Talk:Cain
In connection to Cain Killing Abel, it could also be likely that Those who Came Before (I think we can assume they are the figure that is often spoken of as God throughout the Bible) actually Exiled Cain after he Killed Abel for making the offering (possibly a peace offering as Adam and Eve would certainly be being chased to get the Apple back (return the apple for their Freedom?)) Due to the non-use of the Control Neurones they may have become non essential. If one of Cain's descendants was Altair then this would explain his Immunity to the Apple's mind controlling powers.
- How I read it was that Adam and Eve stole the Piece of Eden (probably the one Templars refer too as PE1 - the Apple) as they where immune to the effects (possible because they where possibly hybrids of humans and Those Who Came Before). I think Adam and Eve's line eventually produced Adam and Eve, and probably some of the other assassins (several other assassins seemed immune in AC1 as they helped Altair). But this is just interfered at the time of writing. However, Cain was the first templar according to Subject 16, killing Able (or someone like Able) to steal PE1 from him, so we can assume thats true; further still, the Morman version of Cain is said to have been adapted from Templar documents, so we can assume the Morman Cain is very close to the real Cain. --87.113.37.206 10:35, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
Adam and Eve stole a PoE, there was a war, they both had kids, abel and cain were born, abel somehow got a PoE, cain wanted it, Cain killed Abel and got the piece of eden, he was given a mark as punishment for his homicide by those who came before, who are mistaken for called Gods, and cain used this mark to start the templars to get more PoE. Done
Nobody's really sure who the templar leader is in the present (Desmond's time) maybe the director of abstergo. I think it is possibilly Cain is. Think about it first, we can assume Cain created templars or at least was the first. Second, The bible says God made him "imortal" (don't see how this works out in assasins creed though. But "The Ones That Came Before" were technologically advanced). Third, hes related to Adam and Eve so its posible he imune to the apple effects. Fourth, he had a piece of eden (apple) so he could easily attract followers. I think hes been hiding in the shadows. He could even be the voice in AC1 right after sequence 5 or one of the people in the meeting room on the Abstergo page.
Cain is one of the two sons of Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve had 3 sons don't forget Seth.
I do not think Mormons are Templars's books, I think They are assassins.
According To the LDS Church, not Adam and Eve did not commit by eating the fruit without, Even God Intended Them to do so. And the fruit of Eden is seen as the core of Knowledge and free will.
Adam, in this religion, was transformed into the Archangel Gabriel, and is also known as the Ancient of days.
And Mahan means "master of this great secret." The title was Given to Cain to discover how to kill for Their Own benefit.
It speaks well of Adam and Eve. And Cain negatively. 186.133.63.7 23:55, October 26, 2011 (UTC)
I agree. Because the glyph contradicts itself. According to the Glyph, Joseph Smith translated the texts according to Templar desires. The problem is... it reveals Cain as a Templar. Don't the Templars want to remain a secret? Why then are they supporting a translation that then reveals their intentions to get the PoEs by theft and murder? It doesn't make sense. Also, to correct you, Anon, Adam is the Archangel Michael, not Gabriel. Gabriel is Noah. ;) Aegis RunestoneSpeak to me 23:48, June 3, 2012 (UTC)
I've heard about Cain and Abel before, they were brothers were they not? Was it not, Cain who killed Abel out of malicious intent? In actual folklore, Adam and Eve's story revolves around the Garden of Eden and the Tree of Knowledge... or was it the Garden of Hesperades? The main gist of what happened was that Adam and Eve picked from the Tree of Knowledge when they weren't supposed too. There's much lore about this, so I could be stating only one out of hundreds of versions. PS: You might want to tone down on the Mormon beliefs, because the user above me happens to be affiliated with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and are predominately considered Christian which is one of the oldest religious creeds in the world... topped only by Paganism/Wicca. PPS: The Garden of Hesperades housed the Tree of Immortality which was one of the destinations visted by Heracles during his Twleve Labours, where he tricked Atlas into picking a Golden Apple for him as he was immortal and Heracles was only a demigod (half-god and half-mortal) and Heracles held up the sky for him for a short time. I have excessive knowledge on Greek Mythology so if anyone has any questions regarding the myths/lores, don't be afraid to leave me a message on my talk page which you can get to by clicking on the corresponding "IL Mentori" on my wiki signature ---------> Supreme Master AssassinIL Mentori 02:02, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
Also, I'd like to add that it also doesn't make sense for the Templars to use the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as front. If they used it in Joseph Smith's time, then why? The Church was HATED in that time period and Joseph was martyred as a result. Why would the Templars use a church that was so despised as a front? Don't they want to be respected so they can gain control of the people? The Catholic Church was much more respected in Ezio's time, so that's an easy reason to use it as a front. But even in the modern times, the LDS Church is still despised. So, it makes little sense to me, also along with revealing Cain as the first Templar through the JST, that the Templars would use the LDS Church as a front for their activities. Regardless, I'm biased because I am a Mormon, but this is my opinion on the matter. Aegis RunestoneSpeak to me 16:47, June 17, 2012 (UTC)
S1monab0m (talk) 23:23, January 12, 2013 (UTC) Since Adam is a distant ancestor to Desmond then so would Cain be. Then he would be another templar ancestor to Desmond, apart from Haytham Kenway.
You're forgetting Seth. Slate Vesper (talk) 10:16, January 13, 2013 (UTC)
Should Seth be mentioned in the relevant articles? As it is, that's not the case; Adam, Eve, Abel, Cain... none of them mention the third son, or his line.
S1monab0m: How do we know Adam's an ancestor to Desmond? He was for Clay, but either I've missed something (likely), or then there is no suggestion that Adam's related to Desmond... Sadelyrate (talk) 12:17, January 13, 2013 (UTC)
Sadelyrate, Adams page says that he was a distant ancestor to Desmond and Clay, and Clay was a distant cousin to Desmond.
Clay and Desmond were 'distant cousins' due to both having Ezio as their however-many-times-great-grandfather. Alas, I cannot check the Game Guide for Revelations, atm, but if it's stated there that Adam's related to Desmond... only a retcon/Encyclopedia'll change that. :) Sadelyrate (talk) 00:03, January 17, 2013 (UTC)
- "But when Subject 16 declares the Assassins to be "children of two worlds" during AC2, he specifically references the rare bloodlines that run through Desmond Miles, Ezio, Altair, and others back to Adam and the genetic union with the First Civilization race." "Desmond is a distant son of Adam, half human and...half god-race." --Taken from the Revelations guide. Stormbeast ♉ The Helpful Place 00:25, January 17, 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you! That can be put to rest, then. :) Sadelyrate (talk) 00:29, January 17, 2013 (UTC)
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According to the last game, before the Order of the Ancients there were just proto-Templars. So I suppose Cain fits in that category. Miracle guy (talk) 08:25, November 10, 2017 (UTC)