Talk:Jacques de Molay's advisor

Killed in 1307

The fact that we can play as this fellow seems to suggest that he was not actually killed in 1307, just heavily wounded. (Genetic memories being passed on, and all that.) --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 13:46, November 29, 2014 (UTC)

Or the thing we saw is a recollection of muliple samples made by Abstergo. Imagine they collected de Carneillon's memories.. Nihil Verum. Omnia Licita 08:44, November 30, 2014 (UTC) 08:44, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

Even if Abstergo got their hands on De Carneillon's memories, it doesn't change the fact that they would have had to extract the Templar's from an ancestor; one who had to have been born after October 13,1307. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 13:56, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

Correct. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 15:26, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

I think they recovered the Templar's remains, and extract the memories from them. I think know they can, like with Desmond and Clay's bodies. Lorenzo.ladogana (talk) 02:16, December 7, 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure what this means, but apparently we can view someone's entire life now. --Crimson Knight _Intercom 17:47, December 7, 2014 (UTC)

I've browsed some of Darby's tweets, but it's not very clear to me. It sounds like Abstergo has managed to move past the conception barrier. But at the same time, Darby says that this French Templar's death was an edit, to make the moment more exciting. He was a minor character anyway - for more important characters, it appears it would be made explicitly clear when an edit was made for dramatic effect.

I understand wanting to move past this "sex scene" as the point where we transfer to the next individual in the ancestral line, but god, it makes everything so hard to define. Nothing seems consistent anymore... Crook ^{The Constantine District} 18:01, December 7, 2014 (UTC)

The only way I can see this happening is if you physically have a piece of that person's DNA and have sequenced it. But it's a bit beyond me to believe that Abstergo are going out graverobbing as a corporate hobby for every single individual who piques their notice. It would make the harvesting of people's DNA through the blood vials pointless.

If it's meant to be some hand-wavey retcon bullshit about the conception barrier, then no, I don't believe for one second that it's possible. You relive another person's memories through the Surrogate Initiative until they conceive the next in the blood line. Just because you're not the original descendant, it doesn't make you special enough to break pre-established rules. And in all fairness, why would Abstergo want to see Jacques de Molay through someone else's eyes if they could get de Molay's full DNA sequenced anyway? Slate Vesper (talk) 21:26, December 7, 2014 (UTC)

Nope, the "Conception barrier" is still there. Recently, somebody asked  Darby what Jasca asked, and Darby said that Abstergo manipulated the memory. (As usual, since it was a public Helix playable "Chapter") Why did Abstergo "Killed" the Advisor if he truly didnt die? A Mistery... I think we should change the trivia section and add what i said. i will try to find the Tweet. DipsonDP (talk) 06:14, August 4, 2015 (UTC)

Rename

Given how the memory select screen narrated by Harry Standjofski identifies the guy as "Jacques de Molay's advisor", and given that we have Armand Bouchart's agent page, I'd suggest moving this to "Jacques de Molay's advisor". Sounds a bit better and slightly more precise than French Templar (1307). --Kainzorus Prime ⚜ ^{Walkie-talkie} 16:53, December 8, 2014 (UTC)

Yay

1. --Kainzorus Prime ⚜ ^{Walkie-talkie} 16:53, December 8, 2014 (UTC)
2. Sounds good. --Crimson Knight _Intercom 17:49, December 8, 2014 (UTC)
3. No objections. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 17:53, December 8, 2014 (UTC)
4. --Bovkaffe (talk) 18:06, December 8, 2014 (UTC)
5. Yay. Nay. One of those. Stormbeast ♉ ^{The Helpful Place} 20:46, December 8, 2014 (UTC)

Trivia

I'm thinking the second entry, considering François-Thomas Germain, should be omitted. Unless specifically stated, and to my recollection it hasn't been, that Germain's DNA couldn't be harvested due to decomposition, I think it has more to do with the fact Arno placed the bones in the Parisian catacombs. That's a labyrinth of bones from hundreds/thousands of other people. Trying to find one person's would be impossible, unless there was some sort of physical landmark that would help you find it. Stormbeast ♉ ^{The Helpful Place} 00:20, January 10, 2015 (UTC)

That is perhaps the most likely outcome. I will remove that section now, given that I recall a snippet somewhere of how they've successfully sequenced genomes from much further back than the 1800s. Slate Vesper (talk) 00:47, January 10, 2015 (UTC)