Talk:Callum Lynch

Descendant of Arno

This is gonna come up in the future, so I figure we might as well try to lay the issue to rest here. One of the projections at the end is obviously Arno, what with his trademark tunic/jacket/whatever it is. From this, I feel like we're meant to conclude Arno is an ancestor of Cal, yes? In the novelization too, Sophia describes the figures she sees, with one being "a French revolutionist".

Jasca, you feel it's too speculative to say so on Cal's article. Care to elaborate why? Crook ^{The Constantine District} 13:22, January 5, 2017 (UTC)

Does Sophia, in the novelisation, say "That's Arno Dorian"? She certainly doesn't say it in the movie, so unless she does, his name shouldn't be in the article at all. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 13:33, January 5, 2017 (UTC)

No, she doesn't literally say it. Still, why would they throw in an Assassin dressed like Arno if they didn't want us to conclude that it is Arno? This really doesn't seem all that far of a stretch to me :s Crook ^{The Constantine District} 13:48, January 5, 2017 (UTC)

Sourcing policy requires, and always has required, explicit confirmation before something can be added to an article. Until such confirmation is provided, Arno names should not be in the main body of the article. Feel free to add it as trivia, if you so wish. - Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 20:16, January 5, 2017 (UTC)

I'd like to throw in my opinion and say that Arno being Cal's ancestor should be on the wiki. You'd be hard-pressed to prove that he's not considering all the proof, and part of life is making inferences. If everything had to be 100% confirmed before we wrote anything on this wiki, it would be nigh empty Monsieurdorito (talk) 00:23, January 6, 2017 (UTC)  

Why wouldn't Arno be his ancestor when both Mary Lynch and Hubert Marchand were in that vision ? (btw I can't remember if Cal was still plugged into the Animus at that point, was he ?) —Touloir, Master Pisspot, French AC wikia admin 02:31, January 6, 2017 (UTC)

Wait, let me get this straight. Has there ever been any source that has explicitly said that Arno is the ancestor of Callum, or the ancestor of Mary Lynch? Because that's a different matter than whether or not Arno appeared in the vision. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 02:51, January 6, 2017 (UTC)

No - I think people seized on the "ancestor of Mary Lynch" because Aguilar is one as well. But Arno could be an ancestor of either Mary or Joseph, really. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 11:02, January 6, 2017 (UTC)

Short answer: no. But as far as I can remember, Callum only sees Aguilar/his ancestors when suffering a Bleeding Effect. Not their environment – including surrounding people. So did Desmond. So I think it's fair to assume that all these Assassins were Cal's ancestors. Unless, of course, if Cal was still plugged in. —Touloir, Master Pisspot, French AC wikia admin 03:00, January 6, 2017 (UTC)

This is a blockbuster movie and scenarists for such movies are not known for their subtility, if there is a guy described as a French Revolution Assassin in the Novel who is dressed as Arno in the Movie, then it doesn't seems too far-fetched to conclude that the guy is indeed Arno Dorian.

In the Novel, while talking to herself, Sophia identified the group of Assassins dubbing Callum as his ancestors. Regarding Arno being the ancestor of Mary, it make more sense that Arno is in fact the ancestor of Joseph, since the Templars had Joseph put into the Animus at some point and access to Arno's memories prior to Callum capture, using it to make a game. Maxattac (talk) 03:09, January 6, 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure if Arno's memories were ever made into a game - regardless, Abstergo Entertainment already got hold of them via a descendant from Montreal. They would not have needed Joseph for that. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 11:02, January 6, 2017 (UTC)