, who shares my hometown and usually plays an awesome, if somehow bizarre villain). That said, it didn't feel dead to me? If that makes any sense? Also, I suspect one of the DLC packs will related to it, in the same way we had the DLC pack for Revelations that surrounded going through... Subject 16, if I recall? Can't recall perfectly, too long ago.
Karl "13621" Mjolnir 07:47, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

Personally, I think a more likely outcome is he'll get Clay'd - and come back as a virtual construct inside the Animus for the next guy to meet. The glowing arm tattoo at the end of Revelations wasn't mentioned for this reason I believe. --Kainzorus Prime ^{Walkie-talkie} 10:21, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

Even though it happened, I can't believe Ubisoft went that route. The whole "perpetual cycle broken by a savior's sacrifice" is just cliche considering a game that was released earlier this year.

Not to mention it throws canonicity to the wind, and it makes training Desmond look like a complete waste. Slate Vesper (talk) 10:40, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

Connor is crippled? Hmm I suspect when he heals from his injury he might end up like Achilles with a cain. He will probably retire and sire the next ancestor. Forsaken is supposed to end his story with who he has children with and when he dies. I think Desmond will show up possibly in holographic form like the First Civ people, Ubisoft likes to mindfuck and he´ll help the next protagonist save the world . Kryptonian25 (talk) 13:49, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

Desmond will probably, as Kain and Krypto says, become the next 16. But whatever happened to lay? And who will Connor train now? Hoodie

So let me get it straight: Desmond was barbecued, Connor is crippled, William and co. escaped from the Grand Temple, the revolution ended, the world was saved, and Juno is the new ruler of the world?!

Thanks a lot, Ubisoft, you noobs! Crappy ending... -_- -- ILan (XD • Edits • Home ) 14:46, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

"But you will be destroyed!" "It will happen in an instant. There will be no pain." How exactly do that not refer to death? This is his last game, his story is closed. They won't drag him on, they have said this numerous times. How exactly would he become an AI construct in the Animus after he is dead? Clay copied his consciousness, turned it into an AI and placed it in the Animus somehow before his death, it didn't magically happen afterwards. And Juno doesn't rule anything yet. We haven't see her get out of the temple even. If something is not seen in the games, it may just as well not have happened. I suppose the new overarching modern day plot will now be Juno trying to take over humanity, replacing the solar flare plot. I don't know why people just think that she walks out of that temple and bam, she automatically rules the world like there's no effort involved. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 15:13, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

I still wonder one thing, though. Didn't Ubi say that they'd develop and explain more of Clay in AC3? Pretty much almost no mention at all of him. The Supreme Diamond-Hooded Eagle (Hey!) 15:19, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

I wouldn´t rule everything Simi, he touched the orb he could have very well transferred his consciousness into there and become part of the Grand Temple. Kryptonian25 (talk) 16:20, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

That's not transferring his consciousness into the Animus. And uh, nope, they didn't say they were gonna expand more on Clay. I know that they wanted his story to have ended in Revelations. Clay is dead, his AI consciousness copy is destroyed. He's gone. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 16:21, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

Assassin's creed 3

Should we not add the Assassin's creed 3 information to the arcticle?Templar king (talk) 21:14, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

All in due time. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 16:32, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

Rebirth?

At The End He Said Rebirth Chances of coming Back Reborn in The Future? and Plans For Another Assassin's Creed III Like Brotherhood?

We do know at least one POE that does resurrrection: the Ankh, though it says it's temporary. Could there be one that isn't? Just speculating here. Nixeu (talk) 17:05, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

"We can rebuild him, we have the technology." --Kainzorus Prime ^{Walkie-talkie} 02:14, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

Kain, you're hilarious. XD TranquilTempest^{Qu'est-ce que c'est?} 02:19, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

I have my moments. --Kainzorus Prime ^{Walkie-talkie} 02:22, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

That joke is seriously old, but I'll pitch in with "I'll be back" surely you know the reference... Supreme Master Assassin^{O Mentoras} 22:29, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

One big question... how can Conor's memories be relived if Desmond is dead? The Ending pointed Juno as the enemy. AC IV will probably be about Juno enslaving the world. I hope Desmond isn't gone forever. But how can Conor's memories be relived after Desmond's death? EagleAssassin13 (talk) 22:40, November 5, 2012 (UTC)