Talk:Templar leader

Not an actual title

I don't think this is an actual title. :/ Yes there are leaders of the Templars, or Templar leaders, but that's just more of a description, not the name of a rank in itself. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 20:28, March 30, 2017 (UTC)

"The position of Templar leader was given to any member of the Templar Order who had received leadership over a Templar Rite." Even just looking at this line, this is the exact description given to the rank of Grand Master in Assassin's Creed: The Essential Guide. It is sourced to Assassin's Creed: Encyclopedia, can someone confirm if this is true? Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 20:40, March 30, 2017 (UTC)

And most of the Templar leaders we know of are either a Grand Master or Master Templar. So there's a 50/50 chance regarding their rank should they ever be brought up again. Like Ahmet, a Templar leader until he was confirmed to be the Grand Master of the Byzantine Rite.--ACsenior (talk) 20:44, March 30, 2017 (UTC)

Can you clarify what you mean, like your overall point? Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 20:47, March 30, 2017 (UTC)

The thing is that not all Templar leaders were explicitly identified as Grand Master or Master Templar. Sylvester II and James Wardrop, for example, were never identified as anything other than leaders. Similarly, Basilisk was basically the de facto Grand Master of the Levantine Rite, even though he never officially held the actual title. This article, along with Assassin leader, mostly exists to fill in that gray area in which we're never told whether a leader held any other rank. All Grand Masters are leaders, but not all leaders are Grand Masters. The Wikia Editor (talk) 00:23, March 31, 2017 (UTC)

But those are either de facto leaders, or high-ranking Templars whose official rank and title are unknown. I think that it's no different from having a list of leaders of the United States in Wikipedia, but including with it not just its presidents and vice presidents, but also all its cabinet members, all its senators, representatives, governors, etc. They're all "American leaders" of varying ranks. It might make sense as a category, but I don't think it would make sense to have an article named "American leader", which is purely descriptive. It's not an actual rank or title. The Assassin leader article itself is the product of an error stemming from past editors thinking there's a distinction between a "Grand Master of the Assassins" and the "Mentor of the Assassins". Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 22:31, March 30, 2017 (UTC)

While I do agree that there is a lot of overlap and the fact that the Assassin leader article is the product of an error. But I'm not entirely sure it's as clear cut as that. I think the "American leaders" analogy is kinda flawed, because we're not talking about listing everyone whose in charge of something (which is why I didn't include the members of the Inner Sanctum, apart from Alan Rikkin, who was apparently identified as a Grand Master in the Movie Novel). We're talking about specific individuals who were explicitly identified as leading Templar Rites but whose rank is never specified beyond "leader". Not all Templar leaders were Grand Masters either. We don't know if James Wardrop's promotion to leadership, for example, also included him becoming a Master Templar. The Wikia Editor (talk) 00:45, March 31, 2017 (UTC)