User talk:SilverSummoner

Hi, welcome to Assassin's Creed Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Assassin's Creed II page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Richard1990 (Talk) 04:12, 23 June 2009

Template

Woah, nice job with Template:Character Infobox! When I edited it I was just trying to fix it- it was all distorted on my monitor (a tremendous 1920×1080 one). I wasn't trying to do anything like what you did, but nice job! Elecbullet 18:54, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

well.. thanks! ^^ you did a nice job as well by creating and re-wording the articles~ - SilverSummoner^TaLk 04:38, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Template, again

Hi there, uh, I realize now that it appears that Template:Character Infobox was created specifically for the Altaïr article. How many characters in Assassin's Creed worth noting actually have weapons? How many characters' weights do we actually know?

• Al Mualim - four unknowns
• Desmond Miles - two unknowns
• Altaïr - zero unknowns (Was made specifically for him I think)
• Malik - Three unknowns
• Ezio - 2 unknowns

Furthermore, there are other characters (Lucy, Vidic) whose pages could use this template, and they'd have a bunch of

I suggest that we only have six infobox spaces:

• Image
• Image description
• Name
• Faction
• Appears in
• Time period

Because those are the only ones that really matter. We'd have to edit all the pages using it.

"Appears in" would refer to which game. "Time period" refers to 1191, or 2012? − Elecbullet 19:26, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Sure thing. I was going to change it and make it somehow similar to Template:Target Infobox.. but not too sure back then~ ^^;

While we're at it, I think we need a navigation bar as well, no? - SilverSummoner^TaLk 01:58, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Like Template:Assassin's Creed on Wikipedia? I was thinking about doing that myself.

The templates on this wiki really needed work when I got here. All the file licensing templates were white text on white background. Heh. − Elecbullet 02:28, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah sure, like that one. But I think we need to expand it a little... I have some rough ideas on mind..... =D

not only the templates, to be honest.. the categorizing system and the articles need some massive clean up.. xD - SilverSummoner^TaLk 02:37, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

IMPORTANT: When you make the infobox you MUST use consistency in capitalization! It's faction= not Faction=. Correct template:

{{Character Infobox
|image=
|faction=
|imgdesc=
|name=
|appear=
|period=
}}

I fixed the pages for you. Also, I see you went through the articles. Assassin's Creed is set in 1191, but you should use the words "Third Crusade". The purpose of the Period section is to differentiate between characters in 2012 or in the past. − Elecbullet 03:46, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Sure. thanks for the fix and tip. in case you don't realize I'm a human as well, so I made small mistakes sometimes... but you don't have to tell it in an extremely clear way.... =D - 03:53, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Gotcha. I'm trying to figure out this damn parser function. − Elecbullet 04:13, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Template, again

Okay! I think I got it! Using a sandbox template I made, I figured out parser functions. Now, if you leave a parameter blank (i.e. "name= ") the parameter's line will NOT be shown.

This also applies with the image= parameter. If you leave it blank, it will omit the entire image area.

On the right, you can see the infobox with the image= parameter and the period= parameter left blank. The entire part is omitted. If a value is assigned to all parameters, it looks just like the Character Infobox template.

NOTE: If you LEAVE OUT a parameter entirely (delete the "|name=" too) it breaks the infobox. So keep that in mind.

Try it out!

{{X1
|image=
|imgdesc=
|name=
|faction=
|appear=
|period=
}}

Think we should replace the character infobox with this? It's looking pretty promising. − Elecbullet 04:59, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

AC

Holy crapmackerel you've been busy. Nice job with the template! I was expecting something much smaller.

But if I may comment, uhh, the "Terms" section seems a bit unnecessary. It has a lot of terms that seem too minor and unimportant, like Feather, Scholars, Thugs, Vigilantes, and Assassin's Code of conduct (WTF is that? Is that even from the game?!?).

I do realize that you've put a lot of work into this. I just want to comment about that "Terms" section. − Elecbullet 07:01, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Assassin's Code of conduct is kinda weird, though.. I wanted to ask you bout that, since I don't recall seeing that in the game @_@. Well it's clear now.. gotta remove that one.

"Terms" is well... used to describe the terms that appears in the game. ^^; By any chance, are you a wikipedia editor? is it your first time editing wikia? =D - SilverSummoner^TaLk 07:21, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I occasionally edit Wikipedia with the account Elecbullet. But this is the first wikia wiki I've ever contributed much to.

As for terms, I know what it means but it just seems so frivolous... There are some valid things, like Synchronization (which I created btw) but those could go under Gameplay.

Hmm... I see... then you gotta take a look at this =D This is much bigger compared to the one this wiki have xD. And they have around 15+ templates like this....

as for the Terms and Gameplay, then besides synchronization, what other articles do you think should stay under gameplay and terms? - SilverSummoner^TaLk 07:41, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

As for Final Fantasy, I don't play that (played Chocobo's Dungeon 2 on Dreamcast once though) so I have absolutely no idea what any of those terms mean. They do seem more major than the terms in our template, i.e. Save Point as is opposed to Feather.

Remember that you can use the sandbox template instead of worrying about royally screwing up some page. The sandbox template should NOT be placed on any articles though.

As for Terms and Gameplay, here is a quickly-typed guide:

Keep	GTFO	Move
Abstergo Assassins Animus Eagle Vision Genetic memory Investigation Piece of Eden	Blend (too minor) Citizens (redirect to Save Citizens, which is also in list) Cryptic Messages (seems out of place) Emails (too minor) Feather (too minor) Leap of Faith (too minor) Eavesdropping (too minor) Informants (too minor) Interrogation (too minor) Pickpocketing (too minor) Save Citizen (too minor) Scholars (too minor) Thug (too minor) View Points (too minor) Vigilantes (too minor)	Synchronization (gameplay) Social Stealth (gameplay, this article needs work)

By the way you don't have to stay up for me- go get some sleep if it's late! I really should but screw that

Honestly I still don't understand why do you want to keep those things such as the interrogation or pickpocketing plays a big role in the terms. If you think it's minor because of the size of the article, they we just need to expand it. I mean, these terms has their parts and indeed contribute to the game aspects. That's why I don't think they're minor.

btw I'm not living in america or europe as you might think. ^^ and it's still 4.26 pm here in my place - SilverSummoner^TaLk 08:26, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

It's not for the article size, it's because thugs, scholars, etc. play a minor role in the game. And we're naming Investigations, and then going on to name each individual investigation too, which is sort of silly. You could add things to Terms, and to Gameplay, too, if they fit. For example, there ought to be a link to Controls under Gameplay. Well anyway it's late here, off to bed. BBL

As for the investigation, the article 'Investigation' is supposed to tell about the purpose of investigation, the reason and yada yada yada... and that page will have link to Interrogation, pickpocketing, which is the 'way' of handling investigation. ^^

For scholars, thugs... well indeed they are minor, but they still have roles in this game. Which is exactly why I put them under Terms. Well unlike wikipedia, in wikia we try to list all available page possible in the navbar. ^^ That way, so the readers who don't know anything bout the game will somehow get the full coverage.. if you know what I mean. ^^ - SilverSummoner^TaLk 16:46, 13 July 2009 (UTC) btw I'm still gonna do some major changes on the navbar~

I still think it should be removed. We could vote on it, but you know, we're like the only people active on this wiki so it'd end up being 1-1.

You think it should be removed just because it's minor and will make the template size bigger? hmm... so what if it's minor? it still counts, though. It's still part of the game and still contribute to the gameplay. Indeed, maybe some links on the template should be removed and replaced. But I don't think we should remove that much... Hell I've been editing wikia for 11 months and those people always make it that way @_@~ - SilverSummoner^TaLk 12:39, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Just forget it. I don't know a damn thing about Final Fantasy so I have absolutely no idea if any of those Terms are minor or not. You made the think collapsible so it doesn't really matter anymore.

I'm getting back to work. They really screwed up the color scheme, wtf. − Elecbullet 19:20, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Re:wat the hell was taht?

"La shai wak'ion motlaq bal kollon momken" is "Nothing is true, everything is permitted" in arabic. Altaïr says it to Al-Mualim when he kills him.--PhantomT1412 15:24, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

well then... if that's the case, it's better to say it in english, no? this is an english wiki after all - SilverSummoner^TaLk 00:30, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

William

File:Ac-william-of-montferrat.jpg

William

Really quick, this isn't worthy of a forum thread so I'll quickly explain.

William of Montferrat, and all assassination targets, are in fact secretly Templars.

But William has the armor of a Crusader. Crusaders have the lion emblem on them. You can see the emblem in the pic of William. Their red color can be mistaken for that of a Templar, but crusaders are not necessarily Templars.

P.S. You might consider deleting all the above topics they are quite... imposing - Elecbullet 07:57, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

P.P.S. That edit you made to Flags had only a minor difference in display normal monitors, and makes it look very odd on big monitors like mine. Unfortunately, because of this, the center alignment isn't so good. Sorry. - Elecbullet 08:15, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

RE: auto-refresh recent changes

Done. You may have to clear your browser cache (Ctrl+F5) for it to go into effect. JoePlay (talk) 18:59, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

FFwiki-Armageddon11

Being as you are on FFwiki, I was wondering, do you know someone called Armageddon11? He's banned for a whole year? He just so happens to live up the road from me.Dinomino21 10:24, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

yeah, I know him. ^^ I my self wasn't really clear bout what happened, but it's true that he's banned for a whole year for some little misunderstanding between him and the wikia staff. I don't know if the problem's solved already or not, though~ - SilverSummoner^TaLk 14:28, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

No, he's still fighhting to be unbanned. He made a petition of the FFwiki for people to sign and he keeps nagging me to sign it. But I don't want a remake of some thing that happened with me and him on Zeldapedia so I dont want to edit there. Any help/advice?--Dinomino21 19:59, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Well... as far as I know it, the one who start the petition is another user called Exdeath64~ ^^. And no, I don't have any advice for you though.. I didn't know about the whole thing very clearly. (I'm losing my wikiJaguar senses... @.@) - SilverSummoner^TaLk 02:27, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Really? Exdeath made it? He said he aeit, thogh I do realise he is known for lyingDinomino21

"Assassins Creed" Anything

Come on man, quit it. This is wholly unnecessary.

If you're going to continue imposing your will on this Wikia you might as well make it comprehensible and put "AC1 ____" instead of "Assassins Creed _____". Everything is going to be in Assassins Creed, it just depends on which game.

First thing first : I am a girl, mind you.

I'm not agree that this is wholly unnecessary. Proper Categorizing is important in wikia for easy maintenance. I believe this is my 3rd time telling you this, and I see that no one but you complaining bout it. If we want to make this wiki looks good, categorization is important as well as the article quality.

putting "AC1 ____" isn't a good idea, I think. Abbreviations tend to be more confusing. (unless for template of course) - SilverSummoner^TaLk 14:50, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

You're a girl. And? I'm not arguing that proper/necessary categorizing is "important in wikia for easy maintenance." That's what we're both trying to convince each other of. What I see here is not proper categorizing as you are trying to defend, but overkill categorization. There may be no other members voicing their opinions in conjunction with mine but I don't see any helping you out either. Even you said almost nobody comes here so we'd be hard pressed to find someone else with an opinion. Other game wikias may very well be organized by game, but for a series as small as Assassins Creed I really don't think it necessary, and I don't think I will be until it grows a lot more. Either way you will stop making decisions for the rest of us.

I'm a girl so please don't use the term "man". Can't you see that?

Overkill? Which part of it is so overkill? Okae so other wikias have very neat organization so why can't we? Just because AC is a small game and all? What makes you so sure that there won't be AC3, AC4, and such? Are you part of the developer team or what?

"Either way you will stop making decisions for the rest of us."

Lol wut? Before you came to and "voiced" your opinion, I worked together with Elecbullet and do quite some stuff. And, at least I'm editing in this wiki and not just complaining bout categories.

And please sign your post with four tildes, please. - SilverSummoner^TaLk 21:49, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

...I have to say that was a bit of a stunning revelation above about you. Elecbullet 22:42, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

What revelation? That I'm a girl?

Anyway, I have something to discuss with you~ I think we need a fixed Manual of Style for this wiki, no? I have some rough ideas in mind, but I'd like to listen to yours first :D C'mon, what say you? - SilverSummoner^TaLk 03:13, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

...Yeah. Anyway, as for the manual of style... If this is about the disagreement between "Characters" and "Assassin's Creed Characters" then I really don't know. I guess I lean toward your opinion. I agree that we should distinguish between characters from AC1 and AC2, but I don't know about the current setup. Maybe instead we should split categories like Assassin's Creed Assassins into Category:Assassins and Category:Assassin's Creed characters.

On the subject of the Manual of Style, I want to point something out. I noticed that you've moved some pages for capitalization (e.g. Social stealth to Social Stealth). You're not really supposed to do that.

...And now, as always occurs when we get into these disagreements, we're both going to go check our respective favorite peer wikis to see how they do it. So I'll start off- World of Warcraft Wiki (THE biggest Wikia wiki^source) does it that way, and so does Wikipedia, although I realize that Wikia isn't Wikipedia. I just wanted to point this out. Thanks. Elecbullet 22:19, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

UPDATE: Whoops! Forgot to put a colon in my links to category pages. Fixed. - Elecbullet 22:21, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Well as for the category matters, I think that one is a good idea though ^^. Darn, I should've think about it earlier >_>

For this matter though, I'm not referring to any wikia. Instead, I just remembered about what my English teaccher says bout title. "The first letter in every word of a title must be capitalized, except for words like in, or, on, the, of, etc." :D Now that I check FFWiki and all those biggest wiki, All wikia (saves the Vintage sewing pattern wiki) except for WOWWiki, Memory Alpha Wiki, Memory Beta Wiki (btw they're not really consistent bout caiptalization so I'm not really sure :P), and Psychology wiki, they utilize the capitalization in the same manner ^^ (Social Stealth instead of Social stealth). I dunno, maybe we should play rock-paper-scissors to make decision. - SilverSummoner^TaLk 02:55, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Malik page

Hey man (or woman if you prefer, despite it being only colloquial), check out the edit by an anonymous user on Malik's page. Says it's rumored Malik uses the Piece of Eden to restore his amputated arm. I was thinking of deleting it but I thought to check around first.

Weapons: Medicine

Hey, check out the weapons page (http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Weapons) and all the weapons from AC2 have been added. However, some of the things aren't weapons and the Medicine topic was recently edited (which I fixed up a little) saying that medicine could be bought from shops or doctors. I didn't delete this because I didn't know if it was true or not. After doing some research (Google that is) I didn't find anything that concurred with what the anonymous poster wrote. You know anything about this? If not let's delete it and maybe move non-weaponry things to a new category. Oddsock 19:45, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for the uber late reply, ^^; I was in holiday so.. yeah~. Anyway, I've checked the page, and after some quick search, I found that it's true that Ezio can heal himself via doctor on the streets, but not sure bout the medicine~ =/ well I think it's better to leave it there first, but if you wanna delete it, I won't stop you though ^^ - SilverSummoner^TaLk 10:43, September 16, 2009 (UTC)